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Michael Richards... Kramer
« on: Nov 21st, 2006, 7:25am » |
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ok... I dont usually start threads like this but since you all ripped Mel Gibson apart... How do you feel about what Michael Richards did at that comedy club the other night... HE WASN'T EVEN DRUNK... but I'll bet you feel sorrier for the funny guy...I am so curious to see what you all think... I personally think he is in need of serious psychotherapy... at least Mel was drunk...
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Re: Michael Richards... Kramer
« Reply #1 on: Nov 21st, 2006, 7:42am » |
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He says it was anger, not bigotry, that fueled his tirade.
I say that if anger trips that big of a switch in you and starts revealing those kinds of sentiments, well you got issues, buddy. You can tell yourself you're not a racist all you want. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
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Re: Michael Richards... Kramer
« Reply #2 on: Nov 21st, 2006, 8:02am » |
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in all fairness, I told somebody that he went "Mel Gibson" on 2 people in the crowd.
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Re: Michael Richards... Kramer
« Reply #3 on: Nov 21st, 2006, 8:49am » |
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The guy is a scumbag.
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Re: Michael Richards... Kramer
« Reply #4 on: Nov 21st, 2006, 8:50am » |
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Already has a book and movie deal.
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Re: Michael Richards... Kramer
« Reply #5 on: Nov 21st, 2006, 9:06am » |
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be assured it will be something that caused him to "go off". No one ever accepts full responsibility for vile outbursts like this. it will either be prescription drugs, unprescribed drugs, chemical imbalance, untreated manic depression, long history of sexual addiction, or bad chinese food.
there is no such things as contriteness anymore.
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Re: Michael Richards... Kramer
« Reply #6 on: Nov 21st, 2006, 9:08am » |
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What he did was 100% wrong but until certain words, terms and phrases become UNIVERSALLY unacceptable no matter who says them, the double standards will continue.
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Re: Michael Richards... Kramer
« Reply #7 on: Nov 21st, 2006, 9:18am » |
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He wasn't that good on Seinfeld.... Just because he's a "celeberty" doesn't mean he can do as he pleases - mad or not! Going on TV and apologizing just dosen't get it.... He needs help and NO career....
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Re: Michael Richards... Kramer
« Reply #8 on: Nov 21st, 2006, 9:20am » |
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He's funny on Seinfeld, but looked like an azz in public the other night. But, Why would someone go to a show just to heckle someone anyway ? They were being azzes too !
Personally, if he would have made a direct presonal attack on me (especially in front of everyone) ... I would've had to stomp up there and kick his azz !!
BTW...he was probably on coke and will be in the Betty Ford Rehab Clinic soon ! lol
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Re: Michael Richards... Kramer
« Reply #9 on: Nov 21st, 2006, 11:08am » |
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The thing is that this was closer to the surface than certainly most people. Some level of racism exists in most everyone but this was obviously something different. A shame really. He's been okay in the few dramatic parts that he played too.
He's not going to ilicit the kind of sympathy that Hollywood hunks depend on. I don't think he can rely much on fallout from the next idiotic entertainer display. This was unreal.
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Re: Michael Richards... Kramer
« Reply #10 on: Nov 21st, 2006, 2:14pm » |
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I think the only people who will be mad at him will be black people. Just like the only people honestly mad at Mel Gibson were jewish, on that last thread the non-jewish people just wanted the jewish folks on this board to like them so they jumped on the outrage bandwagon.
He sure does seem like a bigger jerk than Mel though, his racism was just plain mean as oppossed to paranoid.
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Re: Michael Richards... Kramer
« Reply #11 on: Nov 21st, 2006, 2:17pm » |
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on Nov 21st, 2006, 2:14pm, john_d wrote:| Just like the only people honestly mad at Mel Gibson were jewish, on that last thread the non-jewish people just wanted the jewish folks on this board to like them so they jumped on the outrage bandwagon. |
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you're kiddin' right?
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Re: Michael Richards... Kramer
« Reply #12 on: Nov 21st, 2006, 2:27pm » |
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on Nov 21st, 2006, 2:14pm, john_d wrote:| I think the only people who will be mad at him will be black people. Just like the only people honestly mad at Mel Gibson were jewish, . |
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 um...wrong on both counts. I was mad at both incidents and I belong to neither of the two categories you so clearly defined. And now I'm a little bit mad at you, too. Seriously, WTF?
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« Reply #13 on: Nov 21st, 2006, 2:29pm » |
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on Nov 21st, 2006, 2:27pm, Margi wrote:
um...wrong on both counts. I was mad at both incidents and I belong to neither of the two categories you so clearly defined. And now I'm a little bit mad at you, too. Seriously, WTF? |
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I am sure, I don't think you would miss a chance to get mad.
