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« on: Apr 28th, 2007, 3:27am » |
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For those of you of the Catholic faith, has the church taken a position on the war on terror in Iraq?
I ask this because yesterday at my friend Jesse's funeral mass the priest said that he was not to be considered a hero because what he did in the war was wrong. He said that Jesus was against war in almost all cases, and that the fighting in Iraq was wrong. Fortunately I was not able to go to the funeral, Linda represented us. Had I been there i would have gotten up and left at that point. I really thought it was tactless, thoughtless, cruel, as well as wrong to say such a thing at the funeral of a young Marine in the presence of his family who were grieving enough.
I had not heard that the Catholic church had taken such a position, and if I were a member of that church, which I'm glad I'm not, I would be looking for another one on Sunday.
BTW, I am NOT Catholic bashing, just looking for clarification. Thanks.
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Re: Question for Catholics
« Reply #1 on: Apr 28th, 2007, 5:11am » |
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The priest is a a liberal fuck wad!!
I dont care who you are, you dont say that shit when you are laying to rest someone that fought for us!
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Re: Question for Catholics
« Reply #2 on: Apr 28th, 2007, 5:36am » |
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on Apr 28th, 2007, 3:27am, Callico wrote:For those of you of the Catholic faith, has the church taken a position on the war on terror in Iraq?
I ask this because yesterday at my friend Jesse's funeral mass the priest said that he was not to be considered a hero because what he did in the war was wrong. He said that Jesus was against war in almost all cases, and that the fighting in Iraq was wrong. Fortunately I was not able to go to the funeral, Linda represented us. Had I been there i would have gotten up and left at that point. I really thought it was tactless, thoughtless, cruel, as well as wrong to say such a thing at the funeral of a young Marine in the presence of his family who were grieving enough.
I had not heard that the Catholic church had taken such a position, and if I were a member of that church, which I'm glad I'm not, I would be looking for another one on Sunday.
BTW, I am NOT Catholic bashing, just looking for clarification. Thanks.
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Why don't you ask the pope?
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Re: Question for Catholics
« Reply #3 on: Apr 28th, 2007, 6:17am » |
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If a Catholic priest said that he wasn't much of a Catholic and he should look to the catholic Churches own history of persecution and Auto Da fe's.
I was brought up as a Catholic - its not the Church for me however.
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« Reply #4 on: Apr 28th, 2007, 6:47am » |
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I don't know the Churches position but I do know that it wasn't a Christian thing to think or say.
How hurtful and wrong!
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Re: Question for Catholics
« Reply #5 on: Apr 28th, 2007, 7:45am » |
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John Paul II:
http://www.cjd.org/paper/jp2war.html
Benedict:
http://www.cjd.org/paper/benedict.html
(even Benedict took his name from an earlier Benedict, known as the "Peace Pope". )
Looks like they're pretty much against it....
but the priest still should've shut his yap.
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Re: Question for Catholics
« Reply #6 on: Apr 28th, 2007, 8:36am » |
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 . power corupts, the man should leave politics out of religion. problem is, a lot of people look to religion for guidance. andrew.
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Re: Question for Catholics
« Reply #7 on: Apr 28th, 2007, 9:03am » |
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Don't ya just love it when someone uses religion/the church to advance their own personal agenda....
What he said is so wrong!!!!
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Re: Question for Catholics
« Reply #8 on: Apr 28th, 2007, 10:45am » |
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Hi Jerry,
I am Catholic, and as such I can promise you each and every service I attend ALWAYS asks for prayers for our soldiers to be brought safely home, and we pray for those fallen soldiers as well.
It is quite a shame that this priest was so heartless in performing Jesse's funeral mass.
I guess the priesthood is similar to doctors, nurses, teachers, lawyers, etc.....................one BAD APPLE can spoil a whole good bunch.
My prayers go out to the family and I pray that in their grief they can remain proud of their marine !!!
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« Reply #9 on: Apr 28th, 2007, 11:50am » |
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Thanks Edna,
I thought that was pretty much the case. From what Linda said of the service the priest had a sour, bitter attitude in general. I know a number of Catholics are in the service and could not believe it was due to an edict of the church.
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« Reply #10 on: Apr 28th, 2007, 12:10pm » |
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on Apr 28th, 2007, 8:36am, andrewjb wrote:| . power corupts, the man should leave politics out of religion. problem is, a lot of people look to religion for guidance. andrew. |
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i have just re-read this thread, dident mean to seem callous, just some preists misinterpret the devotion felt in a church. andrew.
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Re: Question for Catholics
« Reply #11 on: Apr 28th, 2007, 12:18pm » |
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on Apr 28th, 2007, 3:27am, Callico wrote:
I ask this because yesterday at my friend Jesse's funeral mass the priest said that he was not to be considered a hero because what he did in the war was wrong. He said that Jesus was against war in almost all cases, and that the fighting in Iraq was wrong. Fortunately I was not able to go to the funeral, Linda represented us. Had I been there i would have gotten up and left at that point. I really thought it was tactless, thoughtless, cruel, as well as wrong to say such a thing at the funeral of a young Marine in the presence of his family who were grieving enough.
I had not heard that the Catholic church had taken such a position, and if I were a member of that church, which I'm glad I'm not, I would be looking for another one on Sunday.
BTW, I am NOT Catholic bashing, just looking for clarification. Thanks.
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This preist needs to go to a Marine base as say these things. Had I been there he would have gotten his head busted wide open. He needs to read the part in the bible that talks about judging someone. I am at a loss for words to describe how I feel in this situation. But the one thing I do know is I would have hurt the preist.
