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What say you?
« on: Mar 27th, 2007, 6:00pm » |
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I know nothing about the bible, can someone that does tell me if this video is even close to correct?
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Re: What say you?
« Reply #1 on: Mar 27th, 2007, 6:07pm » |
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And the eternal battle between the literalists and the generalists rages on!!!!! It all comes down to two great theological debates:
1: Why do we drive on a parkway, and park in a driveway?
2: Why did kamikazee pilots wear helmets?
Answer these, grasshopper, and you will become the master.
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Re: What say you?
« Reply #2 on: Mar 27th, 2007, 6:21pm » |
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LMAO, bro!!!!
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Re: What say you?
« Reply #3 on: Mar 27th, 2007, 6:48pm » |
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8 years of Catholic school taught me not to interpret the bible literally. You're supposed to learn the lessons of human decency from it. Love thy neighbor as thyself. It seems the 'kooky stuff' (that's MY opinion) came later from other people.
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Re: What say you?
« Reply #4 on: Mar 27th, 2007, 6:57pm » |
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After a number of years of indepth study on the subject I think my avitar says it all..... 
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Re: What say you?
« Reply #5 on: Mar 27th, 2007, 8:01pm » |
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on Mar 27th, 2007, 6:00pm, Jonny wrote:
Dude, this video is a complete fabrication of the Bible. Let me just add a few notes to show what I mean:
1. Being Born again of the water is exactly what is implies. It reffers to being baptized and coming out of the water and a sign of the "re-birth". It is an outward show of an inward change. It is not a physical re-birth but a rebirth of your soul.
2. Eating the flesh and drinking the blood refers to the symbol of jesus body broken and blood spilled as a redemption for our sins. It is not literal and that part even the video maker knows.
3. Some of his "steps" to get into heaven have nothing to do with how to get into heaven. Selling everything was for the rich man who coveted his riches more than God, so Jesus told him to sell everything to prove he wanted to follow God not money (note: he didnt sell anything). Later , he told his disciples to sell everything and folllow him, it is NOT a requirement for heaven in the Bible but for his disciples.
4. Doing "mitzvot" does not make you righteous. This is Jesus point about being more righteous than the Pharases. Therefor, doing all the good deeds in the world doesn't make you righteous. Asking for forgiveness and following God does.
5. Finally,mot of the quotes have anything to do with going to heaven. They are parables, stories, or commands to different people asking different questions. In them. Jesus shows them what THEY need to do (most of which are things they wont do) to follow him.
I could go on and on. That video is completely full of it, period. I don't mind discussing, debating, or even keeping my religious beliefs to myself, but I can't stand people who take scripture out of context and use it to flat out lie, which is what this guy did.
Ok, back to your regular program.
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Re: What say you?
« Reply #6 on: Mar 27th, 2007, 8:14pm » |
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on Mar 27th, 2007, 8:01pm, FramCire wrote:
Dude, this video is a complete fabrication of the Bible. Let me just add a few notes to show what I mean:
1. Being Born again of the water is exactly what is implies. It reffers to being baptized and coming out of the water and a sign of the "re-birth". It is an outward show of an inward change. It is not a physical re-birth but a rebirth of your soul.
2. Eating the flesh and drinking the blood refers to the symbol of jesus body broken and blood spilled as a redemption for our sins. It is not literal and that part even the video maker knows.
3. Some of his "steps" to get into heaven have nothing to do with how to get into heaven. Selling everything was for the rich man who coveted his riches more than God, so Jesus told him to sell everything to prove he wanted to follow God not money (note: he didnt sell anything). Later , he told his disciples to sell everything and folllow him, it is NOT a requirement for heaven in the Bible but for his disciples.
4. Doing "mitzvot" does not make you righteous. This is Jesus point about being more righteous than the Pharases. Therefor, doing all the good deeds in the world doesn't make you righteous. Asking for forgiveness and following God does.
5. Finally,mot of the quotes have anything to do with going to heaven. They are parables, stories, or commands to different people asking different questions. In them. Jesus shows them what THEY need to do (most of which are things they wont do) to follow him.
I could go on and on. That video is completely full of it, period. I don't mind discussing, debating, or even keeping my religious beliefs to myself, but I can't stand people who take scripture out of context and use it to flat out lie, which is what this guy did.
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Dude,
Not trying to break your balls, but you are saying your interpretation of the bible, or at least of the parts being discussed by the dude in the video, is much more correct.
