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SAN ANTONIO -- A San Antonio woman who police said has confessed to killing her two children is being charged with capital murder.
Valerie Lopez, 19, was arrested Saturday, along with her boyfriend after a four-day manhunt ended. Lopez's boyfriend, Jerry Salazar, 28, has been charged with injury to a child by omission. Police said he knew Lopez was abusing her children.
Authorities said Lopez told investigators that she beat her 18-month-old daughter, Sariyah Garcia, to death on Christmas Eve. They said she also confessed to killing her 4-month-old son, Sebastian Lopez, two months later when she rolled over him.
Police said Lopez wrapped both bodies in plastic bags and hid them under her house. The neighbors discovered the decomposing bodies Tuesday, while trying to pinpoint the source of a foul odor they had been smelling for as long as two weeks.
Lopez continued life as usual, having a birthday party for Salazar and buying him roses and chocolates for Valentine's Day, the San Antonio Express-News reported. The couple told friends and neighbors that a dead animal was causing the stench around the triplex complex. They also told their friends that children were staying with their grandmother, the paper reported.
"It didn't seem like it bothered her or him," Tony Serenil, 41, Salazar's cousin and a tenant at the complex told the paper. "Like if those children never existed."
An affidavit for an arrest warrant said Lopez admitted to police that her daughter would not stop crying, so she repeatedly struck Sariyah "about the head and body." The warrant said that after the alleged beating, the child was unresponsible. "Instead of calling for medical attention, (she) wrapped (Sariyah) in a blanket, wrapped the blanket with tape and placed the child in a trash bag," the document said. It went on to say Lopez put the trash bag in a duffel bag and hid it under the home.
Her bail's been set at $10 million.
"For whatever reason, evil lurks in some individuals and they kill children," District Attorney Susan Reed said. "But we can't stand by and wash our hands of it."
Reed plans to seek the death penalty against Lopez.
The paper reported that when Lopez was 15 years old she was accused of punching her 9-month-old daughter, Alexis Ramirez, in the chest with a closed fist. Lopez was convicted in juvenile court of assault on a child, the paper reported.
Lopez and Alexis were later placed in a foster home by Child Protective Services after Lopez said she had been abused, according to the paper. Lopez then gave birth to a son, Jeovoni Lopez, the following year. He was eventually placed in the same foster home.
The paper reported that Lopez ran away from the foster home in January 2005, leaving both children behind. Those two children were later were adopted. Lopez then gave birth to Sariyah in October 2005.
CPS was notified later of alleged charges of child abuse against Sariyah. But when they met with Lopez, she had other reasons for the child's bruises. CPS left the child in the home, the paper reported.
Neighbors, angry with the agency, believe it failed the children by not doing a thorough investigation. Over the weekend, someone spray painted "Shame on CPS" on a wooden board and nailed it to the complex.
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« Reply #1 on: Mar 11th, 2007, 12:27pm » |
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Yep... no reason for her to be using up our oxygen any longer.
Now did I read that right? 19 years old? 4 kids?
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« Reply #3 on: Mar 12th, 2007, 2:26am » |
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ok... This story has really turned my stomach.
As radical as it may sound... Imposing involuntary reversible sterilization on everyone who reaches puberty may not be such a bad idea.... At the age of 30 if you've taken the required number of parenting courses, pass the appropriate number of tests and show a certain level of financial security and social stability... then you can apply to have the sterilization reversed. Until then... you shouldn't have the right to reproduce. A child's life and care is much too precious to be given over to the unqualified. Sadly now days there are far too many instances where the courts have to become involved after these tragedies occur, and far too many children are in the care of people who are not worthy or capable of even owning a dog.
I'm really getting sick of the way these animals treat their young.
ok... I vented.
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« Reply #4 on: Mar 12th, 2007, 3:17am » |
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on Mar 12th, 2007, 2:26am, artonio7 wrote:
Sadly now days there are far too many instances where the courts have to become involved after these tragedies occur, and far too many children are in the care of people who are not worthy or capable of even owning a dog.
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I agree with you Tony.
I personally know of some mothers who should not ever be allowed to have children.
Even if those abused children survive, their lives are pretty much f**ked up!
Gee, thats the first time I have ever sworn in a public forum. Guess I have vented too!
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« Reply #5 on: Mar 12th, 2007, 7:30am » |
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on Mar 12th, 2007, 2:26am, artonio7 wrote:ok... This story has really turned my stomach.
As radical as it may sound... Imposing involuntary reversible sterilization on everyone who reaches puberty may not be such a bad idea.... At the age of 30 if you've taken the required number of parenting courses, pass the appropriate number of tests and show a certain level of financial security and social stability... then you can apply to have the sterilization reversed. Until then... you shouldn't have the right to reproduce. A child's life and care is much too precious to be given over to the unqualified. Sadly now days there are far too many instances where the courts have to become involved after these tragedies occur, and far too many children are in the care of people who are not worthy or capable of even owning a dog.
I'm really getting sick of the way these animals treat their young.
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You know, as radical as it may sound, my mama never had parenting classes and I didn't take any. I turned out *okay* and my daughter turned out to be an exceptional individual.
