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Drug Testing
« on: Jun 12th, 2007, 9:48am » |
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Like a lot of folks in America, I have a job. I work they pay me. I pay taxes and the government distributes my taxes as they see fit.
In order to get that paycheck I am required to pass a random drug test, which I have no problem with.
What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass the drug test.
Shouldn't one have to pass a drug test to get a welfare check, becasue I hve to pass one to earn it for them.
Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on thier feet.
I do, on the other hand have a problem with helping someone sit on thier ass using my taxes to get high.
Could you imagine how much money the government would save if people had to pass a drug test to get a public assistance check.
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Re: Drug Testing
« Reply #1 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 9:52am » |
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I agree with you 100%.
I had to add a point. Not all people who collect wellfare sit on there butts. Case: 20 years ago my husband and I were married with 3 kids. We both worked full time jobs. These jobs were min. wage jobs because that is all we couild get without more than a high school diploma. This after the conception and birth of my third child motivated me to go to college. All the grants and loan money that I needed to pay for child care, tuitiion, books, fees , etc was used up we had lost all food stamps and medical assistance. My parents fed us for 2 years and then I graduated from college and then put my husband thru collage and he graduated 2 years latter and we were making more money than before.
Point is not all people on welfare just sit on there buts. But I know I had friends that just sat on there buts having more and more kids. And did drugs. I think that is an abuse of the system. There do need to be some checks and balances.
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Re: Drug Testing
« Reply #2 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 9:59am » |
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Absofrickinlutely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Drug Testing
« Reply #3 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 10:08am » |
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Yes, however, that would infringe upon their rights to get high, and their right to collect money for nuthin.
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Re: Drug Testing
« Reply #4 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 10:12am » |
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on Jun 12th, 2007, 9:52am, Karla wrote:I agree with you 100%.
I had to add a point. Not all people who collect wellfare sit on there butts. Case: 20 years ago my husband and I were married with 3 kids. We both worked full time jobs. These jobs were min. wage jobs because that is all we couild get without more than a high school diploma. This after the conception and birth of my third child motivated me to go to college. All the grants and loan money that I needed to pay for child care, tuitiion, books, fees , etc was used up we had lost all food stamps and medical assistance. My parents fed us for 2 years and then I graduated from college and then put my husband thru collage and he graduated 2 years latter and we were making lots and lots of money.
Point is not all people on welfare just sit on there buts. But I know I had friends that just sat on there buts having more and more kids. And did drugs. I think that is an abuse of the system. There do need to be some checks and balances. |
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Yes Karla. My oldest sister worked as a waitress raised 3 kids and put herself through college with the aidof welfare. So I do know there are instances and circumstances.
But also there should be checks and balances.
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Re: Drug Testing
« Reply #5 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 10:40am » |
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For 12 years I was self employed and had to pay double Social Security taxes. When I become of age to collect SS, will I get double the usual amount for 12 years? (Sarcasm)
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Re: Drug Testing
« Reply #6 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 10:47am » |
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on Jun 12th, 2007, 10:08am, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:Yes, however, that would infringe upon their rights to get high, and their right to collect money for nuthin.
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Re: Drug Testing
« Reply #7 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 10:53am » |
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I always thought it would be interesting if we got to decide what our tax money was spent on.....
oh, wait, that's why we vote-supposedly we vote for the folks who agree with us on how to spend money.
Unless a celebrity is running...in which case we vote based on watching reruns of "The Terminator" 1-15. 
If I was king of the forest (which I'm not) I would make every elected official memorize the Preamble to our Constitution-life liberty and the pursuit of hapiness (pursuit implies effort). That government governs best which governs least. Think that was Ben Franklin?
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Re: Drug Testing
« Reply #8 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 11:25am » |
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on Jun 12th, 2007, 10:47am, Brewcrew wrote:
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and their chicks checks for free.
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Re: Drug Testing
« Reply #9 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 12:05pm » |
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Good one Peg!
