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Quote:| WASHINGTON — The Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Wednesday passed a nonbinding resolution that concludes "it is not in the national interest of the United States" to deepen U.S. military involvement in Iraq. |
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And the politicians have succeded in creating another Nam.
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Re: Nam Again
« Reply #1 on: Jan 24th, 2007, 7:11pm » |
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Yeah, it sounds fimiliar that our guys can RETURN fire, but have to ASK PERMISSION to engage the enemy when they come across them.
What a fucking sick mother fucking joke....politicians are the ones getting our guys killed!!
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on Jan 24th, 2007, 7:11pm, Jonny wrote:Yeah, it sounds fimiliar that our guys can RETURN fire, but have to ASK PERMISSION to engage the enemy when they come across them.
What a fucking sick mother fucking joke....politicians are the ones getting our guys killed!!
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The only politicians that have had any real influence on the mission and the methods used in Iraq are named George and Dick. The possiblity that the Senate might pass a symbolic resolution saying they don't like things wouldn't change a thing. The current administration has had a free hand to do whatever they have wanted, and if any Americans get credit for killing our guys, it should be them.
Get over your Stockholm syndrome, Jonny!
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Re: Nam Again
« Reply #3 on: Jan 24th, 2007, 7:35pm » |
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on Jan 24th, 2007, 6:59pm, Bob P wrote:
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So our national interest as of now is to send everyone home?
If we did that I hope that I am alive in twenty years to see what that region would look like.
How about we consider winning and finishing the job for national interests sake, for a change!
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The bipartisan Baker Commission (headed by President Reagan's former Sec. of State) made it clear that it was in our best interest to see this as primarily a political problem, and act accordingly. Unfortunately, that advice from some of America's best has fallen on deaf ears. How many times in the last month has President Bush pretended that there is no other plan than his?
The current strategy is not working, and there is no reason to believe that a 12% increase in the current strategy will be any better. The increase in troop levels will happen regardless of what the Congress or the American public thinks.
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Re: Nam Again
« Reply #5 on: Jan 24th, 2007, 7:50pm » |
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Why is it that it took seven days to kill this hotel?
U.S. Air Force Drops a 2,000 Pound Bomb.
Marines took small arms fire and RPG fire from mutiple levels and windows from this hotel. After two HELL FIRE missions from a Apache the ... all » Marines pulled back and called the Air Force to demolish the hotel with a 2,000lb bomb. Unknown amount of insurgents killed, could not find any bodies due to the aftermath. The hotel has been vacant and off limits since 2004. No innocent people were killed during this bombing.
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Re: Nam Again
« Reply #6 on: Jan 24th, 2007, 7:56pm » |
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The psychos that we aren't fighting are the scary ones.
They want us dead but until we invaded the wrong country, recruiting wasn't so easy. We fixed that.
No, I don't want us to lower our guard, just take better aim. It would be less costly in so many ways.
It's important that we not forget what we are dealing with. These crackpots are now using this war as a way of getting kids to believe that mass murder is the way to eternal bliss.
Not good.
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on Jan 24th, 2007, 7:50pm, Jonny wrote:Why is it that it took seven days to kill this hotel?
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It should be obvious - because when the military set their rules of engagement, they didn't go through the normal chain of command - they were waiting for approval from the Liberal Church Association of Greater Duluth. The Association only meets on Tuesday, so sometimes things get delayed a week or so.
So you are saying the military is dysfunctional, but that it is the liberal politicians causing the problem? Kinda hard to read that from the video (or the news).
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Re: Nam Again
« Reply #8 on: Jan 24th, 2007, 8:34pm » |
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The enemy has made their mission perfectly clear. Fight them in their country, or fight them here. But we will be fighting them 5 years from now. The only queswtion is where.
I don't know why we struggle with the concept when they speak it very clearly. Our options are :
1: Convert to muslim
2: Die
Sorry to those of you who can't stomach the horror of war. Leaving Iraq will only change WHERE the fighting occurs, have you forgotting the twin towers already??? These people will not be appeased, they won't "be nice" to us if we suck up to them. Just my two cents.
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Re: Nam Again
« Reply #9 on: Jan 24th, 2007, 8:48pm » |
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on Jan 24th, 2007, 8:34pm, Guiseppi wrote:Our options are :
1: Convert to muslim
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And actually the bin Laden extremists aren't so interested in the first option. They forgot to ask us option #1 before the attack.
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Re: Nam Again
« Reply #10 on: Jan 24th, 2007, 8:50pm » |
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on Jan 24th, 2007, 8:34pm, Guiseppi wrote:
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3. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e943dcabb3
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Quote:If we did that I hope that I am alive in twenty years to see what that region would look like.
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Probably exactly as it did before we went in there. Just new players.
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Re: Nam Again
« Reply #12 on: Jan 24th, 2007, 9:13pm » |
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I would love to know Flos thoughts on this video.
If civilians are killed in this fire fight, who do you blame, Flo?
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Re: Nam Again
« Reply #13 on: Jan 25th, 2007, 5:37am » |
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The bad part is our kids who are being killed and mamed because of this.