I dont know enough about the bible to have an interpretation, but its weird you are saying this other interpretation is "full of it".
I guess that is why i am not religious.....no body can tell me which religion is the correct one.
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My philosophy is no religion is the best religion.
Do the best with what you got, try not to hurt anyone, try not to hurt yourself, and you should be just fine come judgement day.
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Re: What say you?
« Reply #8 on: Mar 27th, 2007, 10:04pm » |
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I'm waiting for the mother ship to land and then I think that will clear up a lot of questions. I'm sure we'll find out the answer for "How to serve man".
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Re: What say you?
« Reply #9 on: Mar 27th, 2007, 11:04pm » |
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on Mar 27th, 2007, 8:14pm, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
Dude,
Not trying to break your balls, but you are saying your interpretation of the bible, or at least of the parts being discussed by the dude in the video, is much more correct.
I dont know enough about the bible to have an interpretation, but its weird you are saying this other interpretation is "full of it".
I guess that is why i am not religious.....no body can tell me which religion is the correct one.
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I am saying that he is flat out lying, not misinterpreting. He presents parables like they are presented sas factual. He presents things that are explained in greater detail like they aren't explained.
When a person says that Jesus says a person needs 8 steps to go to heaven when twice he quoted passages which said there was only 1 step, that is lying and misrepresenting.
It is easy to misrepresent when you take parts out of context.
It's like saying Roosevelt was a crazy violent man when he said to "carry a big stick". Changes the whole meaning when you take it out of context, doesn't it.
Anyway, I am not here for a debate, just answering Jonny's question.
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Re: What say you?
« Reply #10 on: Mar 27th, 2007, 11:44pm » |
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Belief is rarely a problem, religion again...well you see it every day. The book is a part of the latter.
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Re: What say you?
« Reply #12 on: Mar 28th, 2007, 1:49am » |
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Re: What say you?
« Reply #14 on: Mar 28th, 2007, 5:27am » |
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This is the most important time of the Christian year. Born and raised a Catholic it took me 40 years before I got the true meaning of everything written in Scared Scripture.( And I'm still learning today). This was a time in Christ's life when they looked for every reason to put him to death. No matter what beliefs or unbeliefs you have---here was a man who performed extreme miracles, helped the sick , the dying , the isolated , the lonely , the persecuted , and I could go on and on...........If someone made a mistake ---even if several times----he forgave them. When they succeeded in killing him , his last breath was forgiveness..............After 2,000 plus years----there are still people out there who are trying to discredit him.
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Re: What say you?
« Reply #15 on: Mar 28th, 2007, 6:29am » |
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on Mar 27th, 2007, 9:55pm, chewy wrote:My philosophy is no religion is the best religion.
Do the best with what you got, try not to hurt anyone, try not to hurt yourself, and you should be just fine come judgement day. |
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Re: What say you?
« Reply #16 on: Mar 28th, 2007, 7:45am » |
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Some of the deepest, most profound biblical philosophy out there:
http://www.royzimmerman.com/index.php
Just a little way down in the video section, click on Creation Science 101.
After that, click on some more of these links. Unbelievably hilarious.
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Re: What say you?
« Reply #17 on: Mar 28th, 2007, 9:56am » |
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Religious texts are as numerous/diverse as the cultures from which they originated. Interpreted and reinterpreted throughout history they have been repeatedly altered to translate forgotten languages and accommodate specific beliefs, declining/emerging cultures, specific events and/or increasingly centralized populations.
Claiming any modern texts, including the Bible, result from direct communications with God or even contain the original message is historically absurd.
Throughout history every religion revised these texts to expand their wealth, power and control by harnessing humanity’s tribal/primal instincts towards greed, hatred, mistrust and violence. What may possibly be God’s greatest gifts/only true words for humanity, compassion, love, understanding, acceptance and respect are suppressed in all religious texts by claiming these only apply to the faithful.
If we believe the written texts of each religion - the vast majority of humanity is doomed for all eternity. True believers have fallen victim to a false religion or God based on where they were born or what segment of culture they were born into.
Religious devotion and strict conformance to any religious text are not subsitutes for compassion, love, understanding, acceptance and respect.
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Re: What say you?
« Reply #18 on: Mar 28th, 2007, 10:04am » |
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My relationship with God is between God and I. That's how it should be for all of us, we are the masters of our own fate. I don't need some one to tell me what is right and what is wrong. I know in my heart what is right and what is wrong. I can take care of it myself.
