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Anyone see the NOVA special last night
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Re: Anyone see the NOVA special last night
« Reply #1 on: Sep 5th, 2007, 2:49pm » |
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No what did it have to say? Inquiring minds want to know.
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No, I didn't. Was it any good?
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Let me guess. The globe is dimming and warming.
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Re: Anyone see the NOVA special last night
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on Sep 5th, 2007, 4:14pm, Brewcrew wrote:Let me guess. The globe is dimming and warming.
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I thought it was that the planet was not as bright or as cool. Could be wrong.
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Re: Anyone see the NOVA special last night
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on Sep 5th, 2007, 4:34pm, echo wrote:
I thought it was that the planet was not as bright or as cool. Could be wrong. |
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Re: Anyone see the NOVA special last night
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It's global diming you guys. Five people probably put in their two cents about global warming. Altogether, they could only thinly cover the many global aspects in the time allotted yet keeping it from seeming a belittling dime-a-dozen affair but which might nickel-and-dime us with regulations.
no, I didn't see it, but if it was about becoming dim, I've noticed that happening lately with my posts.
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Re: Anyone see the NOVA special last night
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I pray to God Donna comes back soon and gets this thread back on track.
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Re: Anyone see the NOVA special last night
« Reply #8 on: Sep 5th, 2007, 5:11pm » |
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Has anyone seen the email that compares Al Gores house to Bushs house?
The email even asks you to go to snoops.com and see if its real (I havent done that)
Maybe I post it after Donna speaks. 
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Re: Anyone see the NOVA special last night
« Reply #9 on: Sep 5th, 2007, 5:32pm » |
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Jonny - you mean this one?
Al Gore's Personal Energy Use Is His Own "Inconvenient Truth"
Gore's home uses more than 20 times the national average
Last night, Al Gore's global-warming documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, collected an Oscar for best documentary feature, but the Tennessee Center for Policy Research has found that Gore deserves a gold statue for hypocrisy.
Gore's mansion, located in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville, consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES).
In his documentary, the former Vice President calls on Americans to conserve energy by reducing electricity consumption at home.
The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh - more than 20 times the national average.
Last August alone, Gore burned through 22,619 kWh-guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year. As a result of his energy consumption, Gore's average monthly electric bill topped $1,359.
Since the release of An Inconvenient Truth, Gore's energy consumption has increased from an average of 16,200 kWh per month in 2005, to 18,400 kWh per month in 2006.
Gore's extravagant energy use does not stop at his electric bill. Natural gas bills for Gore's mansion and guest house averaged $1,080 per month last year.
"As the spokesman of choice for the global warming movement, Al Gore has to be willing to walk to walk, not just talk the talk, when it comes to home energy use," said Tennessee Center for Policy Research President Drew Johnson.
In total, Gore paid nearly $30,000 in combined electricity and natural gas bills for his Nashville estate in 2006.
SNOPES.COM finds this NOT to be an urban myth.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/gorehome.asp
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Re: Anyone see the NOVA special last night
« Reply #10 on: Sep 5th, 2007, 5:36pm » |
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Or better yet - THIS ONE:
HOUSE # 1:
A 20-room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas. Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house all heated by gas. In ONE MONTH ALONE this mansion consumes more energy than the average American household in an ENTIRE YEAR. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2,400.00 per month. In natural gas alone (which last time we checked was a fossil fuel), this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not in a northern or Midwestern "snow belt," either. It's in the South.
HOUSE # 2:
Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university, this house incorporates every "green" feature current home construction can provide. The house contains only 4,000 square feet (4 bedrooms) and is nestled on arid high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house holds geothermal heat pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground. The water (usually 67 degrees F.) heats the house in winter and cools it in summer. The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas, and it consumes 25% of the electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected water then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Flowers and shrubs native to the area blend the property into the surrounding rural landscape.
