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MR_FLOOR
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Thanks to our wonderful governor Rod Blowabitch as of jan 1st there is no more smoking in any public place including casinos,bars,and the worst one for me my beloved bowling alley.Looks like the end of my bowling career.I can deal with the restaurants and public places ect.but bowling alleys,common.
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Re: No Smoking
« Reply #1 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 8:54pm » |
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Welcome to the rest of the country, its been law in Mass for years.
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Re: No Smoking
« Reply #2 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 9:04pm » |
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Next will be your car.
Then your home.
But don't worry - the government is more addicted to the tax revenue than you are to nicotine.
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Re: No Smoking
« Reply #3 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 9:07pm » |
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Its called the free market.
The government has the freedom to dictate how a restaurant or bowling alley does business and who they can have as customers.
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Re: No Smoking
« Reply #4 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 9:10pm » |
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on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:04pm, Brewcrew wrote:
thats already here, a cop can stop a car if they see someone smoking in a car with a child in it.....this is fatboy and lurch country, Baby!
And, they are already cracking down on condo owners that smoke upsets other owners.
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Re: No Smoking
« Reply #5 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 9:12pm » |
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Amen and Blessed Be to that! It's a bone of contension here in my county as the board refused to just go along with the state wide ban.
2 times the county citizens have voted down a smoking ban referendum. The consperacy theorists blame the tavern league. Other side of the coin states the methodical reduction of citizen rights. Then there is the arguements over who's got the "right" rights. It's a muddles up mess.
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Re: No Smoking
« Reply #6 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 9:13pm » |
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Then will be your cheeseburger.
Then hide the candy bars. Those will be next.
The government is always better able to make life decisions for you than you are.
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Re: No Smoking
« Reply #7 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 9:17pm » |
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Here in Oregon you have to be 25 feet away from any entrance.....like at a restaurant or bowling alley. Being outside isnt good enough, you also have to go more than 25 feet away from the entrance.
Bingo Halls and Fraternal Organizations are the only ones left who can smoke.
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Re: No Smoking
« Reply #8 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 9:20pm » |
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One of the "Breathe Free" folkas stated that it is "Governments duty to protect the public...et al)
Really? I thought this was a free country? I thought we had the inalienable rights to life liberty and persuit of happiness? Sure as long as Government says it's ok?
Sorry, I just don't buy it. My Happiness doesn't come with a price tag that lets the state raise the "sin" tax 1.25per pack of smokes.
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Re: No Smoking
« Reply #9 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 9:31pm » |
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Here's my problem with all the no smoking laws (and watch the Libertarian in me come out now):
Tobacco is a legal product.
Bar and restaurant owners are private citizens who own private property.
It should be solely the decision of the owner of private property as to whether or not he or she allows the consumption of a legal product on his or her premesis.
If this doesn't work for all the feel-good, do-good politicians, then they should make tobacco illegal. They won't, because like I stated earlier, they are more addicted to the tax revenue than I am to nicotine.
So much for what used to be America.
It's now Amerika.
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Re: No Smoking
« Reply #10 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 9:36pm » |
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on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:13pm, Brewcrew wrote:
Then hide the candy bars. Those will be next.
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They're gonna have to pry my candy bar out of my cold, dead hands. 
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A few years back I was doing some intakes at a correctional facility. Went out to my car to have a butt and got surrounded by COs.
Threatened to write me a ticket and tow my car if I continued to smoke on site. One guy had a gut so big he hasn't seen his feet in years.
Apparantly twinkees are still allowed.
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Re: No Smoking
« Reply #12 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 9:48pm » |
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on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:40pm, chewy wrote:| Apparantly twinkees are still allowed. |
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Not for long, my friend. Trans fats.
Pretty soon all we'll be able to do is stand around and look at each other being miserable, no matter what our newly outlawed vice.
Until the government determines that standing around is bad for us.
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Re: No Smoking
« Reply #13 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 9:49pm » |
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Honest to God, I remember when you could smoke in the hospital.
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Re: No Smoking
« Reply #14 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 9:55pm » |
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on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:31pm, Brewcrew wrote:....(and watch the Libertarian in me come out now):
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Re: No Smoking
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Re: No Smoking
« Reply #16 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 10:48pm » |
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on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:49pm, Mosaicwench wrote:| Honest to God, I remember when you could smoke in the hospital. |
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Thats funny stuff right there.
Then, when there used to be designated smoking areas, people freaked out. Nowadays a designated smoking area is probably against the law.
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Re: No Smoking
« Reply #17 on: Jul 25th, 2007, 11:07pm » |
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Move on down here to Kentucky. We will be the last of the states to bend. We make our living selling burley and dark tobacco. Although I think Lexington and Louisville have already passed a couple of your laws.
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Re: No Smoking
« Reply #18 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 12:06am » |
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The thing about the no smoking laws is that the percentage of smokers is dropping rapidly and that it's also because that among legislators, the percentage is even less. If I remember, the national percentage of smokers is about 20%....that's getting lower all the time.