Also, if we waited until we could *afford* children, don't imagine most of us would ever have children.
That being said, given that this girl was already in foster care with two small children, why in the hell didn't someone try and talk her into using some form of birth control that wouldn't depend on *her* cooperation (thinking IUD or shots).
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« Reply #6 on: Mar 12th, 2007, 10:06am » |
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I'm with you Delta. My mama didn't know about parenting classes and neither did I. I'm a little warped, but turned out ok and my son is a productive member of society and acts sane most of the time.
CPS is ok up to a point - but they say they're overworked and just can't check out everything, so kids fall thru the cracks. Then the courts get to get in on the act.
I hate stories like this and this one is not the only one on the news tonight. There's just too many kids being abused and killed. Seems like CPS only goes after the parents who are "correcting" their children and acuse them of abuse. The abusers keep on and on.
there's just something wrong with our system that lets people keep doing these things.
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« Reply #7 on: Mar 12th, 2007, 2:32pm » |
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CPS really dropped the ball on this one.
"CPS was notified later of alleged charges of child abuse against Sariyah. But when they met with Lopez, she had other reasons for the child's bruises. CPS left the child in the home, the paper reported."
Now, common sense would tell me that this girl had already lost two children to the system (one had been abused). Wouldn't it stand to reason that CPS should have been alert to the fact that this girl was already in the system as an abuser? So what if she had *explanations*? She should have been, at the very least, required to attend parenting sessions as a condition of keeping the little girl.
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« Reply #8 on: Mar 12th, 2007, 3:13pm » |
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That woman is the problem, not CPS.
Why is it that when evil people do bad things, we look for OTHER people to blame? Why villify the CPS people? They are there to help kids, and I'm sure they do their level best. What a wonderful profession to be in.
This woman is evil. Focus your anger on her if you must have anger about it.
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You're right Fu.... The woman is evil and should not be allowed to do this again. Oh, she's only 19 == tough! She should have thought about that when she was killing those innocent kids.
There's been so much of this lately (even had one down here in Texas not far from where I live) - kill their kids because God told them to or they had post-partum depression -- sorry Charlie -- there's NO excuse.
I have very strong feelings on what should be done to anybody who harms a child but especially mothers. The death penalty is too easy in my opinion. But bleeding hearts say these women are "sick" and should be treated for an illness. So juries give them "not guilty because of insanity" -- and they go for treatment and get out to do it all over again. They should never be allowed to return to the human race.
Most women who've ever had a child has had post-partum depression and we cried a lot. But we sure as hell didn't kill our kids.
UGHHHHH! I just get so angry about this abuse.
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« Reply #10 on: Mar 12th, 2007, 3:54pm » |
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If you are "caught" being cruel to animals either by abusing them or neglecting them to the point of physical and psychological harm, you are forbidden by laws to own another pet again, let alone keeping the one you have abused.
If you are "caught" being an irresponsible driver who either causes accident or neglects to keep your car road worthy, you are forbidden by laws to drive one.
There are laws to prevent evil and irresponsible people from causing further damages to an animal and to other people, but there is no laws to stop those from producing and keeping more children in their "care"!
WTF ? 
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« Reply #11 on: Mar 12th, 2007, 6:02pm » |
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Can I PULEEEZE throw the switch?! Better yet, may I please off this broad with my bare hands?!
Sick, twisted, sadistic, abusive f*cking sleeper... I would expound on this epithet, but there are no adjectives sufficient enough to express my point.
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Yer right Fub.
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« Reply #13 on: Mar 12th, 2007, 8:27pm » |
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Personally I'm against capital punishment bit I'm also the first to admit it's a great deterrent. No-one executed for their first offence has gone on to commit further crimes.
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I disagree that it's a deterrant. I don't like it either Brian.
Hasn't been an execution in my state for 43 years, I believe.
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on Mar 12th, 2007, 8:36pm, Charlie wrote:I disagree that it's a deterrant. I don't like it either Brian.
Hasn't been an execution in my state for 43 years, I believe.
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Think about this; The release of a convicted murderer that kills again....who is to blame? The murderer or the state?
The guy in Rochester ~ 12-15 years ago... Released from prison after ~15 years. I think the last count for him was about 3 women dead found in the Erie Canal.
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 . sorry, but its just too efficent for me. where does it stop? as a law making administration, it has an obligation to "hear"/ "understand", the reasons, for what is a social problem. dont we as "ch", sufferes have to endure a similar bias with the drug cos ? no !, if you make laws, you need to understand the people your making them for. NOT, make them to justify - - ? - - greed ? woops, may well be "raveing on", a bit here. appologies. andrew.
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Bullshit! Utter and total freaking bullshit! Murdering children is not a social problem. Society is not at fault because someone decides to kill their kids or anyone else. This is why we have an ever increasing problem with crime and delinquency - it's always someone else's fault. We have a bunch of bleeding hearts blaming the parents, the school, the government, everyone but the person who committed the crime. It's not poor little Johnny's fault that he killed someone to take his tennis shoes. He couldn't help himself. You know he was an abused child, right? That kid shouldn't have had those shoes in the first pace. Bullshit. If being abused as a child is a valid reason for killing someone, then I should be a mass murderer.
