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Posts concerning suicide, just thoughts
« on: Feb 28th, 2007, 10:53am » |
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I read a post here recently concering suicide. That post may be up for deletion, but I think the topic deserves a discussion....
All this is intened to be, is a discussion....
I could indentify with parts of the post, and when I was at my worst I had these thoughts myself. My wife knew I had them because I told her.
In the post I could relate to not knowing where I was when I woke up, and had problems knowing who I was too...
I am willing to bet that poster and I, am not alone either.
Lets just see who is comforatable enough to addmitt it and say so, and perhaps say why.
By the way it isn't something I am giving the slightest attion to currently and so this isn't some wild plea... If it gets any warmer than it is I might go ride my motorcycle later today.....ok....  Mac...
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Re: Posts concerning suicide, just thoughts
« Reply #1 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 11:44am » |
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Some of us have never seriously contemplated suicide. I would be one of those who have not.
Perhaps you'll say, then, that it has never been that bad for me.
Perhaps.
Or perhaps physical pain is different for each individual. Perhaps it is a reflection of our coping skills.
I don't know the answers. But I do know this. If I were to take my own life, it would leave a number of people emotionally scarred for the rest of their lives. I would not do that to them. Instead, I choose to bear the pain of this affliction.
Life between the hits is grand. Plus, it keeps more people happy that way.
Suicide - not an option.
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Re: Posts concerning suicide, just thoughts
« Reply #2 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 12:49pm » |
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I did consider it in the past, more than 11 years ago. I admitted to it and understood when the last of our members (Lee) took his own life and I took a lot of heat for posting my thoughts.
I'm not there anymore, thankfully, and will never be there again. Thanks in large part to this group.
Thanks, AGAIN, DJ.
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Re: Posts concerning suicide, just thoughts
« Reply #3 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 2:33pm » |
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A couple of brave gents to make comment....
I am not here to play judge....
I will not be sending the winner any prizes either....
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Re: Posts concerning suicide, just thoughts
« Reply #4 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 2:41pm » |
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Nunya!
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Re: Posts concerning suicide, just thoughts
« Reply #5 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 2:50pm » |
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on Feb 28th, 2007, 2:33pm, Mac_Muz wrote:A couple of brave gents to make comment....
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WTF are you talking about?
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Re: Posts concerning suicide, just thoughts
« Reply #6 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 2:54pm » |
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I was wondering the same thing, Brew.
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Re: Posts concerning suicide, just thoughts
« Reply #7 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 3:04pm » |
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Oh was that difficult?
I am asking about a issue I think is important...
I was saying I am not running a contest, and wasn't about to judge any opinions.
Jeff WTF is a Nunya!?
Inaddition I was thinking no one would reply.... ever.
So for those that did I thought it was brave....of them.
There, does that make it better ?
Brew thanks for the first reply, but no thanks on the 2nd.... no offence... mac
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Re: Posts concerning suicide, just thoughts
« Reply #8 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 3:09pm » |
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Perhaps you could attempt to be less cryptic. Then I wouldn't have to ask wtf you're talking about.
You're welcome on the first. Wish I didn't feel the need to post the second.
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« Reply #9 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 3:13pm » |
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probably why I get 3 stars eh?
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Re: Posts concerning suicide, just thoughts
« Reply #10 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 3:13pm » |
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First, who are you and why would I (not speaking for anyone else) talk to or give an opinion or thought on a subject like this to you?
I comment on a lot of stuff my friend but I think what you're asking is a bit personal for a place like this.
So "nunya" friggin business about my concerns regarding suicide. 
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Re: Posts concerning suicide, just thoughts
« Reply #11 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 3:14pm » |
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Dear Mac,
Why did you think no one would reply?
We openly discussed this topic many times in the past. If you go back into archives and have a look, there are threads pages long on this topic where just about everyone posted candidly about their own thoughts and experience. The last one was not that long ago either.
If not as many post an answer to you now, its more likely that we are just tired of talking about the same topic again and not getting anywhere in particular.
Its a reality with CH and we deal with it but its not something most CHers or supporters want to dwell in. You become your thoughts.
Back to rowing the boat. Talk to you later.
