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This is MADNESS
« on: May 15th, 2007, 6:12am » |
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Texas mother arrested, accused of mutilating infant son’s genitals and blaming it on the dog
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Friday, May 11, 2007 - Updated: 06:26 PM EST
HOUSTON - A mother who claimed the family dog tore off her baby son’s genitals was arrested Friday and accused of mutilating the boy herself with a sharp instrument.
Katherine Nadal, 25, was led away in handcuffs while awaiting a court hearing on custody of the 3-month-old boy, Holden Gothia. She was charged with injury to a child and held on $100,000 bail.
Child-welfare authorities said she told social workers she woke up from a nap March 13 to find that her small dachshund had attacked her son.
But a veterinarian and a doctor agreed the dog did not cause the injuries, because there was no blood or human tissue on the animal or in its mouth, police said.
Police said in court papers that the mother had used a sharp instrument to cut off the boy’s genitals. The instrument was not identified.
Nadal’s attorney had no comment.
Nadal had a history of prescription drug abuse and tested positive for cocaine and methadone the day after Holden was mutilated, authorities said.
She has been forbidden to see her son since the injuries occurred in March.
"Given what we know today, we will probably work toward terminating her parental rights and reuniting the child with his father or another relative," said Harris County Child Protective Services spokeswoman Estella Olguin.
The baby has years of reconstructive surgery and other operations ahead of him, said Daniel Sanders, an attorney for Camden Gothia, the baby’s father.
The dog has since been released by authorities and adopted.
What in hell is wrong with people 
This i just insane.I just cant understand how anyone can do this  
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Re: This is MADNESS
« Reply #1 on: May 15th, 2007, 7:13am » |
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, hopefully, its the fact that the media is everywhere. andrew, .
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Re: This is MADNESS
« Reply #2 on: May 15th, 2007, 7:20am » |
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Some things simply elude comprehension.
In a way, I'm glad I don't understand the "why" sometimes.
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Re: This is MADNESS
« Reply #3 on: May 15th, 2007, 8:25am » |
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Part of the "why" is that it takes effort and awareness and education to be good and to be kind.
It is a lot easier to be cruel.
Its just a matter of how cruel ....
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Re: This is MADNESS
« Reply #4 on: May 15th, 2007, 9:16am » |
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on May 15th, 2007, 8:25am, Lotus wrote:
Part of the "why" is that it takes effort and awareness and education to be good and to be kind.
It is a lot easier to be cruel.
Its just a matter of how cruel ....
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Are you saying this type of behavior falls within the "norm", and that cruelty to this degree is inherent in the human psyche? And that only through education and effort will we be able to resist acting in such a way? 
I think Svenn's title nails it. MADNESS...
as in post partum depression w/ psychotic features likely exacerbated by drug use.
Normal people do not behave in this way. Psychiatry 101
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Re: This is MADNESS
« Reply #5 on: May 15th, 2007, 10:41am » |
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on May 15th, 2007, 9:16am, nani wrote:
Are you saying this type of behavior falls within the "norm", and that cruelty to this degree is inherent in the human psyche? And that only through education and effort will we be able to resist acting in such a way?
I think Svenn's title nails it. MADNESS...
as in post partum depressin w/ psychotic features likely exacerbated by drug use.
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Thanks Nani, I'm glad somebody addressed this....I absolutely 1000% believe the opposite of what Lotus/Annette said is true it is MUCH easier to be kind....where in the hell did that come from?
and...what a horrible, awful, wretched, thing to happen....that poor boy, it just breaks my heart what he must have gone through....it makes me want to puke....
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Re: This is MADNESS
« Reply #6 on: May 15th, 2007, 11:11am » |
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Quote:It is a lot easier to be cruel.
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Good grief....what a premise. I don't agree with THAT at all!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #7 on: May 15th, 2007, 11:58am » |
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This woman should be locked away forever 0r something bad done to her. This is totally insane, but she doesn't deserve rehabilitation.
