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This plan WOULD bring gas prices down..
« on: May 12th, 2007, 9:44pm » |
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Copied from an e-mail that I received:
Here's the idea:
For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit.
But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp out at this point.... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people.
I am sending this note to 30 people. If each of us sends it to at least ten more (30 x 10 =3D 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 =3D 3,000)..and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth group of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers. If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE
>>>>HUNDRED MILLION >>>>PEOPLE!!!
Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all. (If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is send thi s to 10 people... Well, le t' s face it, you just aren't a mathematician. But I am, so trust me on this one.)
How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!!
I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you?
Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. I suggest that we not buy from EXXON/MOBIL UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN.
THIS CAN REALLY WORK.
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Re: This plan WOULD bring gas prices down..
« Reply #1 on: May 12th, 2007, 10:00pm » |
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If Exxon-Mobile's gasoline sales went down, they would reduce the amount of gasoline they purchase for sale at their own retail stations. I am sure they would hate it if their gross sales went down.
However, if Texaco has an increase in sales due to the Exxon boycott, they would purchase more gasoline.
Net - Net, when talking about supply and demand for the commodity of crude oil or unleaded gas, this plan would make no difference at all. You still have the same number of gallons of gas used on a weekly basis. No matter which vendor you purchase it from, this plan will make no difference in the price of gas.
Economics 101 states that if demand falls, prices fall also. Just because you start buying gas at Texaco rather than Exxon would make no difference at all in the grand scheme of supply and demand.
If you want to make a difference, reduce the amount of gas you use.
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« Reply #2 on: May 12th, 2007, 10:38pm » |
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Would Exxon/Mobile not bring their prices down to win back their customers thus causing their competitors to lower their prices?
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« Reply #3 on: May 12th, 2007, 10:42pm » |
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They might, but the offset of Texaco raising their prices due to the increased sales would mean you would end up paying more for gas.
If Exxon/Mobile lowers their price due to lack of sales, Texaco/Chevron would increase their prices due to the increase in sales.
While this is going on, though, the price for a barrel of oil is the same, due to the constant demand.
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« Reply #4 on: May 12th, 2007, 10:45pm » |
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I tend to think that if Exxon/Mobile lowers their prices, the customers would flock back to them and Texaco would be forced to lower theirs.
I just thought it sounded right....but what do I know?
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« Reply #5 on: May 12th, 2007, 10:56pm » |
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Yeah, it sounds good but that won't work. You would have to reduce consumption in totality. Like what happened with our mild winter this year, demand was less than the supply, which was high for expected heating costs. Thus lower gas prices this winter. Fossel fuels are hurting us in the long run anyway. I can't help but think about all the energy swirling around us. Our very planet has a huge core of heat energy. I predict that someday energy is going to suddenly be really cheap and really clean, hopefully sooner than later.
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Re: This plan WOULD bring gas prices down..
« Reply #6 on: May 12th, 2007, 11:23pm » |
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on May 12th, 2007, 10:45pm, DonnaHar wrote:I tend to think that if Exxon/Mobile lowers their prices, the customers would flock back to them and Texaco would be forced to lower theirs.
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Customers would not flock back to Exxon if there is a boycott.
Granted, if someone can save $5 on $50 worth of gas, they would forget about the boycott.
Therein lies the problem.
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Re: This plan WOULD bring gas prices down..
« Reply #7 on: May 13th, 2007, 12:15am » |
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Here's the fix.
If you know a stock trader who speculates in the oil or gas market, shoot them.
Then get a hold of our Democrat majority and ask just when are they going to fix things they said were so fucked up!
We have been getting "conditioned" for years folks.
$4.00 a gallon is nothing to whats coming in the next ten years. IMHO. I just put a down payment on a Shwinn! 
But please don't go to Citgo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #8 on: May 13th, 2007, 7:17am » |
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I have to go along with the nay-sayers on this one. Gasoline is expensive because a barrel of crude is expensive. If (a HUGE "if" you could drop the overall demand for crude then the price for gasoline would come down quickly.
The problem is that China uses the money from the things they sell the US and Western Europe to buy crude for their own population. There are a billion people in China that would also like to have an SUV.
