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XP SP3, Vista SP1 and Windows Server 2008 RC0 – A
« on: Sep 8th, 2007, 3:18pm » |
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XP SP3, Vista SP1 and Windows Server 2008 RC0 – Available for Download! - Next week
http://www.joejoe.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=11494&pid=136993& ;st=0&#entry136993
This will affect 96% of the computers out their
Windows Vista And Windows Server 08 will affect almost all companies in the next 12-24 months including forums and websites webhosts ecommerce sites and other services online
I'm not sure if these service pack BETAS will cause me trouble or save me time
but the change to windows vista (office 2007) and windows server 08 will be a good thing 
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Re: XP SP3, Vista SP1 and Windows Server 200
« Reply #1 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 4:32pm » |
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Beta testing is not for most, and should never be done on your main system unless you like living on the edge.
I admit it is satisfying finding a bug, posting it to the tracker and working with the developer to test their fix. This year I haven't done any at all. Good thing I only have to wait 6 months for an upgrade to go final 
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Re: XP SP3, Vista SP1 and Windows Server 200
« Reply #2 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 4:38pm » |
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wait for the final versions is my advice here
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Re: XP SP3, Vista SP1 and Windows Server 200
« Reply #3 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 7:05pm » |
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on Sep 8th, 2007, 4:38pm, The mad viking wrote:wait for the final versions is my advice here
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the final version is not any safer than the public beta people had problems with sp2 long after it reached rtm the final service pack is at most 3-8 weeks away
The only reason it would be a PUBLIC beta is that it is safe enough for the general public to test and hopefully uninstall if any issues
if your on vista system restore works well
your system should be able to run virtual machines if you don't think its safe
and business and ultimate have great backup and restore features
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.ms px
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Re: XP SP3, Vista SP1 and Windows Server 200
« Reply #4 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 10:07pm » |
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on Sep 8th, 2007, 7:05pm, MvT wrote:
the final version is not any safer than the public beta people had problems with sp2 long after it reached rtm the final service pack is at most 3-8 weeks away
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So what is said is really true. "The world is Microsoft's beta testers" How do you people put up with that?
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Re: XP SP3, Vista SP1 and Windows Server 200
« Reply #5 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 10:38pm » |
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on Sep 8th, 2007, 7:05pm, MvT wrote:
The only reason it would be a PUBLIC beta is that it is safe enough for the general public to test and hopefully uninstall if any issues
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Vista is Beta. Lets not even get into how the DRM screws up the file system. Or all the other problems with it. Safe it is not.
SP3 won't be out officially until the Spring of 08. Although you can get it now if you wish.
MS is on 90% of the PCs in the US.
MS server products (any version) is on 29.3% of the servers. Down from 37% in recent years.
Don't go throwing out that 96% figure. It only exists in your head, and the marketing department of Microsoft.
The longest running server at www.microsoft.com had to be rebooted on Aug 28 2007. Its the one running Server 2008/IIS7.0 at 207.46.193.254. If you care to look. The other nine servers there haven't lasted that long.
The poor ethical behavior of a so called professional advising users to run Beta products on their home systems, is between you and yer maker.
And yes, as a matter of fact I have been writing bytecode since before you were born. So don't even go there.
I'll let it rest here, and not list the rest of your deficiencies in your chosen field of endeavor.
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« Reply #6 on: Sep 8th, 2007, 11:44pm » |
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Having the "general public" BETA test any OS, or service pack before it's ready for general release, and then hopefully uninstall if there are any issues is irresponsible at best. The general public doesn't have the skills needed to know what to do to deal with the inevitable problems that come with beta testing.
And Microsoft support? It doesn't exist. Good Luck.
Svenn, you are right. Wait for the SP. I've got ultimate on this laptop, and I'll be testing SP1. But I know what it means. Then I'll decide whether to keep it or install XP Pro 64 bit on this machine. Or, I'll change it to Fedora. We'll see.
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Re: XP SP3, Vista SP1 and Windows Server 200
« Reply #7 on: Sep 9th, 2007, 12:02am » |
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on Sep 8th, 2007, 7:05pm, MvT wrote:
the final version is not any safer than the public beta people had problems with sp2 long after it reached rtm the final service pack is at most 3-8 weeks away |
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All of our updates and service packs are safe. The only reason there are problems are because people run software that wasn't written by Microsoft.
