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Re: Fair or not????
« Reply #1 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 11:22am » |
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overreacting..again...I say not..
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Re: Fair or not????
« Reply #2 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 11:25am » |
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School systems use these policies to cover their asses. If they don't have across the board zero tolerance policies, and something happens...they can be sued. It's not about common sense, it's about avoiding lawsuits. 
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Re: Fair or not????
« Reply #3 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 11:30am » |
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Over reaction...
I'm really getting worried about the state of intelect in our public education systems. Hell, the state of the intelect of our country in general.
There is a real lack of intelligent life down here.
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Re: Fair or not????
« Reply #4 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 11:33am » |
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I find it ridiculous that they punish something like this but when the REAL signs are there they seem to do nothing to correct that. For example the last shooting.
A little backwards in my opinion
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Re: Fair or not????
« Reply #5 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 11:48am » |
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NOT fair, in my books ....
What about if he drew a picture of a pretty girl (fully clothed, BTW)? Would he be thrown out for sexual harassment?
Isn't it the same set of circumstances?
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Don't we have something called The Constitution that allows freedom of expression? I am becoming more and more worried about the direction that the US is taking. What next, should the firearms that are carried by the stautes of servicemen on war memorials be removed? Enough is enough; the school officials that suspended the child shoud be sued. 
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Re: Fair or not????
« Reply #7 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 12:55pm » |
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Fox News probably turned the kid in....stupid stupid 
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Re: Fair or not????
« Reply #8 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 1:00pm » |
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All the more reason to home school! I am so fed up with the over-reaching policies of a bunch of knee-jerk liberals that think real problems can be solved by squelching all masculinity exibited by young males. They try to delete any display of testosterone and think by doing that all of the evil people in the world will do the same. It's utter hogwash.
jsut mho.
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Re: Fair or not????
« Reply #9 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 2:16pm » |
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I am trying to look at this from both points of view.First off they never should have compared this kid to the kids who did the Columbine shooting.Five days suspension is strict but they did put it down to three.Most if not all schools have strict rules on what is and is not acceptable behavior and it is written in very specific terms.It is given in the students handbook and many schools discuss things like this in assemblys.It had to be known by the boy and his parents that pictures like this drawn in school while most likely innocent is disciplined with suspension.When most of us went to school there wasn't the school shootings like there arenow.unfortanately we..... the schools,parents,communities and students are made to be on alert for such things.Our schools have drills in case someone fom outside or within the schools do snap and start a shooting spree.The Boy is 13 middle school age not 4 or 5.I believe he should know this is against school policy.
Which do you think is the lesser of two evils.....a 13 year old is suspended for 3 - 5 days for what was most likely a lack in judgement.He goes back and continues
his education with his classmates..the students learn zero tolerance means just that.The other scenario....
school officials are at a news conference asking why when this student was caught with this drawing was he not disciplined as per school policy .They appoligise that students were hurt or God forbid killed by this student.He was suspended nothing more and if it was a innocent drawing he will hopefully be evaluated and life will go on.It will not go on life as normal if kids get through the cracks.
MHo take it as you will,
Minnie really hopes this boy goes on to graduate and have a successful life and can laugh at his suspension as lesson learned.
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Re: Fair or not????
« Reply #10 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 2:36pm » |
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when i think of the stuff i used to doodle and write in notebooks and on desks as a kid....sheesh! had they been as screwy as they are today they'd have put me in a rubber room. as it turns out, i was okay.
I hate that kids can't do anything without it becoming part of their permanent record. It goes against the idea that many of us were raised on of freedom of self expression. I thank every neighborhood cop who caught my friends and I and said, "okay boys dump'em out and get home -- if we see you out again tonight we'll have to take you in". Using today's approach I'd be locked up in jail, penniless and homeless. Instead common sense used to prevail.
sad times to be a kid.
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Re: Fair or not????
« Reply #11 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 2:50pm » |
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Way over done (and blownout of proportion)! This kid was "convicted" of a "crime" with no known cause or show of intent. He may grow up to graduate and be successful, but I doubt that he will laugh at this for a "lesson" learned.