Frankly, I'm not all that worried about second-hand smoke but I never tell people that because then I don't have to explain why I don't let it in the house. Guilt works for us. 
If we were to time travel back to the 1950s, we'd have to put up with smoking everywhere. Doctors offices, drug and grocery stores, theaters, everyone's livingroom, Greyhound buses, airplanes, and hospitals....my retired nurse aunt smoked on the job.
Non-smokers were the oddballs when I was a kid. My dad had 18 employees at our parts stores....17 of them, including me, smoked.
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Re: No Smoking
« Reply #19 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 2:56am » |
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on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:31pm, Brewcrew wrote:
Tobacco is a legal product.
Bar and restaurant owners are private citizens who own private property.
It should be solely the decision of the owner of private property as to whether or not he or she allows the consumption of a legal product on his or her premesis.
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This is what I don't understand.Private property.Is there a such thing as private property any more.Think of the impact this is going to have on Casinos in IL,I live 1 hour away from Indiana ,do they really think I would go to Joilet or Aroura to Gamble when I could go to Indiana and smoke up.This stupid Governor (blowabitch)is going to lose millions in tax dollars.Oh thats right just raise the price of cigs.
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Re: No Smoking
« Reply #20 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 3:10am » |
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on Jul 25th, 2007, 9:17pm, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:| Here in Oregon you have to be 25 feet away from any entrance.....like at a restaurant or bowling alley. Being outside isnt good enough, you also have to go more than 25 feet away from the entrance. |
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I know I am gonna get some heat for this, even as a heavy smoker, but I happen to agree with this law. Many times, I have noticed the HUGE cloud of smoke at the door to a place, because of all the smokers. NO one, smokers included, need to plow through that heavy cloud, in order to leave a facility.
25 feet is not unreasonable.
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Re: No Smoking
« Reply #21 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 7:17am » |
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on Jul 26th, 2007, 3:10am, ClusterChuck wrote:
I know I am gonna get some heat for this, even as a heavy smoker, but I happen to agree with this law. Many times, I have noticed the HUGE cloud of smoke at the door to a place, because of all the smokers. NO one, smokers included, need to plow through that heavy cloud, in order to leave a facility.
25 feet is not unreasonable.
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On private property it is.
It should be however many feet - zero or a million - the owner says it is. Remember, we're talking about a legal product being consumed on private property.
Public property is a completely different story.
How's that for taking some heat? You radical, you. 
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Re: No Smoking
« Reply #22 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 7:42am » |
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on Jul 26th, 2007, 7:17am, Brewcrew wrote:
On private property it is.
It should be however many feet - zero or a million - the owner says it is. Remember, we're talking about a legal product being consumed on private property.
Public property is a completely different story.
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I agree. When I had my office in Gladewater - I HELD the DEED and NO ONE told ME who could do anything in MY place. The city passed their little ordiance and MY place went on business as usual. I dared them to tell me anything different - my attorney had the paperwork ready to challenge that little ordaniance (and he doesn't smoke). It's just NOT right and people SHOULD challenge it. PRIVATE property is PRIVATE property and until they change the constitution that's the way it should remain. The OWNER should have the last word NOT the government!
And for my part, I'd rather see a $1.25 tax on sugar than on nicotine. They'd make more money and maybe people would cut down on sugar -- it's worse for you than nicotine. check the diabeties stats. But people will eat their twinkies and get goo all over everything and then bitch about my smoking. I just don't see the difference.
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Re: No Smoking
« Reply #23 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 7:58am » |
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on Jul 26th, 2007, 7:42am, BarbaraD wrote:| PRIVATE property is PRIVATE property and until they change the constitution that's the way it should remain. The OWNER should have the last word NOT the government! |
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Precisely, dear Barbara. It would take two-thirds of the states to ratify that, and I doubt the removal of such a fundamental right would be agreed to by so many. However, it is at least a possibility, and that's why I continue to practice my marksmanship.
A move like that would cause the second American Revolution.
Despite it, the federal government continues to peck away at the body America - it's like we're being pecked to death by ducks. One here, one there, people say "no big deal." But get pecked a thousand times and you're dead. Well, we've been pecked about a dozen times in my lifetime, and dammit, it's starting to hurt a little.
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Re: No Smoking
« Reply #24 on: Jul 26th, 2007, 9:02am » |
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We have the no smoking laws here in Ontario. Ontario is SMOKE FREE.
My pet peeve. We sell cigs. in our store. Our cig sales have dropped by 70%. The Government claims that people are quiting smoking look at the statistics.
I beg to differ since all my customers that used to buy cigs now go to the reserve to buy. THEY DID NOT QUIT.
The government makes less revenue and the natives make a killing.
Government needs to dig their heads out of the sand or out of their ASS.
Sorry for the rant it is just frustrating.
Angie
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