Despite that remark MvT, I still like you. If you need an MCSE let me know. Even though they are not worth the paper they are printed on.
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Re: XP SP3, Vista SP1 and Windows Server 200
« Reply #8 on: Sep 9th, 2007, 1:03am » |
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By the way Bill. Thanks for lunch at the OSCON Convention. Nice to see you every now and then.
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Re: XP SP3, Vista SP1 and Windows Server 200
« Reply #9 on: Sep 9th, 2007, 1:06am » |
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I love this Gates guy.....always good for a laugh....LOL 
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Re: XP SP3, Vista SP1 and Windows Server 200
« Reply #10 on: Sep 9th, 2007, 2:05am » |
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on Sep 9th, 2007, 1:06am, Jonny wrote:| I love this Gates guy.....always good for a laugh....LOL |
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« Reply #11 on: Sep 9th, 2007, 10:48am » |
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on Sep 9th, 2007, 12:02am, Bill Gates wrote:
All of our updates and service packs are safe. The only reason there are problems are because people run software that wasn't written by Microsoft.
Despite that remark MvT, I still like you. If you need an MCSE let me know. Even though they are not worth the paper they are printed on.
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microsoft offered some free msce courses but I did not feel like looking for a place in hamilton or mississagua to take the test....they use to test here owell....
thanks for the offer
I also feel that the updates and service packs are safe but most people are not sure after sp2.....
there are lots of linux fans here that I will not argue with
if something was not working in linux you would blame the user I will do the same bad hardware bad drivers bad end users not really microsofts fault but they could do what apple dose hardware and software and be a monopoly and get sued again......
its not really that the hardware is bad its that people are always causing esd damage they will tell you they do not have a carpet and do not need to be grounded and thats wrong.....
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Re: XP SP3, Vista SP1 and Windows Server 200
« Reply #12 on: Sep 9th, 2007, 12:30pm » |
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Wanna hear a good joke?
I just picked up three Toshiba laptops this week at a really good price for some buddies. Now I knew that I would need to put another gig of memory into them... it is already on the way.
Anyway... these laptops have Vista installed, and come with 512MB of RAM. lolol... you wanna talk about dogs... these thing take like a week to boot up. Closing an app hoses up the screen so bad for about 30 seconds. Try to start an app? In about 20 seconds you might see some action from your double-click.
The poor little HD LED just flashes all fuckin day. You can let it sit idle for an hour and it still is paging to the hard drive... trying to survive.
Vista on half a gig... it is laughable.
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on Sep 9th, 2007, 10:48am, MvT wrote:
if something was not working in linux you would blame the user I will do the same bad hardware bad drivers bad end users not really microsofts fault |
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Wrong MORON. We don't blame the users. We fix the kernel, or the drivers. Its not the users responsibility to make it work. They are after all users, not software engineers. You go ahead and blame the users for your shoddy products. We don't. Those of us who work on BSD and Linux take pride in making a decent system. Microsoft doesn't. History has shown that time and again.
You on the other hand are a lazy, lame A$$ed A+ tech. who wishes to push blame off onto your client base. So just go ahead and keep making excuses. It doesn't fly luser. You are at the very least pitiful.
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Re: XP SP3, Vista SP1 and Windows Server 200
« Reply #14 on: Sep 9th, 2007, 1:48pm » |
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on Sep 9th, 2007, 12:30pm, Lobster wrote:Wanna hear a good joke?
I just picked up three Toshiba laptops this week at a really good price for some buddies. Now I knew that I would need to put another gig of memory into them... it is already on the way.
Anyway... these laptops have Vista installed, and come with 512MB of RAM. lolol... you wanna talk about dogs... these thing take like a week to boot up. Closing an app hoses up the screen so bad for about 30 seconds. Try to start an app? In about 20 seconds you might see some action from your double-click.
The poor little HD LED just flashes all fuckin day. You can let it sit idle for an hour and it still is paging to the hard drive... trying to survive.