HOUSE # 1 (20 room energy guzzling mansion) is outside of Nashville, Tennessee. It is the abode of that renowned environmentalist (and filmmaker) Al Gore.
HOUSE # 2 (model eco-friendly house) is on a ranch near Crawford, Texas. Also known as "the Texas White House," it is the private residence of the President of the United States, George W. Bush.
So whose house is gentler on the environment? Yet another story you WON'T hear on CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC or read about in the New York Times or the Washington Post. Indeed, for Mr. Gore, it's truly "an inconvenient truth."
SNOPES again:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/house.asp
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Re: Anyone see the NOVA special last night
« Reply #11 on: Sep 5th, 2007, 5:48pm » |
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These were the pics in my email.
Gores house.
Bushs house.
With your text, Pat......Nuff said!!!!
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Re: Anyone see the NOVA special last night
« Reply #12 on: Sep 5th, 2007, 6:02pm » |
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on Sep 5th, 2007, 5:32pm, Mosaicwench wrote:| "As the spokesman of choice for the global warming movement, Al Gore has to be willing to walk to walk, not just talk the talk, when it comes to home energy use," said Tennessee Center for Policy Research President Drew Johnson. |
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And I agree, he should be publically addressed on this issue.
However, despite what truth involved, if remarks are made and verified, they should be by a legitimate organization. (the reference from above article).
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according to the Tennessee Department of Revenue, TCPR is "not a legitimate organization."
Funding
The TCPR is a non-profit 501(c)(3) organization but does not disclose the sources of funding on its website.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tennessee_Center_for_Policy_R esearch
John Rodgers, "Dept. of Revenue says conservative think tank 'not a legitimate group'," Nashville, TN's The City Paper Online, February 16, 2007.
(the org. is also in favor of a "crack tax" )
http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/~citypaper/news.php?viewStory=54656
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Re: Anyone see the NOVA special last night
« Reply #13 on: Sep 5th, 2007, 7:15pm » |
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I appologize for a delay in abetting any info here, access to this site was temporarily impaired.
From sourcewatch.org link above:
Quote:| Drew Johnson serves as the center's president, and seeks to bring his public policy experience with Washington-based groups like the National Taxpayers Union and the American Enterprise Institute a little closer to home. |
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A little about this organization...
http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=American_Enterprise_Institute
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In 1980, the American Enterprise Institute for the sum of $25,000 produced a study in support of the tobacco industry titled, Cost-Benefit Analysis of Regulation: Consumer Products.
The report was part of the global tobacco industry's 1980s Social Costs/Social Values Project, carried out to refute emerging social cost arguments against smoking.
(another issue it's involved with raising dubious motivation for involvement)
Casting Doubt on Global Warming
In February 2007, The Guardian (UK) reported that AEI was offering scientists and economists $10,000 each, "to undermine a major climate change report" from the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). AEI asked for "articles that emphasise the shortcomings" of the IPCC report, which "is widely regarded as the most comprehensive review yet of climate change science." AEI visiting scholar Kenneth Green made the $10,000 offer "to scientists in Britain, the US and elsewhere," in a letter describing the IPCC as "resistant to reasonable criticism and dissent." [7]
The Guardian reported further that AEI "has received more than $1.6m from ExxonMobil, and more than 20 of its staff have worked as consultants to the Bush administration. Lee Raymond, a former head of ExxonMobil, is the vice-chairman of AEI's board of trustees," added The Guardian. |
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However Mr. Gore is hypocritical, and besides truth inherently presented, I do not trust the source or motivation of the accusing organizations. Give me another source of info that will seem objective.
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Re: Anyone see the NOVA special last night
« Reply #14 on: Sep 5th, 2007, 8:06pm » |
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Here is what aggravates me about these type of so called "scientifically proven" issues:
First of all, they are NOT proven absolutely. Good theory? Well, sure I guess it is. But since very few of us are climatologists or earth science experts, how the hell would we know anyways.