Annette
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Re: Posts concerning suicide, just thoughts
« Reply #12 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 3:44pm » |
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on Feb 28th, 2007, 3:14pm, BB wrote:
Dear Mac,
Why did you think no one would reply?
We openly discussed this topic many times in the past. If you go back into archives and have a look, there are threads pages long on this topic where just about everyone posted candidly about their own thoughts and experience. The last one was not that long ago either.
If not as many post an answer to you now, its more likely that we are just tired of talking about the same topic again and not getting anywhere in particular.
Its a reality with CH and we deal with it but its not something most CHers or supporters want to dwell in. You become your thoughts.
Back to rowing the boat. Talk to you later.
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Ok... plz don't take this personal cause this is completely in general and meant to more than one person.....
why do we have to refer back to the archives for difficult questions/answers. I personally have never been able to use the search on this website, the search always takes forever and then comes up incomplete, so why can't we bring up "old" issues, now? They aren't old to ppl that were not there for the archives time! And plz Annette don't take this as a personal attack at all... I just quoted your post as an example. I just think old issues should be brought up ... and well u gave me a good example to jump from.
Also I would never admit to suice attempts and emotional issues on this board , back in the day, but I'm more open about myself now. I can openly admit I wanted to die years and years ago, and if I were to get judged I really don't care. I know me, I know the road I travelled to get where I am and I am ok with that, years ago I was not ok with admitting any of my past "issues" ... so you would not find any posts about me swallowing bottles of pills and laying down to sleep. ..... so this is good, this thread IMHO...
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Re: Posts concerning suicide, just thoughts
« Reply #13 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 4:15pm » |
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it is a touchy subject
I've seen threads like this shut down before
There's a reason they call it suicide headache. That's no accident.
It's not something we want to sensationalize. For good reason.
I prefer to let people discuss their suicide thoughts via private message or phone or email. That's just me.
I do see, from time to time, people who really want to discuss it in the open. But, like I said, it's a touchy subject. People have strong views on it, just like politics or religion. It never goes as the original poster intended.
I'm not sure it's a topic that can be discussed in the open without creating a fuss.
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Re: Posts concerning suicide, just thoughts
« Reply #14 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 4:22pm » |
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Dear Taraann
No offense taken at all  Its a discussion and anyone's opinion is valid, yours and mine. I didnt say this thread is a bad idea, I just felt that the recent event has caused many of us certain emotional turmoil and time is needed, at least for the many who were knee deep in it trying to do practical things such as ringing around and trying to make contact. I could be totally wrong and the fact maybe that everyone here would love to talk about suicide, again. I apologise if I sounded like I am generalising.
I believe though that it helps to go back to the archives as the better we know our history, the better we can understand our present and our future.
Of course its a personal choice and I agree that the search function is not straight forwards. Still, history has its place.
JMHO.
Painfree wishes to you all.
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Re: Posts concerning suicide, just thoughts
« Reply #15 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 6:48pm » |
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Jeff I am no one in particular... I have Ch's just like everyone else on here, other than Ch supporters...
I am not the suicidal type but I got there one time over Ch directly. I was a royal mess in short order.
I have never heard or seen the term you used before either if it matters...
At times I get myself into trouble as I have here now too, being something of a hard ass... I come from the school of hard knocks...
As Brew asked I will attempt to be less cryptic, but won't make promises it will never happen again.
No offence was intended, and I didn't take any...
If I owe any appology you have it... Same goes for Brew...
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BB, I simply didn't know that this had been discussed ever. I saw a few things in the other thread that I saw in myself. I wondered if anyone else had. It was a simple thing, or so I thought. I understood that it would be controvercial before I started. I also understand that the poster was in bad pain at the first post, I have been there. I saw also the poster had suffered more than a few other things some related to meds and others not related to a Ch at all, and some of those I suffer from as well, being permanent nerve damge from an accident crushing my back and having a broken neck.
I am not trying to force any issues with that poster in any way. I am sorry if I have opened a touchy subject to you, and at a bad place in time. I appreciate any opinion.
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taraann,
I to had things once I wouldn't discuss openly, being an x drug addict, but I do now in hopes others might gain some insite, and maybe if they get lucky can learn with out paying for the lessons... I have my doubts....
When I was given a trial imitrex injector the nurse appeared shocked I knew how. 