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I still think that the principal way overreacted. Just as there are scenes in great literature containing graphic violence and the WWF and comic books glorify violence, there is no correlation between what one reads or writes and future violent behavior. My brothers, when they were kids, drew pictures that depicted war, killing, horrible monsters-it is a part of growing up, especially for young boys. They grow out of it-both of my brothers are successful and the most gentle men that I know. Violent behavior is learned (from parents, friends, etc.) and even then, most violent people are what are known as anti-social personalities, a condition that starts when a child is young, 4-5 years old (torturing and killing small animals, fire setting, beating up younger children, old people, etc.). This condition is, unfortunately, incurable and the majority of people in prison have this disorder. They do not have a conscience, are self-centered, cannot empathize with the feelings of others and will do virtually anything to get what they want. If someone has a bicycle and the other person wants it, they will take it, using violence to get it. They only show emotion, i.e., crying, when they get caught doing something illegal. Drawing a picture of a gun, in a society where guns are legal and everywhere, is not an indication that the person who drew the gun is or will become a criminal. Behavior is a better determinate of whether or not a child will become a violent criminal. The people who committed the killings at Columbine left behind video tapes, writings and other materials that plainly said what they were going to do and they had been at it for years before they committed their crimes. A bit of common sense is necessary-if the logic of the school official who suspended the boy is carried out to its logical conclusion, then football, soccar, wrestling, boxing, baseball and all other sports that cause injury and encourage aggressiveness should also be banned. Were I the parents of the child, I would sue the pants off the school and its officials-has anyone thought of the emotional damage done to the child who was suspended? Something is rotten when a child is punished so that a school official can cover his ass.
Sorry I went on for so long, but this topic really pisses me off.
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Re: Fair or not????
« Reply #13 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 3:04pm » |
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WTF is next? Suspending 6-7 year olds for playing tag because you have to touch someone?
Gimme a fucking break (Sorry, this got my Irish up!) 
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Re: Fair or not????
« Reply #14 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 3:06pm » |
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What would happen if a teacher heard part of a conversation that went like this.
"I shot him right in the heart and had to follow him for a mile till I finially caught up and had to cut his throat."
then the teacher left in a hurry to get some help to have a 10 year old arrested?
Should that child be arrested, suspended, expelled, or exicuted?
ponder this and i will give the rest later.
sometimes though things are not as they seem.
only use that context right now because that is all the administrators will use and no explination.
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Re: Fair or not????
« Reply #15 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 3:14pm » |
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on Aug 23rd, 2007, 3:06pm, Ghost wrote:What would happen if a teacher heard part of a conversation that went like this.
"I shot him right in the heart and had to follow him for a mile till I finially caught up and had to cut his throat."
then the teacher left in a hurry to get some help to have a 10 year old arrested?
Should that child be arrested, suspended, expelled, or exicuted?
ponder this and i will give the rest later.
sometimes though things are not as they seem.
only use that context right now because that is all the administrators will use and no explination.
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Re: Fair or not????
« Reply #16 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 3:15pm » |
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He was not convicted he was suspended for three days.He did violate school district policy.Whoever got this as front page news so the whole area to know the kid did something harmless but non the less against the schools written policy which to suspend him would have be a written policy.If you ask 100 -13 year olds all over the country if drawing a picture such as this in school is against school policy and will result in some sort of discipline, I believe at least 90 % would Know that it is.Has worse things been done in school hell yes.will worse be done in school...hell yes.But my opinion is still that this boy knew the rules did what he wanted anyways and now he doesn't want to follow through with the discipline.Did he do a major crime hell no did he get convicted hell no he got suspended I'm sure many of us on the board have been suspended and survived,as will this kid.Too bad the whole thing got blown out of perportion.Three days of getting out of school for drawing a picture.....OOOHHH we all should be "convicted like that"
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Did the school system ban or burn any text books that had the word gun printed in them? Pictures of soldures holding guns? What's next suspension for thought?
I'm sure the school board will use this to raise taxes so they can install metal detectors and hire police to be on duty 24x7 in the hallways.
The public school system in the US is fucked up and it started back in the late 50's early 60's.
Home school!
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Re: Fair or not????