Where the hell is this going to end? Post partum depression my a$$! Too damn many names for just bad people!
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« Reply #8 on: May 15th, 2007, 12:37pm » |
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on May 15th, 2007, 11:58am, BarbaraD wrote:This is totally insane, but she doesn't deserve rehabilitation.
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Yes, it is insane. That's where the "with psychotic features" comes into play. Who said anything about rehabilitation? Life in a state hospital is no better than prison.
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Re: This is MADNESS
« Reply #9 on: May 15th, 2007, 1:00pm » |
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on May 15th, 2007, 6:12am, The mad viking wrote:Texas mother arrested, accused of mutilating infant son’s genitals and blaming it on the dog
By Associated Press
Friday, May 11, 2007 - Updated: 06:26 PM EST
She has been forbidden to see her son since the injuries occurred in March.
"Given what we know today, we will probably work toward terminating her parental rights and reuniting the child with his father or another relative," said Harris County Child Protective Services spokeswoman Estella Olguin. The baby has years of reconstructive surgery and other operations ahead of him, said Daniel Sanders, an attorney for Camden Gothia, the baby’s father.
The dog has since been released by authorities and adopted.
What in hell is wrong with people
This i just insane.I just cant understand how anyone can do this
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we will probably work toward terminating her parental rights W.T.F. ?? This should be a effen given.Then make sure all the other inmates KNOW exactly what she did is accused of doing .I am sure they will be more then happy to make sure she friggen regrets pays for get what the hell she deserves umm I mean remembers what she did every day she's behind bars and it should be for the rest of her life !! My opinion and I am sticking with it....
Minnie who can't effin stand ANYONE who would hurt a child or animal
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Re: This is MADNESS
« Reply #10 on: May 15th, 2007, 2:07pm » |
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It is insane and of course a perfect case for sterilization along with a new booby hatch residence.
Not to minimize this thing but things are not worse than in the past. They are likely better. 100 years ago....even a few decades ago, this kind of thing was rarely reported. People got away with most forms of child abuse, sexual abuse, beatings, and worse.
However, as far devolved as tv news has gone in the manner of National Enquirer, this is a case where as much good as harm may result in that it makes it harder to get away with this stuff. Maybe.
Insane it is.
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« Reply #11 on: May 15th, 2007, 2:19pm » |
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I keep wondering how this woman had custody of a kid. She has a history of being a coke-head. On the other hand, I've heard some real horror stories about CPS yanking kids out of families for what I'd consider insufficient reasons.
The woman herself is an absolute horror. Why-in-hell would she do something like that? Her taking cocaine is horrible but I've never heard of it making anyone do something like THAT.
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« Reply #12 on: May 15th, 2007, 2:24pm » |
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on May 15th, 2007, 2:19pm, testy01 wrote:Her taking cocaine is horrible but I've never heard of it making anyone do something like THAT.
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drugs on top of being a psycho....I wouldn't think it was JUST the coke or any one drug or thing fueling this situation....that's just MHO... 
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« Reply #13 on: May 15th, 2007, 2:34pm » |
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Maybe we should start a drug testing and mental testing program for PARENTS! If you test positive for drugs or post partum depression get the kids away from them!
We've got a society of psychos out there!
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« Reply #14 on: May 15th, 2007, 2:58pm » |
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on May 15th, 2007, 2:34pm, BarbaraD wrote:Maybe we should start a drug testing and mental testing program for PARENTS! If you test positive for drugs or post partum depression get the kids away from them!
