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Re: How awsome is this!!!!!
« Reply #1 on: Aug 12th, 2007, 9:51pm » |
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I'd say very awesome
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Re: How awsome is this!!!!!
« Reply #2 on: Aug 12th, 2007, 10:25pm » |
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Energy crisis solved and also a step to calm the "global warming" crisis.
I can see big oil trying to stop this from actually getting into a testing phase.
I want to see who steps up to purchase his idea.
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Re: How awesome is this!!!!!
« Reply #3 on: Aug 12th, 2007, 10:50pm » |
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you can pretty much tell already that this is being held hush hush. It should be on every news station out there. 
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« Reply #4 on: Aug 12th, 2007, 11:15pm » |
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the big question- is the power for generation of the RF waves used to burn the salt water less than the amount of energy produced? Is there a net gain of energy? I kinda doubt it or else it really would be all over the news.
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Re: How awesome is this!!!!!
« Reply #5 on: Aug 12th, 2007, 11:40pm » |
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The problem is, it hasnt really been tested. Scientists are still dumbfounded. You raise a good point, however I'm sure they can built something that would be efficient.
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« Reply #6 on: Aug 13th, 2007, 6:43am » |
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Re: How awesome is this!!!!!
« Reply #7 on: Aug 13th, 2007, 9:20am » |
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Complete and utter Bull Shit!!!! I've never seen a hype worse than that! 
So John Kanzius "Invented Radio-Wave Generator" as one caption reads. I just wonder where all the radio, television, handy, radar and microwave signals were coming from since the first experiments of Marconi (1895).
Water and the salts dissolved are at their lowest energy state, there is no way to burn them (and gain energy).
Of course you can hydrolyze the water and use the resulting hydrogen as fuel.
But that is not for free. This chap is using a radio frequency generator, presumably powered by electricity from a stinking coal-fired power plant. The overall efficiency of this setup falls way short of the modern gasoline or Diesel motor.
A better way to get hydrogen from water is electrolysis (remember the sixth grade physics lesson?).
BTW, The Sterling engine shown in the movie is not first choice if you are looking for efficiency.
BTW2, Inquiring minds would like to know the frequency range best suited to get 'free' fuel and for cancer therapy. But it looks like Kanzius doesn't know nor care.
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Re: How awesome is this!!!!!
« Reply #8 on: Aug 13th, 2007, 11:05am » |
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did somebody shit in your conflakes lol. This guy happened to stumble upon something that people didn't think was possible. He's not saying that he has invented an effecient replacement for the current motors but hell, it's a hell of a start. I respect your opinion but who are we to criticize somebody taking the time to try and figure out a cure for cancer! God bless him!
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Re: How awesome is this!!!!!
« Reply #9 on: Aug 13th, 2007, 4:51pm » |
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I'm witl cuddles.
Too easy and would take more energy to produce than create if I remember. This has been around the pike before.
What's the name of the bullshit site? Might be fun
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Re: How awesome is this!!!!!
« Reply #10 on: Aug 13th, 2007, 6:55pm » |
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Nobody shat in my cornflakes, I don't eat that stuff anyway.
I'm just using common knowledge and common sense to debunk a charlatan who could be a cousin of Ali.
Long before Kanzius (re)invented the radio-wave generator electromagnetic radiation of all sorts have been used in the medical field; from simple heating of inflamed tissue to Lasik eye surgery.
I'm sure, lots of real researchers have looked into treating cancer cell with radio frequencies, but without success as far as I know. Every amateur scientist should first search the literature for what others have done on the subject in question. Then look into energy amount needed to kill a cancer cell and how to apply it. Using this makeshift setup he can at best hope to invent a very expensive water heater, but it's certainly not the start to look for a cancer cure.
His hydrogen 'discovery' is not "a hell of a start", but the highly inefficient dead-end street of an ignorant. Hydrogen as a clean alternative to gasoline has been investigated (and used) for a long time. The problem is the bulk and weight of the storage tank. But only someone who has lost all his marbles would chose the detour over a radio frequency generator to produce hydrogen.