« Reply #18 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 3:20pm » |
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Home schooling is all very well but not everyone can afford to have one parent stay home and not earn and quite simply, you still have to pay the bloody taxes.
Its time people shouted back that they aren't happy and enough is enough.
Bring back formal education and stop increasing the level of stupidity.
Its got to the point where kids don't have to think as everyone idiot proofs them too much.
The day when McDonalds were sued for selling hot coffee was proof of that.
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Re: Fair or not????
« Reply #19 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 3:26pm » |
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An entire nation of home schooled kids will result in adults who've never had to learn to take turns, share, resolve peer conflicts or think about the other side of an issue from the families' beliefs.
Thank you, no.
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Re: Fair or not????
« Reply #20 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 3:30pm » |
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Weather he was convicted or suspended, judgment was passed with no real crime, altercation, bad intent shown or supposed. I doubt that most kids would realize that a simple picture of a gun could get them suspended. If that is the case, it makers me more glad that I never had kids. I would have bought my lawyer 2 cars by now.
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Re: Fair or not????
« Reply #21 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 3:31pm » |
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I agree completely with the points above me from Helen and Nani!!!
My son is who he is (and that is a great man) due largely to his public school education in Indiana.
Parents need to re-assert control over their respective Boards of ED.
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Re: Fair or not????
« Reply #22 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 3:38pm » |
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thats my point nowhere in the policy does it specifically say the kids cannot draw a gun it is implied or at the teachers descresion(sp) it does say they they cannot speak graphically or draw pictures of killing. does not specify human or animal. it also does not say a student cant say the word gun, by there definition just mentioning it is an automatic CONVICTION 3 days suspension is a conviction once it is carried out. if a art teacher has the students draw a still life of there favorite subject and they did not specify what to draw and a student drew a gun would that be grounds to suspend for 3 days?
I want to know how far they will take convicting kids for what is quite literally harmless things.
to concide a point if the gun was shooting at a teacher or student or even a person then the parents should be notified and if the student admits it was meant as a threat or the administration hears the evidence both sides and determines it a threat or a possible threat then there should be disiplinary action taken. there was no imidiate danger and procedures should be established to determine if something that is not an imidiate danger to students or staff should be handled in a disiplanary manner or not. just to convict a child for drawing a harmless picture (yes even a gun is harmless) and administrating disipline(ie 3 days suspension) could be considered a violation of that persons constitutional rights.
why should a child of any age be afraid to doodle draw or be creative? He was NO threat!
sorry for the reant ... and seasonal you have the answer to that correct. a student in my sons school was expelled for that and later was reenstated once the parents got a lawyer and had a chance to give th rest of the story, which was what he was telling his buddies about his deer hunting trip and the teacher caught only that small part and freaked out.
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Re: Fair or not????
« Reply #23 on: Aug 23rd, 2007, 8:06pm » |
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God!. I killed people, blew up stuff and shot down whole airforces on every notebook page. Good fun too.
Over-reaction from here. Talk to the kid to be sure where it came from. Suspension is ridiculous and this kind of reaction doesn't work. I can't help noticing the kinds of guns kids like...I drew Colt peacemakers, Winchesters, and Davy Crockett's Ole Betsy...a different time.
Home schooling: Bad all the way around. Not a healthy thing for the kids. Kids need some exposure to the real world. Religious types like it of course. After all; you have to make sure they think "The Flintstones" is a documentary.
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Re: Fair or not????
« Reply #24 on: Aug 24th, 2007, 11:09pm » |
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MONDAY: Teacher gets shot in the head by student and dies. Makes front page news.
TUESDAY: Investigation begins and it was found killer student had been caught drawing pictures of guns. School looked the other way.
WEDNESDAY: After investigation is released, there is public outcry and damand for explanation why nothing was done prior to the tragic event.
THURSDAY: Lawyers for deceased teacher begins lawsuit on school district for failure to reprimand and councel child on psychotic behavior.
FRIDAY: Funeral for the deceased victim as town mourns the loss of teacher and just can't understand how this could happen..
Obviously this is extreme, but the point is, rules are in place for a reason. Follow the rules and you won't get suspended.
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