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or "significant others of parents" we had a little girl here in Oklahoma who was beat to death by her stepfather....he and the baby's mother are both going to rot in jail, but that poor baby she never stood a chance!...they showed pictures of her with casts on her legs, etc and the State let her go back... well I'll just let you read
http://kelsey-briggs.memory-of.com/
its sick sick sick...there are people out there who would have loved these children and never done them a second's harm...and these people CAN'T have children....how messed up is that? Why do these loving people who dream of raising a family then they can't have children? and the most devient, sonofabitch can spread her legs and poof! here's your baby ma'am now take this baby home and don't let him see his second birthday??? its crazy to me....It just breaks my heart....all those babies in heaven, I truly hope and I have to believe they serve a purpose whether is down here or up there....
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Re: This is MADNESS
« Reply #15 on: May 15th, 2007, 3:43pm » |
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on May 15th, 2007, 8:25am, Lotus wrote:
Part of the "why" is that it takes effort and awareness and education to be good and to be kind.
It is a lot easier to be cruel.
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Sorry... but that's the damndest thing I've ever read....... 
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« Reply #16 on: May 15th, 2007, 5:05pm » |
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From a philosophy point of view, it is within human nature to be cruel.
Humans without education and awareness such as cavemen would hurt, mutilate, eat one another ... without batting an eyelid. The practice of human mutilation is still rife in many tribes in Africa, for example.
What is considered madness in developed countries maybe common practice in some other less developed parts of the world. It doesnt make it right, its just the way it is.
It is important to try to understand it, if only partially. A detective trying to catch/stop a serial killer will need to understand how the twisted mind works.
The answer is education and awareness. Locking the perpetrator away is easy. Preventing the next perpetrator is what will make a difference.
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What part of cocaine and methadone don't some understand?
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Re: This is MADNESS
« Reply #18 on: May 15th, 2007, 8:44pm » |
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Everyone is born with the ability to get angry and be cruel. YOU were saying it is easier to be cruel than to be nice and I say that is BS.
If someone cuts me off in traffic and almost causes an accident I get angry. I might even say I'd like to mutilate that guy. I don't do it. WHY? Because I find it a lot easier to be nice and just swear at him in my car.
I don't think it has one thing to do with the fact that I live in a civilized society. That woman who mutilated her son lives in a civilized society as well.
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Re: This is MADNESS
« Reply #19 on: May 15th, 2007, 10:24pm » |
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, Madness ! ( with a capital " M " ), in my humble opinion. we have the science to grow a human ear, on a " mouse ", why are there not sociopolitical lessons to be learnt in these situations ? andrew.
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What about "maternal love" And instinctive protection of our young? These are not conditioned emotions.
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« Reply #21 on: May 16th, 2007, 2:39pm » |
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This case is another fine argument for why people need to be reversibly sterilized at puberty, trained to be a parent, tested and after meeting the guidelines, and only after, be permitted to have a child.
It won't make these nut jobs any less nutty... but it will not give them the ability to produce a torture victim.
just my opinion.
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on May 16th, 2007, 2:39pm, artonio7 wrote:| This case is another fine argument for why people need to be reversibly sterilized at puberty, trained to be a parent, tested and after meeting the guidelines, and only after, be permitted to have a child. |
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You are joking, right?
Man gets to step in, play God, and once all the paeons pass this subjective test (jump through the parenting hoop, as it were), grant them the blessing to get their tubes untied. We will decide whether or not you will have children.
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Re: This is MADNESS
« Reply #23 on: May 16th, 2007, 3:47pm » |
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on May 16th, 2007, 3:38pm, Brewcrew wrote:
You are joking, right?
SNIP We will decide whether or not you will have children.
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Just like we decide who drives... There! Problem solved.
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Re: This is MADNESS
« Reply #24 on: May 16th, 2007, 3:55pm » |
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on May 16th, 2007, 2:39pm, artonio7 wrote:This case is another fine argument for why people need to be reversibly sterilized at puberty, trained to be a parent, tested and after meeting the guidelines, and only after, be permitted to have a child.
It won't make these nut jobs any less nutty... but it will not give them the ability to produce a torture victim.
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Because of a few nutcases, you'd put the rest of the world through this process???? Not fair!!!!
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