The reason this movie is not on every news station out there is very simple: It takes the most dumbfounded TV-journalist, totally ignorant in scientific matters, to construe such senseless garbage into a sensational filler for the pauses between commercials. Luckily, most news station out there have some people able to look beyond the tip of their nose.
"The problem is, it hasn't really been tested", because the dumbfounded scientists believe in the Second Law Of Thermodynamics. It's version for dummies reads: The Perpetual Motion Machine does not exist.
PS: Charlie, I don't have the desire to cuddle with you, I'm an old geezer myself, LOL.
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Re: How awesome is this!!!!!
« Reply #11 on: Aug 13th, 2007, 8:29pm » |
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on Aug 13th, 2007, 6:55pm, AlienSpaceGuy wrote:"The problem is, it hasn't really been tested", because the dumbfounded scientists believe in the Second Law Of Thermodynamics. It's version for dummies reads: The Perpetual Motion Machine does not exist.
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I don't think it's supposed to be a perpetual motion machine, or energy from nothing. The idea that pulls people in and makes them wonder is that maybe there is potential energy in the salt water, like the H or the O, that can be tapped into kinetic easily? Like with fossil fuels. Appears to be false.
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Re: How awesome is this!!!!!
« Reply #12 on: Aug 13th, 2007, 8:39pm » |
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I don't know anything about anything scientific, but I do know this.
If Ueli says something...I listen.
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Re: How awesome is this!!!!!
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What I wonder is, if the salt is doing this than why doesn't the salt in his body do the same thing (when he puts his hand in the beam)? Maybe because there are no free water molecules in contact with the sodium in the body (I am guessing).
The process seems safe enough for personal use with proper RF shielding of course.
This looks very promising to me as a way to convert Hydrogen directly for combustion in a regular internal combustion engine. The question therefore is how much electricity is necessary to start and continue the process.
I find this amazing and with no expensive catalysts involved in the process.
Roland. 
PS; there is plenty of room in the trunk for a microwave oven! 
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Re: How awesome is this!!!!!
« Reply #14 on: Aug 13th, 2007, 9:17pm » |
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Alien,
whatever the answer may be, I still find it pretty amazing that he was able to set a test tube of salt water on fire regardless of anything else!
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Re: How awesome is this!!!!!
« Reply #15 on: Aug 13th, 2007, 9:34pm » |
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Ok...so I "want" to believe....
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Re: How awesome is this!!!!!
« Reply #16 on: Aug 13th, 2007, 9:37pm » |
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Ill have to go with the U-man on this one, seeing that hes been a nuke scientest for longer than ive been alive......and I aint young.....LOL
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Re: How awesome is this!!!!!
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Re: How awesome is this!!!!!
« Reply #18 on: Aug 13th, 2007, 11:30pm » |
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Ueli might be interested (or not) in a guy who used to live here in Boise--Paul Brown. He claimed to have invented a nuclear battery.
Far as I know, it didn't work and couldn't work, but he got a lot of local press for awhile in the 1980's.
Brown died in 2001, so I was surprised to see his stuff all over the internet when I poked around. Here's a sample:
http://www.rexresearch.com/nucell/nucell.htm .
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Re: How awesome is this!!!!!
« Reply #19 on: Aug 13th, 2007, 11:39pm » |
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Re: How awesome is this!!!!!
« Reply #20 on: Aug 14th, 2007, 12:47am » |
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Reminds me a bit of cold fusion.
Ain't gonna do it. Pure fanstasy. 
Hi Ueli. Glad to see you and that you still check in.
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Re: How awesome is this!!!!!
« Reply #21 on: Aug 14th, 2007, 9:14pm » |
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George,
I think Brown invented some thing worse than cold fusion.
If a radioactive nucleus decays the energy set free (as the kinetic energy of the ejected particle(s) and the recoiling nucleus) is well defined and the measurements are in accordance to the calculated value. If the ejected particle carry an electric charge (as do alpha and beta particles) an electromagnetic field is set up. But Browns claim that the electromagnetic energy is 100,000 times larger than the kinetic energy is absurd. Where does this huge amount of energy come from? Did Brown discover a clever way to dodge the second law of thermodynamics? A strong indication of the infeasibility of his concept is that nobody was able to duplicate it and we are still stuck to using only the heat produced.
