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Comcast said on Monday that file transfers on peer-to-peer networks such as BitTorrent may be delayed by bandwidth management technology, but it denied blocking access to any applications or content.
As the second-largest high-speed Internet provider in the United States with 11 million customers, any move by Comcast to favor or block certain types of content moving over its network would be extremely controversial as it would be seen as flouting "Net neutrality."
Net neutrality is the principle of allowing all content that flows over an Internet service provider's network to be treated equally without any preference. Although it is not law, it is supported by a wide range of pressure groups and businesses concerned that ISPs will start charging to prioritize the delivery of users' content.
The Associated Press reported Friday that it had carried out experiments across the country proving that Comcast prevented some users from uploading content to peer-to-peer networks, including BitTorrent.
Such networks are used by consumers to share large quantities of files such as music, videos and photographs.
Comcast issued a statement on Monday that again refuted allegations that it controls what content flows over its network, but said it manages its bandwidth to provide the best possible experience for its customers.
"Comcast does not block access to any Web sites or online applications, including peer-to-peer services like BitTorrent," the company said.
Comcast said its Internet access service allows the transfer of digital files via services including peer-to-peer services, as well as Internet-based phone networks like Vonage Holdings without any hindrance.
But the company confirmed its bandwidth management technologies may slow a peer-to-peer service as part of a technique known in the industry as bandwidth shaping, which is the targeted constraining of delivery pipes. This could delay the delivery of a file but not block it.
For example, the technology could prioritize telephone calls over movie downloads.
"We have a responsibility to provide all of our customers with a good Internet experience and we use the latest technologies to manage our network so that they can continue to enjoy these applications," the company's statement said.
Comcast has repeatedly denied it is favoring any content or data flowing over its network.
Over several weeks, users on various blogs have accused the company of preventing users uploading content to BitTorrent.
Narus, which supplies network intelligence software to Internet service providers, said the ISPs are left with little choice but to constrain certain use of their network as a disproportionate amount of bandwidth is being taken up by a relatively small number of peer-to-peer users who are exchanging large files such as movies.
Up to 60 percent of bandwidth is used by peer-to-peer networks on some ISPs, according to Steve Bannerman, vice president of marketing product management at Narus, a supplier of network intelligence software to ISPs, including AT&T, but not Comcast.
"U.S. ISPs are not preventing anybody from getting to the applications, but they are preventing some users of P2P services from hogging all the bandwidth and slowing down the experience for other users," Bannerman added.
Story Copyright © 2007 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved.
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Does anyone here think this is fair? 
I use Shareaza to download many things of which I won’t mention here. 
I feel if you pay the bill, you have just as much rights as the other guy down the block. 
My Comcast service only slows down at the 5 PM range when all those people are sending there last minute E-mails and rushing out of work. Maybe they should slow down the E-mail at 5 PM so I can get the bandwidth to download my music and movies in time to see them after dinner and get to bed by 10 PM. Then I’ll get to work on time so I can get my E-mails out in the morning and talk about the movie at lunch. 
Rolo......
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Re: Bandwidth management?
« Reply #1 on: Oct 22nd, 2007, 8:21pm » |
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No, but I think it's impossible to read without proper paragraph breaks (full blank lines in between).
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« Reply #2 on: Oct 22nd, 2007, 8:30pm » |
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on Oct 22nd, 2007, 8:21pm, Brewcrew wrote:
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Thanks Brew, I just pasted and it lost the spacing.
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« Reply #3 on: Oct 22nd, 2007, 9:21pm » |
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Hey Rolo,
How much are they slowing your downloads down by? Do you have Gb/sec numbers from before and after?
Comcast is currently walking a tightrope. Verizon is breathing down their necks up in the NE area with a new optical service offering that is eventually going to eclipse their current network performance and, in the process, eat their lunch. Competition is a good thing.
Comcast doesn't invest in network equipment without a very good reason. Their customer base has been bitching for long time about bandwidth bottlenecks that Comcast attributes (right or wrong) to P2P networks. In the interest of not chasing their customers away they are looking for creative ways to solve the problem. Initially they just kicked off high bandwidth customers. This wasn't good for PR.
From what I understand, their new tack is to deploy Network accelerators which classify and shape network traffic to enhance the customer experience. They do work. I've seen them deployed in corporate networks.
Personally I know if I'm using Remote Desktop on a machine back at the office, chatting or using VOIP and my sessions are getting clobbered by somebody's porn or illegal movie downloads I don't have much sympathy. I don't care what anyone does with their own bandwidth, so long as I get mine too
In reality though, traffic shaping isn't the problem. Its really that the limits of Comcast's aging network are being overrun by our seemingly insatiable appitite for video and other high bandwidth applications. Packet accelerators are cheaper than going fiber to the home.