India has another billion people that would like SUVs as well.
Between the two, a third of the world's six billion people are trying to establish a US-style, energy-intensive economy. More demand from China and India as they try to bootstrap their economies increases the price of crude and there is no way that gas prices are going to drop with with an increasing demand.
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Re: This plan WOULD bring gas prices down..
« Reply #9 on: May 13th, 2007, 7:19am » |
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Woops. Preview is my friend. Not sure how that smiley got in the post. Sorry.
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« Reply #10 on: May 13th, 2007, 8:05am » |
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But by the same token, Exxon had another record profit year. Something like 1 billion $, I read. I'll look up, just for accuracy.
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Re: This plan WOULD bring gas prices down..
« Reply #11 on: May 13th, 2007, 9:05am » |
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Whereas if we'd all cut down ONE TANK a MONTH - (heck ride a bike or "heaven forbid" WALK instead of drive - or is that politically incorrect) we might just start saving some gas.
And LOBBY your "representatives" to dig a little deeper into "Alternate" energy sources, open some of the damn refineries that are shut down right now and a few other little things that have gone to pot in this country.
Europe has been paying these prices since the 60s - it's just now catching up with us. We might just find out that families can live with only one or two vehicles. Geezz! I love my truck with all the bells and whistles, but that old VW sure nuff did get good gas milage...
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Re: This plan WOULD bring gas prices down..
« Reply #12 on: May 13th, 2007, 10:19am » |
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How about delivering a list of failures/sellouts as explanation as to why every career/self-serving politician will be fired from office in upcoming elections?
Here’s the starter list that should already be causing national outrage.
$9 trillion national debt/continued irresponsible spending subsidized by foreign government loans. A $1 trillion trade deficit destroying the futures of our children/children’s children. A debtor nation that cannot sell produts of value in a global economy is not the strongest economy regardless of what we’re being fed.
Destructive/permanent “Free trade” agreements catering to foreign and corporate interests, written so poorly/one-sided that they make it virtually impossible for American workers and corporations to compete in “the global economy”.
Modification of unemployment counts to hide loss of U.S. jobs associated with “free trade” with third-world economies, and the declining standard of living for average U.S. families that results.
U.S. taxpayer subsidies for corporations relocating operations outside of the U.S. and reincorporating as foreign corporations to avoid paying U.S. taxes.
Nearly $3 trillion dollars of Social Security surplus replaced with worthless IOU’s of a debtor nation. Taxpayer funded private retirement accounts for elected representatives guaranteeing them 100% salary/full medical benefits at time of retirement while they do not contribute to Social Security and spend our retirement benefits on general government operations.
Taxpayer bailouts of under-funded/misappropriated worker pension plans resulting in loss or sever reduction of pensions while corporations simply operate as usual, wealthy CEO’s/executive’s collect massive bonus’s and investors gain wealth at taxpayers expense.
For profit/non-profit insurance, healthcare, pharmaceutical, educational and/or commodities institutions and companies run amuck, posting ever higher record profits while collecting taxpayer dollars from government for, R&D, gas/oil exploration, bailouts, grants, etc., etc., etc.,. Nothing beats paying government to turn a blind eye/not regulate your industry, collecting taxpayer dollars to fund operations, raising consumer costs for necessary services beyond reasonable explanation to provide wealthy executives and investors significant income opportunities. Legalized bribery is still bribery.
The Federal government eliminating Constitutional protection/rights of individual’s to own private property by giving local government power to seize private property via eminent domain and pass that property on to another private entity.
Massive tax burdens hidden buy taxing virtually every possible form of revenue and service (now exceeds over half of the average taxpayers annual gross wages). Federal/state/federal/local income, payroll (employee and employer), federal excise, utility usage - gas/electric/telephone/water/waste disposal, etc., sales, property, school, gasoline, etc., etc., etc. Fees for virtually every government service (nothing like double dipping – tax for services and impose fees for using those very same services).
Wars and police actions around the globe in the name of National Security and global Democracy while borders and ports remain unprotected. War profiteering by politically connected corporations. Unknown numbers of illegal aliens and unknown quantities of illegal goods to flowing freely into the country while illegal aliens collect benefits paid for by U.S. citizens.