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Re: What say you?
« Reply #19 on: Mar 28th, 2007, 10:19am » |
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on Mar 28th, 2007, 10:04am, thomas wrote:| My relationship with God is between God and I. That's how it should be for all of us, we are the masters of our own fate. I don't need some one to tell me what is right and what is wrong. I know in my heart what is right and what is wrong. I can take care of it myself. |
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However, many would argue that you are not born with an innate sense of right and wrong, and thus each individual needs to be taught the difference. Hence the existence of religion and religious education.
Where we go wrong as a species is dividing up into differing sects, each claiming to posess the batphone to God's right ear. Most of the biggest wars throughout history have been fought over this.
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Re: What say you?
« Reply #20 on: Mar 28th, 2007, 10:22am » |
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on Mar 28th, 2007, 10:04am, thomas wrote:| My relationship with God is between God and I. That's how it should be for all of us, we are the masters of our own fate. I don't need some one to tell me what is right and what is wrong. I know in my heart what is right and what is wrong. I can take care of it myself. |
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Re: What say you?
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on Mar 28th, 2007, 10:19am, Brewcrew wrote:
However, many would argue that you are not born with an innate sense of right and wrong, and thus each individual needs to be taught the difference. Hence the existence of religion and religious education.
Where we go wrong as a species is dividing up into differing sects, each claiming to posess the batphone to God's right ear. Most of the biggest wars throughout history have been fought over this. |
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As long as religion is decisive as it is, this will not change. This is a tough issue these days. Is Oral Roberts and Pat Robertson any better than Pres Imadangjihad??
Like I said about other beings, when one of those fuggers land, religon will be thrown out the window.
Hope I did not offend!
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Re: What say you?
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on Mar 28th, 2007, 10:19am, Brewcrew wrote:
However, many would argue that you are not born with an innate sense of right and wrong, and thus each individual needs to be taught the difference. Hence the existence of religion and religious education.
Where we go wrong as a species is dividing up into differing sects, each claiming to posess the batphone to God's right ear. Most of the biggest wars throughout history have been fought over this. |
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It depends on which philosophy they follow, if it is Christianity, in the Bible ; Adam and Eve ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thus passing down to all mankind the innate ability to know right from wrong.  As for the rest, I am not well versed enough to offer examples but I do know enough of the other philosopies that I am pretty comfortable without a "mentor".
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Re: What say you?
« Reply #23 on: Mar 28th, 2007, 11:06am » |
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on Mar 28th, 2007, 10:42am, thomas wrote:| ...but I do know enough of the other philosopies that I am pretty comfortable without a "mentor". |
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The question is, would you have been comfortable without a mentor at age 3 when you took the neighbor girl's favorite toy, or at age 6 when you stood there with a rock in your hand and a nice shiny window begging you to throw it, or at age 12 when you were ready to press the old lady's doorbell and "ding-dong-ditch" her, or at age...
You get my drift. All I'm saying is that we are pretty capable as adults to make these judgements, but most people don't make it to adulthood without some guidance, a mentor or two, and a few "school of hard knocks" experiences to help shape them.
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Re: What say you?
« Reply #24 on: Mar 28th, 2007, 2:28pm » |
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on Mar 28th, 2007, 11:06am, Brewcrew wrote:
The question is, would you have been comfortable without a mentor at age 3 when you took the neighbor girl's favorite toy, or at age 6 when you stood there with a rock in your hand and a nice shiny window begging you to throw it, or at age 12 when you were ready to press the old lady's doorbell and "ding-dong-ditch" her, or at age...
You get my drift. All I'm saying is that we are pretty capable as adults to make these judgements, but most people don't make it to adulthood without some guidance, a mentor or two, and a few "school of hard knocks" experiences to help shape them. |
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At age 6 when I took my skipping rope and whooped my friend Kim Morphew with it, my mother marched her back to my house handed her my skipping rope and I stood and got whooped back. My mother is at best agnostic and my father was the black sheep athiest of an Anglican Arch Deacon family.
No omnipotent force taught me right and wrong that day.
My Mother did. And it was my Mothers arms that comforted me for every time I came crying into them and still do to this day.
That doesn't give any answers to any biblical texts or arguments, it only answers how I learned right and wrong and how I find comfort.
The rest is still quantum soup.
And the answer is 87 not 42 and don't ask unless you are prepared to do about 25 years worth of reading.
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