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Re: How awesome is this!!!!!
« Reply #22 on: Aug 14th, 2007, 9:22pm » |
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I am so lost im going to crack another beer on this one.....thats unless any chicks want to ride my electromagnetic field
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Re: How awesome is this!!!!!
« Reply #23 on: Aug 15th, 2007, 10:41am » |
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George,
The literature was written in the '80's about his non-thermal nuclear battery concept, maybe back then there was an open field to investigate both thermal and non-thermal to future needs. The non-thermal he researched is still being developed but so far very little power.
Two types: thermal and non-thermal. Brown's attempt was betavoltaic and non-thermal.
Quote:Non-thermal converters
Non-thermal converters extract a fraction of the nuclear energy as it is being degraded into heat. Their outputs are not functions of temperature differences as are thermoelectric and thermionic converters. Non-thermal generators can be grouped into three classes.
1. Betavoltaics
Betavoltaics is an alternative energy technology that promises vastly extended battery life and power density over current technologies. Betavoltaics are generators of electrical current, in effect a form of battery, which use energy from a radioactive source emitting beta particles (electrons). The functioning of a betavoltaic device is somewhat similar to a solar panel, which converts photons (light) into electric current. The radioactive battery (or nuclear battery) operate on the continuous radioactive decay of certain elements. These theoretical batteries last a long time.
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In May 2005, a group including researchers from the University of Rochester and from the University of Toronto announced a small battery powered by the beta-particle-emitting decay of tritium and positioned the product as suitable for pacemakers or low-current electrical household devices. The device gathers energy from the beta-particles that pass through a silicon diode, in a manner analogous to photovoltaic cells. This technique is called betavoltaics and has the potential to radically increase atomic battery efficiency and energy production densities. |
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http://peswiki.com/index.php/Radioactive_battery
It appears today, development for NASA is still the thermal kind for it's purposes.
Quote:In the near term, Newhouse said, NASA's nuclear ambitions are focused on building a better battery for an unmanned lander launching to Mars in 2009 and a nuclear-electric propulsion system for a planned 2015 robotic tour of Jupiter's icy moons. NASA plans to spend more than $480 million in 2005 to continue work begun last year on a new generation of radioisotope power generators as well as nuclear-electric propulsion systems capable of producing thrust over long periods of time.
Boeing's Canoga Park, Calif.-based Rocketdyne Propulsion and Power unit is designing a so-called Multi-Mission Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator (RTG), a more powerful version of the RTGs that powered NASA's Viking 1 and 2 Mars landers in the 1970s. While the Multi-Mission RTG would not be as powerful as the RTGs aboard NASA's Cassini Saturn probe, it is designed to be more flexible, adaptable to both the orbiter and lander missions on the space agency's drawing boards.
Lockheed Martin is working on a new type of system called a Stirling Radioisotope Generator. Like RTGs, the Stirling system would convert heat from decaying plutonium into electricity.
(stuff on improving the Stirling)
Where the two approaches differ is that the Stirling system has moving parts -- vibrating pistons that make much more efficient use of the rare and costly plutonium-238. The potential drawback of such systems is that their moving parts could cause interference problems for spacecraft instruments.
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"It will take a while for people to give [the Stirling generator] a fair shake, but in the end, it will win out," Crocker said. (Lockheed)
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"There may not be enough confidence in the Stirling system yet," Naninger said. "The [Multi-Mission] RTG is based on known technology." Naninger added, however, that the Stirling system "promises four-fold improvement in efficiency, which means it can generate the same power levels with one-fourth the plutonium." (Lockheed) |
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http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/nuclear_focus_040218- 1.html
A smaller, lighter battery would be a great idea to decrease the payload into space, thermals are heavy.
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Agree.
There was one interesting line though.
Quote:| The theory behind betavoltaic devices are relativistic in nature: protons and neutrons are essentially highly compressed and more or less stable forms of energy (E=MC2). The decay of a neutron into a proton releases large amounts of electrical energy. Neutron beta-decay into protons is said to be the world's most concentrated source of electricity. |
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Re: How awesome is this!!!!!
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I believe in the soul, the c*ck, the p*ssy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days.
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