Just a thought – but it appears too many Americans lack the backbone and possibly the interest to help correct the serious leadership problem in this nation. U.S. citizens keep swapping the same representatives/party’s in and out of office without demanding accountability and real change in a political system that is openly corrupt and self-serving.
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« Reply #13 on: May 13th, 2007, 3:06pm » |
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Well, in a lot of ways I agree with you. When a company gives a big donation to a politician, they expect to receive value for money. It is weird how everyone is expected to ignore that.
As far as the debtor nation goes, that whole thing drives me nuts. Everyone acts like that chicken isn't going to come home to roost eventually and the economists that should know better are just as big a bunch of sellouts as the politicians that buy them.
We're getting to the point where the US is going to be like one of those people that can't even pay the interest on their credit-card bills.
You're certainly right that the US can't compete on a global basis. Everyone and their dog makes things cheaper than the US can. Just cheap labor. I tried to start a PC assembly company in Saudi a few years ago. While I was doing my research I found that the Taiwanese companies paid their factory workers around US $380 per month, including everything. I had to drop the idea as there was no way I could compete, even here. The really odd thing was that the PCs the Taiwanese company was making were fully assembled and tested and then had the graphics card and one or two other unimportant bits pulled out and then they were sent to the US where the bits were reinstalled and the thing was stamped "Made in USA." This was completely legal but left a sour taste in my mouth anyway.
As an example, the US buys oil from Saudi and the Saudis turn around and send that money to China. When we say something to them they point out that they are American brands, the same thing that's available in Walmart or wherever.
Healthcare is another area that makes me crazy. Five months ago my wife of 22 years died of an incurable cancer. (Thymoma) When it was first diagnosed we were in Bangkok and I took her to the best hospital in the city. She had CT scans, MRIs, X-Rays, biopsies and all the other tests plus major thoracic surgery, two weeks in a private suite, and eight weeks of daily radiation. The hospital was brand new as was all of the equipment. The doctors were all trained and board-certified in the US or the UK. The place was really more like a Marriott hotel than a hospital, with roof-gardens looking out over the city and truly beautiful fittings and furnishings. Guess how much it cost, all together. The entire bill was US $8,000. I don't want to think how much that would have cost at home, I can't even estimate it. Why can't we manage to do this?
Schools are another issue. My daughter grew up over here and went to a private school for American and other Western-type kids. After she finished the 11th grade I sent her to San Diego to finish high school and start college. The schools in California are somewhere between two and three years behind where she was here. Strangely, all the teachers at her school here are American. They are encouraged to push the kids hard and the discipline is hard. The school will expel any student causing difficulties with others. No ifs-ands-or-buts. There are no dopers, no gangs, and no disturbances in the class. The teachers are respected. The odd thing is that the school cost less than what someone would pay in local taxes in the US. Why is that?
As far as taxes go, I just can't see the level of taxation in the US. As you say, everything is taxed and the rate never drops. Families have to work two and three jobs to succeed and that have no time and are too tired to enjoy whatever small successes they manage. Saudi has no taxes except on imports and those are minimal. You would be flat-out amazed at how much better you can live on a modest salary over here. Note, I'm not holding Saudi up as some kind of heaven. There's lots of problems over here, they're just different ones.
As far as the border issue you mention, lets not even go there. I heard the US government admit publicly that they were unable to control the borders of the country. How does that work? Why do we claim to be able to control the borders of Iraq or Afghanistan but can't control our own?
Sooner or later the US is going to have to wake up and realize that the laws of supply and demand apply to us as well as anyone else. When that happens we are going to have to make some extremely hard choices and it is going to be ugly. There is no such thing as a free lunch and that applies to any country.
Whew! OK, just let me jump down off this soap box. Your post really pushed my buttons.
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Re: This plan WOULD bring gas prices down..
« Reply #14 on: May 13th, 2007, 3:10pm » |
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on May 13th, 2007, 9:05am, BarbaraD wrote:Whereas if we'd all cut down ONE TANK a MONTH - (heck ride a bike or "heaven forbid" WALK instead of drive - or is that politically incorrect) we might just start saving some gas.