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Re: Drug Testing
« Reply #10 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 12:11pm » |
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If your welfare is like our welfare, the amount of money that a person gets would probably be enough to buy illegal drugs for about a week. Studies have shown that the vast majority of people in American who are on welfare are white females with children. Although I have not found any information about illegal drug use among welfare receipients in America, I think that it would be the same as the general population. What should be done if, for instance, a mother with children who is getting welfare tests positive for some drug? Should the money be stopped and then let the family live on the streets and starve? We have similar stereotypes over here about people on welfare, but they are not true; also, they tend to be aimed at non-Caucasian people and I imagine that the same is true in your country. Living on welfare is not fun and most people would rather have a job, but for various, legitimate reasons, they cannot work.
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Re: Drug Testing
« Reply #12 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 1:45pm » |
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on Jun 12th, 2007, 1:02pm, klusterkopf wrote:| If your welfare is like our welfare, the amount of money that a person gets would probably be enough to buy illegal drugs for about a week. Studies have shown that the vast majority of people in American who are on welfare are white females with children. Although I have not found any information about illegal drug use among welfare receipients in America, I think that it would be the same as the general population. What should be done if, for instance, a mother with children who is getting welfare tests positive for some drug? Should the money be stopped and then let the family live on the streets and starve? We have similar stereotypes over here about people on welfare, but they are not true; also, they tend to be aimed at non-Caucasian people and I imagine that the same is true in your country. Living on welfare is not fun and most people would rather have a job, but for various, legitimate reasons, they cannot work. |
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Hate to rain on your parade, but in the good old US welfare has become a way of life for some people. We have 4th generation welfare receiptants and they don't know any other existance. Sad but true.
And the kids don't get the money for food, clothing and shelter. They're become runners and addicts at young ages. Our welfare system is way out of whack. It's been broke a long time. Back when I was a kid, it was looked down upon. Today it seems to be a status symbol.
I know several people on food stamps who SELL their food stamps to buy drugs. And I'm not saying that I don't buy them for half price. someone is going to. Why shouldn't I get some of my tax dollars back?
And I DO think drug test should be administered BEFORE the checks are handed out.
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on Jun 12th, 2007, 1:45pm, BarbaraD wrote:
And the kids don't get the money for food, clothing and shelter. They're become runners and addicts at young ages. Our welfare system is way out of whack. It's been broke a long time. Back when I was a kid, it was looked down upon. Today it seems to be a status symbol.
I know several people on food stamps who SELL their food stamps to buy drugs. And I'm not saying that I don't buy them for half price. someone is going to. Why shouldn't I get some of my tax dollars back?
And I DO think drug test should be administered BEFORE the checks are handed out.
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What percentage of welfare receipients' children sell drugs or become drug runners? You make blanket statements about how terrible the people who get welfare are, yet YOU engage in a CRIMINAL ACTIVITY by purchasing their food stamps for a discount! How can you complain about the drug use of others when YOU are one of the people giving them the money to buy the drugs? You say you buy them because if you didn't someone else would-essentially, you are committing a crime, fostering drug use and justifying it because someone else would do it? Your lack of morality and your justification of it are amazing. I do not think that you are in any position to criticize the behaviors of others until you clean your own house; you are taking the food out a some child's mouth so that you can save a few dollars. How sad that one can sell one's self respect and decency for such a low price and how hypocritical to condemn others for breaking the law when you are a lawbreaker yourself. Don't complain the next time that some drug related crime is committed because YOU aided that person, were an accomplise. How hypocritical and sad. Look in the mirror and see what a criminal looks like.