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vista runs alright on 512 by itself untill you start trying games or photoshop
it runs better if you downgrade to windows home basic because your hardware is lacking Oems Like dell and Hp toshiba lenovo ect use cheaper parts to keep the prices down try vista on another computer in a store you will see vista is fine on other computers its your computer thats the problem
ready boost usb keys are $35 or less 1gb
you should also be using ecc ram with vista like microsoft suggested
you can adjust your power settings and turn off indexing if you want its your computer.....
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Re: XP SP3, Vista SP1 and Windows Server 200
« Reply #15 on: Sep 9th, 2007, 1:52pm » |
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Hey Wrokk does it go something like this?
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« Reply #16 on: Sep 9th, 2007, 1:57pm » |
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on Sep 9th, 2007, 1:44pm, Kirk wrote:
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Wrong MORON. We don't blame the users. We fix the kernel, or the drivers. Its not the users responsibility to make it work. They are after all users, not software engineers. You go ahead and blame the users for your shoddy products. We don't. Those of us who work on BSD and Linux take pride in making a decent system. Microsoft doesn't. History has shown that time and again.
You on the other hand are a lazy, lame A$$ed A+ tech. who wishes to push blame off onto your client base. So just go ahead and keep making excuses. It doesn't fly luser. You are at the very least pitiful.
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ok maybe you don't but most linux users do.....
yesterday on digg I was reading brother now has linux drivers it still took the user more than 1 hour to set up his printer in linux great for the end user
alot of the time the product works fine but its how the end user has set something up or changed something
or has not grounded themselves or downloaded the wrong driver the list goes on
I still end up fixing it but alot of the time the problem is the end user or like you said shoddy products or drivers
and why should you hafto rewrite drivers thats the manufacturers job
this will go on and on so lets just stop it here please
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« Reply #17 on: Sep 9th, 2007, 4:39pm » |
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on Sep 9th, 2007, 1:48pm, MvT wrote:
vista runs alright on 512 by itself untill you start trying games or photoshop You mean until you try to do anything
it runs better if you downgrade to windows home basic because your hardware is lacking Why should you have to downgrade? The machine was sold with what Microsoft claims is the correct amount of RAM to run the OS, right? Oems Like dell and Hp toshiba lenovo ect use cheaper parts to keep the prices down try vista on another computer in a store you will see vista is fine on other computers its your computer thats the problem So, you mean that the HP laptop I'm using, with Ultimate on it, which I tried at the store before I bought it, which has 2 gigs of RAM, and a 240 gig HD is the problem? That when I used it in the store, the hardware was not cheap hardware, but AFTER I got it home, the hardware turned cheap, and THAT's why it runs slow? It's now my computer's problem?
ready boost usb keys are $35 or less 1gb why should you need to buy one?
you should also be using ecc ram with vista like microsoft suggestedAgain, why would the manufacturer install any hardware that wouldn't run with vista?
you can adjust your power settings and turn off indexing if you want its your computer.Again, why should you have to?.... |
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Vista should never have been released. And as usual, a Microsoft tech claims it the user, or the computer's problem, Not the OS. Par for the course. Tell me, are you a developer specifically for Microsoft? One of the monkeys sitting in a room pounding out code without consulting with what any other monkey is pounding out, then throw the whole mess together and hope it works? Please...
And an hour to set up a printer using linux drivers? Hey Coots, how many days did it take you to get that printer set up using microsoft, and how many error messages did you get saying your Operating system wouldn't run the printer?
And ESD? What do you mean, users don't know they need to be grounded? Why would they? Most users wouldn't be inside their machine changing hardware, or even starting from scratch.
Good one Wrokk. You are exactly right. Even after deleting half the crap off this laptop, it still runs slow. I'll take linux any day.
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« Reply #18 on: Sep 9th, 2007, 4:40pm » |
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on Sep 9th, 2007, 1:57pm, MvT wrote:ok maybe you don't but most linux users do.....
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Digg?, ok turn in your geek card.
on Sep 9th, 2007, 1:57pm, MvT wrote:| I was reading brother now has linux drivers it still took the user more than 1 hour to set up his printer in linux great for the end user |
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You forgot to link the story so I did it for you.
If you read the comments, the reason for the long install time are as follows.
