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Is it really the gun that kills?
« on: Apr 18th, 2007, 6:58pm » |
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Re: Is it really the gun that kills?
« Reply #1 on: Apr 18th, 2007, 7:37pm » |
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This story on that site had some info I was wondering about.
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Re: Is it really the gun that kills?
« Reply #2 on: Apr 18th, 2007, 7:48pm » |
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"Those behaviors fit the "profile" of a school shooting. That's not a profile of a certain type of student — school shooters have been of many ethnicities, family backgrounds and academic standing. But experts say there is a pattern of actions that typically precede an attack."
I dont think they are talking about a gun, do you?
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Re: Is it really the gun that kills?
« Reply #3 on: Apr 18th, 2007, 8:01pm » |
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I forgot to answer the question.
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No, he created some purpose to kill before he got the guns.
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Re: Is it really the gun that kills?
« Reply #4 on: Apr 18th, 2007, 8:20pm » |
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I'm numb at this point... My kids have been getting shot at for so long now that I have to say I am amune to this type of thing. It should not have happened. After 911 things like this are not supposed to happen. But here we are the rosey glassed Americans that trust everyone. Even the school I work in is unsafe everyday. Anyone can walk right through the front door. Our kids aren't safe... Mine haven't been for a long time... but now everyone feels it. Welcome to my world.
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Re: Is it really the gun that kills?
« Reply #5 on: Apr 18th, 2007, 8:40pm » |
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A little reallity for you!
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=1431
If it was so easy for this VT punk to buy these guns with a green card, shouldnt we arm all the students?
How is it that you can buy a gun without a back ground check when you have a green card?
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Re: Is it really the gun that kills?
« Reply #6 on: Apr 18th, 2007, 8:41pm » |
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It's the malfunctioned individual, he had the intention, and took advantage of the means.
There were tons of signs that this was a fugged up guy.
How about the thought that video games, like first person shooters prepare people or some how program them? I keep hearing how these games train people on how to execute these death missions.
I played the Doom, Duke Nukem, Halo and a host of others. Do these games screw with someones head so bad that they have lost tha ability between fantasy and reality?
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Re: Is it really the gun that kills?
« Reply #7 on: Apr 18th, 2007, 8:42pm » |
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First...it scares the hell out of me.
Second...what has happened to this "child"??? Why would a young boy feel such rage and conviction?
I felt sadness watching him..wondering what happened that caused him to be so disturbed and angry. I very well may be wrong, but it seems he endured alot of very deep pain.
Nevertheless, he's dangerous...pain or no pain. The reuslt of his pain has destroyed lives...
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Re: Is it really the gun that kills?
« Reply #8 on: Apr 18th, 2007, 8:47pm » |
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on Apr 18th, 2007, 8:41pm, JeffB wrote:| I played the Doom, Duke Nukem, Halo and a host of others. Do these games screw with someones head so bad that they have lost tha ability between fantasy and reality? |
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Not me, you?
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Re: Is it really the gun that kills?
« Reply #9 on: Apr 18th, 2007, 8:49pm » |
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Haven't gone postal yet. 
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Re: Is it really the gun that kills?
« Reply #10 on: Apr 18th, 2007, 8:49pm » |
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on Apr 18th, 2007, 8:42pm, sldrswyfe wrote:
Second...what has happened to this "child"??? Why would a young boy feel such rage and conviction? |
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He was a man!
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Re: Is it really the gun that kills?
« Reply #11 on: Apr 18th, 2007, 8:51pm » |
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He wasn't a man. Far from it.
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Re: Is it really the gun that kills?
« Reply #12 on: Apr 18th, 2007, 8:53pm » |
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The guy was bitching about privilaged kids! His sister went to Princeton, he was at Virginia Tech, what the hell does he have to bitch about?
He was a fucked in the head individual who showed signs for at least a couple of years.
My question is, why was he still allowed at that university??
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Re: Is it really the gun that kills?
« Reply #13 on: Apr 18th, 2007, 8:54pm » |
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He was not a child or a boy is what I meant.