So far I have seen some "actual" proven facts. These are that one leading global warming scientist recently admitted to falsifying his "findings" His rationale was that he was just so sure he was right and people "needed to see the truth" that he kinda....well...lets say "skewed" the facts.
Think about it people. You are essentially being called a dumbass.
These geniuses know what is better for you...damn the facts. You are just too stupid to look objectively at facts and decide for yourself.
Our own damn Gooberment treats us like this....subjects !!! We know what is best for you, shut up & listen.
It is precisely this type of arrogance I despise !!!
No one seems to question things, they just go with whatever they are told. This is why I write on our Constitution in hopes that someone will give a damn....cept no one seems to.
Remember when Ross Perot debated. The other two had smug little looks on their faces as if to summarily dismiss everything he said...an arrogance I find hideous.
The question is not if Ross is the man for you. He makes some good points that transcend politics. He said "They (the Govt.) work for us, we do not work for them" Hmmmm, what a kool new concept...but I digress.
Heres how a dumb old metalworker looks at this:
You have an apparent problem. You study the problem WITHOUT bias or agenda. You come to an absolute proven conclusion....backed up with scientific PROOF beyond reproach. You take steps to solve said problem. Now, if you got 2 brain cells to rub together, you would see that this rationale is what is called "business problem solving" That is: 1) identify the problem 2) pinpoint the problem 3) systematically eliminate the problem.
So damn simple, a caveman could do it.
You don't run around in a panic. Keep in mind, some scientists are incredibly arrogant. Oh, they have all the answers...don't they. So damn sure T-Rex walked upright, only to later go: OOPS, my bad...guess the big fella walks kinda slouched over. Remember the 60's anti-salt tripe the Gooberment spent millions to sell you. OOPS, well I guess salt in moderation for healthy people is perfectly fine.
Oh my God!!!! Were all gonna die !!! Quick, get in the hybrid, go to your sensitivity class, watch out for s.a.r.s.
Hell, scientists are so smart, they can make a Universe from two turd atoms colliding together from absolute nothingness....yup they got it all figured out.
What I'm trying to say is, we are not being prudent and seldom are. Is it plausible? You bet !!! Is it proven absolutely?...not enough for me to start parroting what internet Al says.
Just my opinion. Feel free to over-react anytime you like, there may be mold spores growing on tree bark near you just waiting to infect you with staccibotris.
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Re: Anyone see the NOVA special last night
« Reply #16 on: Sep 5th, 2007, 9:32pm » |
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on Sep 5th, 2007, 8:06pm, assaultme wrote:| But since very few of us are climatologists or earth science experts, how the hell would we know anyways. |
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By reading a lot, many points of view, and deciding what makes sense.
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You bet Kevin. Thats a good place to start. Glad you use critical thinking, it's in short supply these days.
If I might expound on my statement.....It really doesn't matter if I spend 4 years studying this issue. Meaning a masters degree which is what it takes to have the actual technical insight to fully understand the complexities of earth science. I'm not in charge of this issue.
I have read a little on it and quite frankly, I am not convinced yet. So I guess thats my extent of critical thinking on the subject....jury's out. At the very least, I am objective about it. It does bother me that I see a lot of people in power going around coming to conclusions and demanding we start taking action. This to me is irresponsible.
It really doesn't matter what Dave thinks about it. Dave doesn't decide where you spend you tax dollars. They are spent by irresponsible people. So, it's great if people want to spend time to research this subject, but I don't think it will change the root problem I have just outlined. Just judging by past history.
However, I do like your way of independent thinking. Actually what you said sums up what I would like people to do...think for themselves. I am concerned that it wont change the way the subject is being approached by those who will decide.
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Re: Anyone see the NOVA special last night
« Reply #18 on: Sep 5th, 2007, 10:20pm » |
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on Sep 5th, 2007, 8:29pm, Jonny wrote:
Jonny, thank you for the effort and point made
This one is a blog, an opinion, just like mine or yours.
Quote:They aim to make a mountain out of a mole hill....