This weekend in San Antonio, a hospital is being dedicated to take care of our wounded. This hospital was built with CIVILIAN "donated" money (tax dollars did NOT build it). We can send them over to Iraq to get torn up, but the government isn't taking care of them when they get home.
We're having trials for "high" officials (shades of the Nixon era) -- yep it looks a lot like another Nam....
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Re: Nam Again
« Reply #14 on: Jan 25th, 2007, 7:11am » |
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on Jan 24th, 2007, 6:59pm, Bob P wrote:
And the politicians have succeded in creating another Nam. |
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Ironically, it's the politicians YOU backed....
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Re: Nam Again
« Reply #15 on: Jan 25th, 2007, 9:24am » |
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on Jan 24th, 2007, 8:34pm, Guiseppi wrote:The enemy has made their mission perfectly clear. Fight them in their country, or fight them here. But we will be fighting them 5 years from now. The only queswtion is where.
I don't know why we struggle with the concept when they speak it very clearly. Our options are :
1: Convert to muslim
2: Die
Sorry to those of you who can't stomach the horror of war. Leaving Iraq will only change WHERE the fighting occurs, have you forgotting the twin towers already??? These people will not be appeased, they won't "be nice" to us if we suck up to them. Just my two cents.
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I agree, the USA needs to do something about radical extremists. That is why I am so pissed off that Bush decided to make Iraq a democracy when fighting terrorists should have been the highest priority.
In terms of forcing Iraq to be a democracy, the USA has done a lot. In terms of fighting terrorists to either protect our future or avenge our past, the USA has done very little.
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Quote:In terms of fighting terrorists to either protect our future or avenge our past, the USA has done very little.
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Thats due to Bush's convoluted philosophy that a free domocratic society will defeat terrorists and insurgients.
Problem is niether terrorists nor insurgients recognize the concept.
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Re: Nam Again
« Reply #17 on: Jan 25th, 2007, 9:36am » |
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What made Nam the mess it turned out to be was:
The American public lacked the conviction of their forefathers to fight a war to it's successful end;
The spinless politicians were more worried about how many votes they would get in the election than they were committed to backig the Pres. in the war effort.
Americans never lost a battle in Nam. Escalation, i.e. B-52 strikes on Hanoi, brought the north back to the bargaining table.
It's dejavu all over again and I really find it disgusting!
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Re: Nam Again
« Reply #18 on: Jan 25th, 2007, 9:40am » |
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 I feel the parallels to Nam are indeed over lapping and obvious, not only from a political stand point, but from the tactics used by the Insurgents and the way the populace isn't standing up for their own benefit.
Cut and run in the face of any military action and let the insurgents roam about freely without any repercussions from the Locals.
Feels just like the South Vietnamese Army did back in the day! Pappy
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Re: Nam Again
« Reply #19 on: Jan 25th, 2007, 9:46am » |
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After 9/11 everyone was in favor blasting the hell out of Iraq, Rep and Dem alike
But when things go bad its all [BUSH]
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Re: Nam Again
« Reply #20 on: Jan 25th, 2007, 11:02am » |
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on Jan 25th, 2007, 9:46am, Tim_w wrote:After 9/11 everyone was in favor blasting the hell out of Iraq, Rep and Dem alike
But when things go bad its all [BUSH]
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After 9/11, we were in favor of blasting the hell out of Afghanistan, NOT Iraq; that urge came later.
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on Jan 24th, 2007, 9:13pm, Jonny wrote:
I realize that sometimes civilians are going to be killed. This is not really an issue to the American people. But the military themselves have had a strong motivation to minimize collateral damage, because the idea that the US is not concerned with civilian life would make their job harder. So they set up their own rules of engagement that balance two objectives - neutralizing hostile forces, and not alienating the occupied population.
I would like to see Jonny explain why we ignored (and continue to ignore) military doctrine about the ratio of soldiers to insurgents, or of soldiers to the general population. If we really want to pacify Iraq, we need 500,000 to 1,000,000 troops there according to everything that is taught in our military academies. We have about 150,000 and are raising that to 170,000 ... as the country we are trying to control slides deeper into civil war.
Who was it that ignored these basic principles of fighting? Who fired the generals that said we need more troops? What politicians have been naively optimistic about what it would take?
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Re: Nam Again
« Reply #22 on: Jan 25th, 2007, 12:24pm » |
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I totally agree with Flo. We should up the troop level!
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Re: Nam Again
« Reply #23 on: Jan 25th, 2007, 12:27pm » |
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on Jan 25th, 2007, 12:24pm, Bob P wrote:| I totally agree with Flo. We should up the troop level! |
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Re: Nam Again
« Reply #24 on: Jan 25th, 2007, 1:01pm » |
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on Jan 25th, 2007, 9:46am, Tim_w wrote:After 9/11 everyone was in favor blasting the hell out of Iraq, Rep and Dem alike
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No, everyone was in favor of blasting the hell out of terrorists, whether they are in Pakistan, Afganistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan........ANYWHERE!!!
Bush decided to invaded Iraq instead, because 148 Kurds were killed back in 1982.
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