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Re: Question for Catholics
« Reply #12 on: Apr 28th, 2007, 12:28pm » |
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on Apr 28th, 2007, 3:27am, Callico wrote:For those of you of the Catholic faith, has the church taken a position on the war on terror in Iraq?
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From what I have heard, the Vatican is in favor of the war on terror(ists), and is not in favor of the war for Democracy in Iraq.
Pope JP could not understand why the USA cares more about democracy in Iraq than protecting US citizens. 10 years ago, Catholics could practice in Iraq without fear of getting their heads cut off. Due to the democracy the US has imposed on Iraq, Catholics can no longer practice unless they want to get their head cut off.
This really pisses of the Vatican as one of their primary goals is to give people across the world the freedom to practice religion.
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on Apr 28th, 2007, 12:18pm, medic1852 wrote:
Had I been there he would have gotten his head busted wide open.
But the one thing I do know is I would have hurt the preist.
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Now, now, Rodg. Busting someone's head open for speaking their mind goes against the constitution, namely the 1st ammendment. Your bretheren have fought and died just to give that priest the right to speak freely. Let's not let their deaths be in vain.
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Now, now, Rodg. Busting someone's head open for speaking their mind goes against the constitution, namely the 1st ammendment. Your bretheren have fought and died just to give that priest the right to speak freely. Let's not let their deaths be in vain.
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Your correct he does have the right of free speech. I will not debate that. But to say what he said at a funeral of a Marine (any service member applies here) is wrong distasteful and in desperate need of an attitude adjustment. The folks were burying their son (or daughter) a condemed killer on death row is given more respect by a preist.
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on Apr 28th, 2007, 12:57pm, medic1852 wrote:
Your correct he does have the right of free speech. I will not debate that. But to say what he said at a funeral of a Marine (any service member applies here) is wrong distasteful and in desperate need of an attitude adjustment. The folks were burying their son (or daughter) a condemed killer on death row is given more respect by a preist.
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I totally agree. Like my Mom used to always say: If you dont have something nice to say, then shut the fuck up already.
The priest should have kept his mouth shut. Nobody asked him for his opinion.
Its kind of ironic too. The USA sponsors these religious cults, and then the priest who pays no taxes speaks ill?
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Oh how convienient to attempt to erase history for the sake of a political opinion by the priest. The Catholics have waged the bloodiest of all holy wars in history. The Cruisades.
Hypocrasy at it's finest...
I certainly do not agree with his narrow minded and obviously less than educated opinion. Jesse and other hero's that have come and died before him, have however protected his right to state it.
Better to remain silent and only be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.
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« Reply #17 on: Apr 28th, 2007, 1:21pm » |
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The 1st Amendment protects against Government interferance.
Last I heard there was a seperation of Church and State so the 1st amendment can not be used as an argument either way.
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There is no sep between church and state. That is definately NOT in the constitution. Here in the USA, we certainly do not have seperation as the gov't openly sponsors religious cults. The word god is even on our money, and we force kids to reference god in the pledge. Hell, most people even think that marriage is religious.
Like Jefferson, I am a firm believer in freedom FROM religion. And I certainly dont think I should pay more in taxes so religious cults pay nothing. Paid cult members, such as priests and pastors, don't even pay income taxes, not even social security or medicare.
Multi-million dollar properties used by these cults also pay $0 in taxes. I pay $2000 a year in taxes for my shack I call a home. My community, my state and my country would be much better off if we taxed these freeloaders.
Its called stealing from the poor and giving to the rich. I wish I had freedoom FROM religion.
Course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
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Can you give me an example of that?
I'm pretty sure David Koresh (sp) wouldn't agree.
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on Apr 28th, 2007, 1:19pm, Redd wrote:Oh how convienient to attempt to erase history for the sake of a political opinion by the priest. The Catholics have waged the bloodiest of all holy wars in history. The Cruisades.
Hypocrasy at it's finest...
I certainly do not agree with his narrow minded and obviously less than educated opinion. Jesse and other hero's that have come and died before him, have however protected his right to state it.
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The same arguments can be made against our founding fathers... with slavery, and the genocide of the indians. Have we moved on? Do we still practice such activity? Should Americans forever be seen as war mongering slave owners?
Although the questions are rhetorical, with the logic you've followed, we can easily see where those opposed to the US can judge us on our history as opposed to our ideals and current standards.
Not an argument... just an observation.
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1.Pastor Chestor gets paid $7000 per month from his cult. Pastor Chestor paid no personal income tax, no medicare, no social security and no unemployement taxes.
2.Pastor Chestor's cult has a 50k sq ft building on 7 acres. No property taxes are paid, either for the building or for the land.
3.Pastor Chestor's cult has $100,000,000 in the bank collecting interest or invested in other securities. The dividends, capital gains, and interest are all tax free.
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Re: Question for Catholics
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on Apr 28th, 2007, 3:27am, Callico wrote:
...yesterday at my friend Jesse's funeral mass the priest said that he was not to be considered a hero because what he did in the war was wrong...
I really thought it was tactless, thoughtless, cruel, as well as wrong to say such a thing at the funeral of a young Marine in the presence of his family who were grieving enough.
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Something like that said at any funeral is tactless and thoughtless. To say it at a Marine's funeral adds cruelty to it. On top of all that, politics has no place at a funeral.
A hero, to me, is someone who takes it upon him/herself to make the world a better place, be it for one or for many.
Thank you, Jesse, for serving our country. Semper Fi!
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