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Re: Drug Testing
« Reply #14 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 2:46pm » |
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Re: Drug Testing
« Reply #15 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 4:28pm » |
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Re: Drug Testing
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on Jun 12th, 2007, 2:25pm, klusterkopf wrote:
What percentage of welfare receipients' children sell drugs or become drug runners? You make blanket statements about how terrible the people who get welfare are, yet YOU engage in a CRIMINAL ACTIVITY by purchasing their food stamps for a discount! How can you complain about the drug use of others when YOU are one of the people giving them the money to buy the drugs? You say you buy them because if you didn't someone else would-essentially, you are committing a crime, fostering drug use and justifying it because someone else would do it? Your lack of morality and your justification of it are amazing. I do not think that you are in any position to criticize the behaviors of others until you clean your own house; you are taking the food out a some child's mouth so that you can save a few dollars. How sad that one can sell one's self respect and decency for such a low price and how hypocritical to condemn others for breaking the law when you are a lawbreaker yourself. Don't complain the next time that some drug related crime is committed because YOU aided that person, were an accomplise. How hypocritical and sad. Look in the mirror and see what a criminal looks like. |
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Re: Drug Testing
« Reply #17 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 5:18pm » |
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on Jun 12th, 2007, 2:25pm, klusterkopf wrote:
What percentage of welfare receipients' children sell drugs or become drug runners? You make blanket statements about how terrible the people who get welfare are, yet YOU engage in a CRIMINAL ACTIVITY by purchasing their food stamps for a discount! How can you complain about the drug use of others when YOU are one of the people giving them the money to buy the drugs? You say you buy them because if you didn't someone else would-essentially, you are committing a crime, fostering drug use and justifying it because someone else would do it? Your lack of morality and your justification of it are amazing. I do not think that you are in any position to criticize the behaviors of others until you clean your own house; you are taking the food out a some child's mouth so that you can save a few dollars. How sad that one can sell one's self respect and decency for such a low price and how hypocritical to condemn others for breaking the law when you are a lawbreaker yourself. Don't complain the next time that some drug related crime is committed because YOU aided that person, were an accomplise. How hypocritical and sad. Look in the mirror and see what a criminal looks like. |
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You're from Germany supposedly, how the hell do you know what is and isn't legal in the state of Texas? I find it hard to believe you managed to brush up on the entirety of Texas law in such a short amount of time.
Until you come and live here, I suggest you watch your judgements of those who do.
Many of your posts are borderline criminal in my opinion, so take your own advice and look in the mirror. You appear to be more of a danger than Barb ever could be.
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on Jun 12th, 2007, 4:28pm, vietvet2tours wrote:| Let's start with our elected officials. |
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on Jun 12th, 2007, 4:58pm, artonio7 wrote:
The elegance of your reply astounds me. So you approve of criminal activity as long as the criminal is a friend of yours, yes?
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Re: Drug Testing
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on Jun 12th, 2007, 5:54pm, klusterkopf wrote:| The elegance of your reply astounds me. So you approve of criminal activity as long as the criminal is a friend of yours, yes? |
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Re: Drug Testing
« Reply #21 on: Jun 12th, 2007, 6:01pm » |
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Heidi or whatever his name is this month has been chomping at the bit for a few weeks now waiting to start a war here. I've been watching and waiting for it and here it is.
His/her other posts didn't get too much of a reaction so he/she backed off.
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on Jun 12th, 2007, 5:18pm, catlind wrote:
You're from Germany supposedly, how the hell do you know what is and isn't legal in the state of Texas? I find it hard to believe you managed to brush up on the entirety of Texas law in such a short amount of time.
Until you come and live here, I suggest you watch your judgements of those who do.
Many of your posts are borderline criminal in my opinion, so take your own advice and look in the mirror. You appear to be more of a danger than Barb ever could be.
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I know that it is criminal to buy foodstamps from people on the street for whatever price and then to use them for yourself. That is not Texas law, but law in the entire United States. If you do something that you know is illegal, isn't that a crime with intent? If you know that the money will be used to purchase drugs, isn't that somewhat criminal? I imagine that whichever merchant takes the illegally obtained food stamps knows that they are illegal because, I believe, to use them one must have some proof that the user is the legal recipient of the stamps, so there is more criminal activity on the part of the merchant, but perhaps the law is different if you are Caucasian rather than Black or Hispanic in Texas? Please let me know. Danke schoen, gnadige Frau.
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Re: Drug Testing
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For the benefit of new people klusterkopf/Heidi/John is our resident troll. He serves no purpose except to confuse, obfuscate and distress posters while providing a wealth of misinformation of his own.
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Re: Drug Testing
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on Jun 12th, 2007, 6:05pm, klusterkopf wrote:
I know that it is criminal to buy foodstamps from people on the street for whatever price and then to use them for yourself. That is not Texas law, but law in the entire United States. If you do something that you know is illegal, isn't that a crime with intent? If you know that the money will be used to purchase drugs, isn't that somewhat criminal? I imagine that whichever merchant takes the illegally obtained food stamps knows that they are illegal because, I believe, to use them one must have some proof that the user is the legal recipient of the stamps, so there is more criminal activity on the part of the merchant, but perhaps the law is different if you are Caucasian rather than Black or Hispanic in Texas? Please let me know. Danke schoen, gnadige Frau.
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