What ever happened to personal responsibility?
As to the death penalty, if a person is so incorrigible that he or she can never be trusted in society again, then I see no reason to spend tax dollars feeding, clothing, educating and entertaining them for the rest of their lives.
I'm thinking this bitch has killed enough kids and the scumbag boyfriend who knew about it and went on with his life as if nothing had happened should share an adjoining table. They can hold hands as the plunger is pushed and go to hell together.
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on Mar 12th, 2007, 10:18pm, Paul98 wrote:
Think about this; The release of a convicted murderer that kills again....who is to blame? The murderer or the state?
The guy in Rochester ~ 12-15 years ago... Released from prison after ~15 years. I think the last count for him was about 3 women dead found in the Erie Canal.
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And how many other hundreds of thousands of similar cases can we lay at arsehole judges doors for being bleeding hearts and allowing these monsters out of jail??
Sadly a life sentence just doesn't mean life and in the process it makes "criminals" of the victim and their families who are the only poor bugger's GENUINELY serving a life sentence.
It makes me sick to the stomach.
on Mar 13th, 2007, 3:39am, Gator wrote:Bullshit! Utter and total freaking bullshit! Murdering children is not a social problem. Society is not at fault because someone decides to kill their kids or anyone else. This is why we have an ever increasing problem with crime and delinquency - it's always someone else's fault. We have a bunch of bleeding hearts blaming the parents, the school, the government, everyone but the person who committed the crime. It's not poor little Johnny's fault that he killed someone to take his tennis shoes. He couldn't help himself. You know he was an abused child, right? That kid shouldn't have had those shoes in the first pace. Bullshit. If being abused as a child is a valid reason for killing someone, then I should be a mass murderer.
What ever happened to personal responsibility?
As to the death penalty, if a person is so incorrigible that he or she can never be trusted in society again, then I see no reason to spend tax dollars feeding, clothing, educating and entertaining them for the rest of their lives.
I'm thinking this bitch has killed enough kids and the scumbag boyfriend who knew about it and went on with his life as if nothing had happened should share an adjoining table. They can hold hands as the plunger is pushed and go to hell together.
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« Reply #19 on: Mar 13th, 2007, 5:41am » |
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How about a forced hysterectomy, without pain killers or sedatives, with a grappling hook?
Then a FULL life sentence of actually making little ones outta big ones (rock crushing) ... HARD, dirty, demeaning physical labor is what criminals need! AND no fancy tv or rights ... they LOST their rights to a cushy existence.
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« Reply #20 on: Mar 13th, 2007, 7:43am » |
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emotions run high, quite right, but no one in their right mind would perpitrate such horror. telling someone that if they do "this or that", they will get "that or this", does not work, just makes people more sneeky, and harder to catch. in the uk, its commonly beleved that when a young offender is sent to jail, they come out with more strings to their bow. career criminals. haveing them understand, and trying to understand would mean better laws and a more responsable society. andrew.
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I NEVER said that the woman herself wasn't responsible for her children's deaths. HOWEVER, it is someone elses responsibility to protect those children when she has already shown a pattern of abuse and irresponsibility. Thoses babies couldn't protect themselves from her, so who should have been there to make sure that she could NOT continue the abuse she had perpetuated with her other children?
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'darlin, my little rant wasn't about what you said. No, it's not CPS's fault that the kids are dead. The "mother" did that, but the system did let those kids down. I can guarantee that nearly 100% of the criminals will say they didn't do it. If that is the extent of the investigation, almost no one would get caught and be punished for their crime.
My frustration is this mentality that there can be no punishment of crime until we understand the criminal and their motives. This girl was in a foster home because she was allegedly abused and therefore it is understandable that she would abuse and eventually kill her kids. We must feel sorry for the criminal and try to figure out why s/he commits the crimes s/he does. Again - bullshit of the highest grade. Mollycoddling the criminal enables and encourages the criminal and shits on the victim and will eventually lead to the breakdown of law and order.
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gee a touchy topic and the poster didn't get blasted to bits like I did.... cool
Well I had me a hell ova ride last night, with our collective little friend, so I feel quailified to post and be tacky at that !
Fry the bitch... and any other flushin' things down toilets that don't belong down toilets, and don't stop there.
Fry anyone convicted of murder reguardless of the weapon system.
You can't "restore" these kinds of people, and we can't afford to keep them....
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It's called the Nanny State, Mike. Why should anybody take responsibility for anything anymore when our nanny is here to do that?
Of course I'm being sarcastic (amazing how I feel like I have to point that out way too often). I spent awhile in the U.A.E. and Saudi Arabia back in the summer of 1991, and I was stunned to find out that you truly did not need to lock your car doors. Why? Because stealing is a crime that is punishable by losing your hand. The punishment isn't, by western standards, considered "appropriate," but it sure as hell works. Nobody steals there.
An America where punishment is swift and "appropriate" is long gone, Michael. It's slowly headed toward either anarchy or socialism, but the rate is increasing. I sometimes wonder if our children or their babies will experience it in all its full-blown "glory."
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