Quote:| Well, I Admit I had no clue on what I was doing and it only took me so long because the instructions mounted the printer as a USB, mine is on the network on a different room over wi-fi and I needed to figure out how to point to it. I'm sure that someone with more knowledge/experience than me, or of connecting the printer locally can get this going in no time. To me 45 minutes from start to finish including research is nothing considering a few DAYS to get the NVIDIA driver the first time. Please don't focus on my inexperience not my lack of knowledge but on the fact that a reputable company like Brother is finally taking Linux Seriously. and I also agree with jbus, if they would have had the instructions right on how to connect to the printer over the network, it might have taking me a lot less. |
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As usual you inflated the the figures by 33%. Please think before spreading FUD on the board.
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Re: rRe: XP SP3, Vista SP1 and Windows Serve
« Reply #19 on: Sep 9th, 2007, 5:24pm » |
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If you read the comments, the reason for the long install time are as follows.
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my mistake this time..... I remember so many stories like this where people claim it took 3 hours or more to install a device that should have taken no longer than 10 mins....
on Sep 9th, 2007, 4:39pm, purpleydog wrote:
And ESD? What do you mean, users don't know they need to be grounded? Why would they? Most users wouldn't be inside their machine changing hardware, or even starting from scratch.
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I am not a Microsoft Technician or Developer
your right end uders should not be inside the computers but they are anyway and how many times do you walk into a computer store or see a dell commercial where no one is grounded and they are touching parts damaging them and those parts go to the customer damaged
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I do not have any problems installing printers on a windows network....
I don't want to sit here and argue every little detail but no matter what os your on it should never take more than 10 mins to install a device
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Re: XP SP3, Vista SP1 and Windows Server 200
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Someone that is posting in this thread sent me a Linux CD and told me it would never overide my windows.......guess what?............I lost EVERTHING on my computer.....EVERY THING!!!!!
Heres what I did with the disk.
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on Sep 9th, 2007, 5:43pm, Jonny wrote:Someone that is posting in this thread sent me a Linux CD and told me it would never overide my windows.......guess what?............I lost EVERTHING on my computer.....EVERY THING!!!!!
Heres what I did with the disk.
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lol you should remove it before you upset the linux fans here or they will never stop....
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on Sep 9th, 2007, 5:43pm, Jonny wrote:Someone that is posting in this thread sent me a Linux CD and told me it would never overide my windows.......guess what?............I lost EVERTHING on my computer.....EVERY THING!!!!!
Heres what I did with the disk.
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lol you should remove it before you upset the linux fans here or they will never stop....
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Why?.......Im the God Damn King here......why should I do shit?
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« Reply #24 on: Sep 9th, 2007, 6:38pm » |
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my mistake this time..... I remember so many stories like this where people claim it took 3 hours or more to install a device that should have taken no longer than 10 mins.... |
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C'mon, get your story straight. I agree though, it shouldn't take more than 10 min to install most devices on any computer, networked or not.
on Sep 9th, 2007, 5:24pm, MvT wrote:
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your right end uders should not be inside the computers but they are anyway and how many times do you walk into a computer store or see a dell commercial where no one is grounded and they are touching parts damaging them and those parts go to the customer damaged |
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Please re-read my post. I said users "wouldn't" be inside their machines, not "shouldn't" be. There is nothing wrong with someone opening up their tower and having a look. Most users wouldn't, they'd have no idea what to look for.
Since you brought up ESD again, let me just say that first of all, Dell, HP, Toshiba, Lenovo, Sony, you name the manufacturer, these workers are grounded while they are working. They are using ESD floor mats, and ESD bench mats. Just because you don't see a wrist strap attached to the people you see in the commercials (and it's just a commercial, do you really think the props in the commercial are being sold?) It doesn't mean they aren't grounded. If you had any idea of the manufacturing process, you'd know this.
The same goes for computer repair. ESD mats on the bench. Plus the pro's know they need to be grounded. Just like I was when I built my 3 machines, and changed hardware out in two of them. I managed very nicely not to blow the MBs. It's not rocket science. Of course, accidents do happen in the course of business, but you can be sure it is by far the exception than the rule. And posting links to youtube is the same as quoting an article out of the Enquirer. Do you really believe aliens have landed?
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