Why did he get guns with no back ground check with a GREEN CARD!!!!!!
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Re: Is it really the gun that kills?
« Reply #14 on: Apr 18th, 2007, 8:56pm » |
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Ummm... he was in an educational facility.... surrounded by people with a higher than average IQ..... One professor noted that he was twisted... even threatened to quitting her job if he remained her student. What were the other 28,000 people doing? Surely she wasn't the only person who noticed he was odd.
Nope... the gun doesn't always kill people... indifference often does though.
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« Reply #15 on: Apr 18th, 2007, 8:59pm » |
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The guy was mentally unbalanced. He had been placed in a mental hospital (not volintary) and lied on the gun application about it.
Again, why didn't ANY of the students defend themselves? If I knew I was going to be shot it would be done atempting to get the sob not cowering waiting for the bullet.
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Re: Is it really the gun that kills?
« Reply #16 on: Apr 18th, 2007, 9:01pm » |
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on Apr 18th, 2007, 8:40pm, Jonny wrote:
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Because that is the law.
Each state has their own laws, I had to do a background check, wait 7 days and take 2 classes just to get my CWP. In Virginia, they dont really have any rules, except you can not purchase more than 81 guns at 1 time.
Do you think we should make new federal rules concerning getting guns?
I don't know if making new rules can solve anything at this point......except make law abiding citizens have to wait longer to purchase them legally.
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Re: Is it really the gun that kills?
« Reply #17 on: Apr 18th, 2007, 9:03pm » |
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on Apr 18th, 2007, 8:56pm, artonio7 wrote:Ummm... he was in an educational facility.... surrounded by people with a higher than average IQ..... One professor noted that he was twisted... even threatened to quitting her job if he remained her student. What were the other 28,000 people doing? Surely she wasn't the only person who noticed he was odd.
Nope... the gun doesn't always kill people... indifference often does though.
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Not sure if you need a higher than average I.Q. to go to or teach at a university. 
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Re: Is it really the gun that kills?
« Reply #18 on: Apr 18th, 2007, 9:04pm » |
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on Apr 18th, 2007, 9:01pm, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:Do you think we should make new federal rules concerning getting guns?
I don't know if making new rules can solve anything at this point......except make law abiding citizens have to wait longer to purchase them legally. |
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Well, if they did the BG check they would have seen the stalking reports and the detention in the mental facilaty, no?
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Re: Is it really the gun that kills?
« Reply #20 on: Apr 18th, 2007, 9:06pm » |
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Then what the hell is a background check good for in this case, nothing?
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Re: Is it really the gun that kills?
« Reply #22 on: Apr 18th, 2007, 9:09pm » |
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ALL states should have the fucking back ground check!!
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Re: Is it really the gun that kills?
« Reply #23 on: Apr 18th, 2007, 9:11pm » |
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Why?... if it's been established time and again in this thread... that criminals will find a way to get guns. Why the fuck bother?
Instead shouldn't it be made MANDATORY that everyone past the age of 12 own a gun? After all... everyone will then be armed... oh yeah... make them all full automatic with at least 120 round clip.
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Re: Is it really the gun that kills?
« Reply #24 on: Apr 18th, 2007, 9:18pm » |
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070419/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting
This kid was sick in every sense of the word. Did he know right from wrong? Probably, but imho, something had pushed him beyond that point of no return. Not justifyng what Cho did, but I can almost guarantee you that if somebody digs deep enough, you're going to find a kid that long had problems, most likely going back to high school.
According to what I found, they would have done a background check on Cho, but they wouldn't have found anything, because he had no prior convictions. There is no waiting period in VA.
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To answer you question. What do you think the university should have done? He hadn't overtly threatened anyone. Try and kick a student out if that student isn't an iminent threat to himself or someone else and you'll find yourself in the middle of a lawsuit. And I would guarantee you that his parents had worked themselves to the bone to assure that their kids had the best education they could provide. Hazarding a guess, I would possibly say that both were on scholarship.
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