And LOBBY your "representatives" to dig a little deeper into "Alternate" energy sources, open some of the damn refineries that are shut down right now and a few other little things that have gone to pot in this country.
Europe has been paying these prices since the 60s - it's just now catching up with us. We might just find out that families can live with only one or two vehicles. Geezz! I love my truck with all the bells and whistles, but that old VW sure nuff did get good gas milage...
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The "one tank a month" idea is a good one. I don't know if anyone could ever get it to fly but it would actually help. I'm with you, I love my truck and drive it everywhere despite the fact that walking would be a lot better for me.
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In reality the numerous chickens coming home to roost are ravenous vultures and the average American better start doing something before this house of cards gets blown over.
Americans need to put aside petty differences that both political party’s and elected representatives use divide and conquer. Instead of getting caught up in the nonsense government has no right to interfere in – (I couldn’t care less if gays marry – it’s their right and none of my business. It’s not my place to interfere with a woman’s right to choose and I’m disgusted with hypocrites that interfere with this right while freely sacrificing life in a war initiated on the basis of lies. I don’t care about rights of illegal’s entering this country, until they enter legally and become citizens they have no rights. I own guns, have never shot anyone but would if necessary to defend myself or my family and I’m fed up with those that think my ability to defend myself is a national crisis.) Regardless of my feelings on these and many other ridiculous issues government wastes time on to enrage/splinter our nation, I don’t elect leaders to legislate morality or infringe on the rights of others that do not agree with my beliefs.
Our political system is deeply entrenched in corruption and increasingly bold pocket stuffing by legislators at all levels of government. Legislators and their special, foreign and corporate interest pals are laughing all the way to the bank with pockets full of taxpayer dollars. Elected representative must be held to higher standards of ethics and not permitted to rewrite law or take advantage of loopholes that put them above the very laws they create. Citizens need to seriously address the alarming corruption problems with the leadership of this nation.
We dishonor the Founders by freely giving up what they fought and died for. Americans have permitted this government to become the exact form of government that the Founding Fathers rebelled against. It’s the leadership of both party’s and the only meaningful change will be one that breaks the power of this corrupt two party system. Its time to elect non-party affiliated leadership into the majority and time for citizens to diligently enforce ethics and honesty in the leaders we choose.
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Re: This plan WOULD bring gas prices down..
« Reply #16 on: May 13th, 2007, 10:10pm » |
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If you were to board a comercial air-liner and fly to Egypt to see the Pyramids, the energy stored in the fuel that it took to get you there, would exceed the energy it took for humans to build those Pyramids.
The stored energy in the limited supply is not replaceable. We are going to run out of it, very quickly, at the current rate of consumption.
We desperately need to reduce our consumption. We need to re-think the way we live. Look around you, right now, and tell me one thing that is not provided to you by the burning of fossil fuels. One thing! Then tell me if you could do without it.
Do your research and make your own mind up.
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« Reply #17 on: May 14th, 2007, 4:28am » |
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I agree with you and I don't agree. We, (a group "we", not pointing this at you in particular) elected every one of those politicians that we are so contemptuous of now. They were slimy and deceitful when they were running so how can we be surprised when they keep on doing the same things that got them elected in the first place?
We elected them because they looked good on TV and promised to pass laws against whatever trivial "sin" we don't like or to push some point of view that we think all other Americans ought to believe. We allow politicians to be obligated to foreign countries (Bush and the Saudis or the State Department and the Chinese) and we allow politicians to pass government contracts to their buddies (Haliburton and Chaney) and we never stop and consider whether a given politician is good for the US, only whether he is going to do what we want.
In their defense, I have to say that a politician that ran on a platform of belt-tightening and fiscal responsibility wouldn't even make it into the primaries. That isn't what people want to hear and they'd vote for the other guy that is soothing and tells them that everything is OK and it's all the fault of the foreigners, gays, gun owners, gun haters, right-to-choose, right-to-life people or some other group that can be picked out and demonized. It's never our fault, always that guy down the street or across the ocean somewhere.
Sooner or later things will change because there won't be any choice. The US is the only remaining superpower and instead of using it to make changes in the world we're selling that status for another tank of gasoline and cheap crap from China.
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