So, folks like McIntyre, Fred Singer, Richard Lindzen, Tim Ball, *... and all those around the world including myself who are exposing the flaws in the anthropogenic global warming myth are jesters deceiving the public.
(*notorious oil funded refuters that I know of.)
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Now this man's words I trust, and have no qualms with self-criticism in science.
http://michellemalkin.com/2007/08/09/hot-news-nasa-fixes-flawed-temperat ure-data-1998-was-not-the-warmest-year-in-the-millenium/
Another blog, as in opinion reached from what might be a skewed interest in material read. A small point in the big picture anyway. Like finding a wrong stitch in a quilt. No reason to throw the quilt away.
http://www.norcalblogs.com/watts/2007/08/1998_no_longer_the_hottest_yea. html
Similar, means a certain point could have been gotten wrong upon closer inspection. Doesn't mean it is not happening. Perhaps because it is not proven beyond a doubt yet doesn't mean it is all benign.
I'm not refuting any evidence given, jonny, I just believe we can see water pollution, some air pollution, destruction of rain forests... why is it so hard to believe something is happening on a grander scale, which we can hardly change, but say it is not real.
Thanks jonny for saying something that retains substance but what is the reality? Is it all benign or are we fucking up for profits in pockets and can't change that? Should we find out?
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Kevin's right about AEI and about others hiring "scientists" and others to undermine things that get in the way making fast bucks without conscience. In my 61 years, I've never seen anything like it.
Even the moron occupying 1600 gave up denying that things are getting a bit sticky. Not that it didn't make him and his crew think twice when okaying coal mining by scraping down mountaintops which is the easy way to mine the filthiest of fossil fuels.
It's easy to deny or belittle. It requires no proof and is entertaining to Rush Limbaugh fans.
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on Sep 5th, 2007, 10:14pm, assaultme wrote:| It really doesn't matter if I spend 4 years studying this issue. Meaning a masters degree which is what it takes to have the actual technical insight to fully understand the complexities of earth science. |
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How about 1200 scientists with different masters and PhD's studying and working now on the subject. That's what it takes to put it together, not one person, or a couple with a refuting opinion. The complete picture is being assembled. So far evidence is there is something to it.
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Re: Anyone see the NOVA special last night
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on Sep 5th, 2007, 8:06pm, assaultme wrote:| Hell, scientists are so smart, they can make a Universe from two turd atoms colliding together from absolute nothingness....yup they got it all figured out. |
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That's a new on me. Atoms were formed about 300,00 years after the present theory of universe conception, and could not have formed earlier..
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If you're not part of the solution, there's good money to be made in prolonging the problem.
(Merely a colloquialism, not based in scientific fact, so I'll stay to the sidelines on the intellectual part of this discussion, thank you very much.)
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Ok Kevin. I'm happy that you have this all figured out. I don't pretend to. I am not a scientist. I do see some other scientists saying different. Now I see that it is some kind of political issue for people. That is sad.
I try to be objective. So, the majority say it is so. Thats fine. Don't the other scientists opinions deserve some consideration? Doesn't seem very objective to me to just dismiss the other side.
Like I said, I don't know if it is some real acute problem, some kind of climate change that happens over time or whatever. But I do see people coming to conclusions really quickly when there are still conflicting opinions.
You can believe what you want, I don't have the scientific expertise to refute anything, nor would that have any usefulness. I am trying to say that I think we are not being prudent enough. I don't care which school of thought is right. I am concerned that we may do something hasty tho. That is surely a valid concern. That is my concern, not if some political party proves the other wrong.We have been over reacting and doing hasty things as long as I can remember.
To me, when something is proven conclusively, the other scientist's opinions would no longer have any validity. Jeez, relax guys. Is it not logical to spend a little more time understanding something before we (the Govt.) start fixing it?
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That's a new on me. Atoms were formed about 300,00 years after the present theory of universe conception, and could not have formed earlier..
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