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« Reply #4 on: Oct 22nd, 2007, 9:27pm » |
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"Download Faster: Comcast High-Speed Internet now has PowerBoost(tm)"
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« Reply #5 on: Oct 22nd, 2007, 10:08pm » |
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I think they should be spending their time and resources figuring out ways to expand these pipelines and bring better service to all of their customers. And then allow other companies to do the same and encourage real competition between them (instead of adding some TurboBoost and charging more money for it). Competition will cause the REAL fair price to be offered to consumers.
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i had fios(fiber to the house) from verizon in my last house i really wish i would not have moved. what would take me about a day to download using a bit torrent then takes me about 4-5 days now with comcast.needless to say i have about 750gb of movies, music, and software. i have noticed about 2 miles from my house on the main road the 3rd party contractor that installs the fiber has been working so hopefully soon. i do agree that it is bull if they are limiting bandwidth but cable is becoming obsolete, you can only have so many services on a main cable line before it starts to get bogged down.
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« Reply #7 on: Oct 23rd, 2007, 11:51pm » |
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Yup.... I've been REALLY fed up with our Comcast service lately. They just all around suck IMHO.
I actually had faster service with the "slower" Verizon DSL connection I had before (and about a third of the price of Comcast). Trying to talk my roomate (who has the bills and stuff in his name) into getting DSL, but he's afraid his cable tv bill will skyrocket then. Sux that comcast is the only cable provider in our area! Maybe it's time to get a dish..... Had great experience with that in the past too.
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« Reply #8 on: Oct 24th, 2007, 5:43pm » |
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I think the 5 PM slowdown is there DNS and POP dinosaurs!
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on Oct 24th, 2007, 5:49pm, JenniferD wrote:See Johnny run. Run Johnny run. See Spike play. Play Spike Play. See Mary skip. Skip Mary skip.
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DNS = Domain name server (simplified; translates www into the IP address of the server you want to go to).
POP = Post office protocal (simplified; the computer that stores and sends your Email).
Do you understand now darling? 
Do I now need to explain IP too?
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It's 5 PM and the pages are loading slow but the speed test shows normal. 
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ok, and these lettered squares that read asdfghjkl;' <--- what does that spell?
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That spells; hit any key and replace the operator. 
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« Reply #14 on: Oct 24th, 2007, 6:29pm » |
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Is this any good?
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on Oct 24th, 2007, 6:29pm, Jonny wrote:Is this any good?
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Hell ya, are you paying for power boost? Also does it seem to slow down at 5 PM?
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Hell ya, are you paying for power boost? Also does it seem to slow down at 5 PM?
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No, but the only slow site I visit is this site. sometimes 20 seconds to load a page.
DJ once told me that there are so many posts on this site that the search hardly works.
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on Oct 24th, 2007, 6:54pm, Jonny wrote:
No, but the only slow site I visit is this site. sometimes 20 seconds to load a page.
DJ once told me that there are so many posts on this site that the search hardly works.
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Same here Bro, search never works and Deej confirmed it by PM. I don’t complain thou because this site is so much more than the sever it resides on and the network that supports it!
I get a general slowdown on all my computers at the 5-6 PM range also.
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on Oct 22nd, 2007, 9:27pm, Jonny wrote:"Download Faster: Comcast High-Speed Internet now has PowerBoost(tm)"
Yeah, but it cost you more a month for it....what a fucking rip off!!!!
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Shit whe got into our apt and the landlord pays for the cable, but we got the internet and brought a modem that we brought from Vegas that we bought from Cox. We got the Power boost. Yeah right. Did nt do shit to help at all. And suddenly my bill doubled last month. Shaun called and they said we wher eon a promotion and that it was over. Also, we found out that they have been charging us for the past 8 months for modem rental. We are getting a credit on our account.
Comcast its CrapTastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hmmmm Cable...
on Oct 24th, 2007, 6:29pm, Jonny wrote:
on Oct 24th, 2007, 8:00pm, DennisM1045 wrote:
on Oct 26th, 2007, 9:58am, ski2k wrote:
Versus DSL
Well, at least I'm not still stuck at 26.4k dial up. 
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Mike, I too have DSL, it's only 100Mbps and here were my results...
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Make no mistake about it... Comcast is not doing this to improve service.
They are doing this to quietly begin enforcing 'differentiated service levels' on the network.
Example... if Comcast starts offering voice service (they do) and you happen to be using Vonage, you may find your Vonage calls being dropped or degraded because the network will purposely treat it badly since Comcast wants you to *want* their voice service instead of Vonage.
So, right now they tell you 'oh, it's to improve your service because of all the nasty porn that clogs up the pipes'. BULL SHIT.
What they want is to put up barriers to competition on their network, and drive customers to 'better' services that are only 'better' because they purposely make the other services (independent of Comcast) worse.
very simple
So, if you sit back and take this shit now because it 'doesn't affect you', you will be sorry later.
You may have heard of a thing called 'net neutrality'. This is the de-facto way the network operates today. Unless congress does something to protect net neutrality (like prohibit this kind of anti-competitive behavior by the network providers) we are all going to see a major change in the way our network works, and how much you pay to use it. In fact, you WILL pay much more for services that will be no better (probably worse) than today.
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