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Re: Michael Richards... Kramer
« Reply #14 on: Nov 21st, 2006, 2:34pm » |
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on Nov 21st, 2006, 2:14pm, john_d wrote:| He sure does seem like a bigger jerk than Mel though, his racism was just plain mean as oppossed to paranoid. |
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 Said Mr. Pot to Mr. Kettle.
Seriously, WTF is your problem, John? After your last post, I think you've got them both beat.
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« Reply #15 on: Nov 21st, 2006, 2:47pm » |
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on Nov 21st, 2006, 2:34pm, Margi wrote:
Said Mr. Pot to Mr. Kettle.
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Well, you got me there, touche
It's what i think and it's what I thought at the time. It's important to note that I said angry, I did not say indignant, or dissappointed or a whole gambit of emotions that would be associated with disagreement.
To throw fuel on the fire, I also thought that the american jewish population where especially TO'd at Mr. Gibson because of what was happening in Isreal at the time and they were feeling especially vulnerable. That and the above are just an opinion. Maybe lots of folks will think less of me for them, but you know what, today I don't care. However, believe me when I say no disrespect is intended. Have a good thanksgiving.
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Re: Michael Richards... Kramer
« Reply #16 on: Nov 21st, 2006, 2:53pm » |
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on Nov 21st, 2006, 2:47pm, john_d wrote:| Have a good thanksgiving. |
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Re: Michael Richards... Kramer
« Reply #17 on: Nov 21st, 2006, 2:54pm » |
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on Nov 21st, 2006, 2:47pm, john_d wrote:
Maybe lots of folks will think less of me for them, but you know what, today I don't care. However, believe me when I say no disrespect is intended. Have a good thanksgiving. |
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The fact that you don't care is obvious. No disrespect intended though, of course. Have a thoughtful thanksgiving.
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The fact that you don't care is obvious. No disrespect intended though, of course. Have a thoughtful thanksgiving.
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Scott and Margi, I apologize. Like the bible says, it's what comes out of a man's mouth that defiles him, what I said was truly thoughtless and arrogant. Racism is wrong on all counts and frankly it's just ugly. I'm done.
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Re: Michael Richards... Kramer
« Reply #19 on: Nov 21st, 2006, 4:16pm » |
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I just watched this little videa with a girlfriend of mine here at work. On a side note she is black. Cant say that I was shocked having grow up around it, both sides of it. But this was an extreeme.
This goes beyond racism and is truely hatred. And for him to try and play it off in the "act" as saying that "these words still shock" He knew he f'ed up. And there was no saving it.
I watched the video of Sinbads take on it. I somehow doubt that Kramer will have the nerves to follow Sinbads advice and follow Mel's lead and speak at an all black church to appologise.
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Re: Michael Richards... Kramer
« Reply #20 on: Nov 21st, 2006, 4:42pm » |
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I also just watched this video on the web and I would call this hate based racism pure and simple. The thing that bothers me is that if you have kids (or are one) yhat listen to Rap, you will hear those same words used over and over. If you have ever been to a Chris Rock show you will hear those words used while you are LYAO!
The context in Richards case are what makes me think he is a lowlife racist jerk, but the question remains , why is it ok for one group to use such terms for entertainment value and yet if used even without Mr. Richards invective attitude be "fighting words" if used by a white person?
And no I am not a racist, just asking the question.
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Re: Michael Richards... Kramer
« Reply #21 on: Nov 21st, 2006, 5:17pm » |
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I don't know Tim, but if I were to call Chewy an alien goat fucker, it's probably bouncing back as,
"You tink your beter than me?"
If I call a newby or others the same it would be taken differently and wouldn't be right, and vise versa, someone in anger saying the same to Chewy.
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Re: Michael Richards... Kramer
« Reply #23 on: Nov 21st, 2006, 5:47pm » |
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I'll file it under "theres no such thing as bad publicity". that being said, I haven't seen it,nor do I care to....I have better things to do and worry about....such as wondering If Tony Romo is banging Jessica Simpson
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Re: Michael Richards... Kramer
« Reply #24 on: Nov 21st, 2006, 5:55pm » |
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Tim
The Black girl that I work with said in answer to your question.
Because he is not Black. Only a Black person can use those words as it is the black race that "has stuggled" to stop the use of that doragatory name calling. Also Richards brought up history at the beginning with the "40 years ago" comment, and that in and of itself was beyond what is allowable.
They entire thing makes me sick. It is simply the fact that she was "under pressure" and could not deal with being heckled, which is something that all stand up's have to deal with.
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