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Fubar, Thanks for the opinion I mean it! I am sort of surprised it came so easy I agree with it all too. Really thank you....
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I am willing to answer any questions about me openly or in pm.... mac
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Re: Posts concerning suicide, just thoughts
« Reply #16 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 7:08pm » |
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on Feb 28th, 2007, 6:48pm, Mac_Muz wrote:| I also understand that the poster was in bad pain at the first post, I have been there. I saw also the poster had suffered more than a few other things some related to meds and others not related to a Ch at all, and some of those I suffer from as well, |
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Mac,
What you probably dont know is that Dave shows up here every six months and pulls this suicide shit, he has been doing it for many years.
almost always his suicide threads are deleted.
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Re: Posts concerning suicide, just thoughts
« Reply #17 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 7:43pm » |
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Mac - You don't need to apologize to me. I was simply trying to ascertain the meaning of what you had written. With your explanation I think I now have that.
I apologize to you for using "WTF." That was over the top and rude, and I could have been more polite.
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« Reply #18 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 8:11pm » |
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Brew, Thanks.... and with what Jonny just told me we are on the same page now. I think I will blame this all on jonny ! Hey why not?
Jonny, No I sure didn't know that. While I am feeling a tad more stupid than my normal stupid just now, the questions of opinions remain valid if ony to me? I heal like a Victorian virgin, so I can live with it...
My pm box is fillin' up pretty fast too.
It is odd there is all I will say, with yeah and nay.... Those will be secrets forever... One of my motos in life is Live and Squirm.
I figured posting this might have a certain pay back, and what I don't know is what that will be.... I am about to find that out too.. mac
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« Reply #19 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 8:30pm » |
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Personally I think the whole suicide/Cluster relationship and connection is a contrived crock of shit.
I 've met literally hundreds of suffers through this board and in person and guess what? To the best of my knowledge they are still trucking along.
The six month drama threads keep popping up but guess what? That individual isn't gone either.
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Re: Posts concerning suicide, just thoughts
« Reply #20 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 8:34pm » |
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My issues were not "only" CH related........
but like I said it's good to be able to discuss such hard issues openly. really and I am truly glad they can be. Because HOPEFULLY someone else can learn something from mine or others hardtimes. These emotional issues are hard issues and I am one for learning from my own mistakes or taking some lessons from other ppls mistakes.
So I hope someone out there realizes that suicide is NOT the answer to anything and if u do succeed you are hurting someone somewhere sometime, even if it's not someone u know personally.
If I had succeeded I would have permanently hurt ppl I know, ppl that love me or look up to me.
Tara the "martyr" would have changed the course of more lives than I care to admit if I suceeded in my suiced attempts. I don't carry that martyr torch anymore but I do realize that I am a wanted/loved/cared about person .....
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« Reply #21 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 8:37pm » |
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on Feb 28th, 2007, 8:30pm, chewy wrote:Personally I think the whole suicide/Cluster relationship and connection is a contrived crock of shit.
I 've met literally hundreds of suffers through this board and in person and guess what? To the best of my knowledge they are still trucking along.
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You've got to stop holding it inside like this. It's gonna eat you up, man!
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« Reply #22 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 8:38pm » |
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What Chewy said!
Ive been to six conventions and numerous get togethers and ALL of the hundreds of people I met are still alive!
The name "Suicide headache" is pure bull-shit!!!
It may happen far and few between....but we should not be stuck with that lable
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« Reply #23 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 8:41pm » |
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LMAO! I've got to stop sugar coating things.
I'll start now.
This thread has no fucking place on a CH treatment and support site. Take it to a suicide prevention site if you are so compelled to discuss a phenomenon that that just does not happen in direct relation to CH.
Waste of CH space.
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Re: Posts concerning suicide, just thoughts
« Reply #24 on: Feb 28th, 2007, 8:45pm » |
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I'm sorry but regardless of the source or the reason... suicide is not a joke or something to dog...
my personal issues were more than 5yrs ago so I am not taking you not a very nice person's being a$$holes personally but DAMN it's just lame that u ppl would be so insensitive about a really real subject....... I'm so flustered I can't come up with the proper words to describe what as$$holes u are!!!!!!!!
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