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Serious question: Why are you a Republican?
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I honestly don't understand how so many average Americans could consider themselves beneficiaries of Republican policy.
Republican economic policy benefits only the very richest organizations. If you disagree with this statement, could you please give an example of a Republican economic policy that has benefited you.
Republican environmental policy sacrifices our environment and the environment of future generations, again to satisfy corporate greed. If you disagree with this statement, please give an example of a Republican environmental policy that has made our world cleaner, safer or otherwise improved our world.
The Republican Iraq war plan is a complete failure. Did the Bush White House believe the war in Iraq would turn out this way? If they didn't, then they are incompetent. If they did expect the turmoil and civil war, then they have been misleading us. The U.S. Military is not at fault for the Iraq disaster. The U.S. Military didn't choose this war. The U.S. Military has been fighting this war with one hand tied behind its' back and no boots for its' feet.... all courtesy of the Bush White House. If you disagree with these statements about the war, please give constructive reasons for your position.
I know that, although not my intention, this post could be inflamatory. I am passionate about my political views and understand that many people on this board are probably passionately Republican. Please don't take my post as an attack on you, but as an opportunity to enlighten me.
I am Donna H and I approved of this post.
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Re: Serious question: Why are you a Republican?
« Reply #1 on: Nov 1st, 2006, 5:18pm » |
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Good post Donna. And I just can't disagree with your statements.
Now maybe after I win the lottery, I'll have some answers for you... 
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Re: Serious question: Why are you a Republican?
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Beneficiary of the Republican Party?
When I was a kid, I moved around a lot. Not a military brat, just had a pretty unstable single-parent mother. Because of that, I was 'the new kid' at about 30 (not exaggerating) different schools. More often than not, maybe because of my appearance or attitude, the resident school bully (or team of bullies) would descend on 'the new kid' and test me out. First the insults to see of I would react, then the outright picking of a fight. Sometimes, I would end up in a fist fight, and blood would be spilled. Maybe mine, maybe his, but usually these things end up bloody.
Did I want to fight? No. Did I intend to win when I was forced to fight? Hell yes. Did I always know what my enemy was going to do? Hmmmm..... nope. Did I always have a rock-solid plan to win? Well, I tried out everything I had learned until that point and adjusted as I learned new things.
What does all that mean anyway?
I think we were forced to fight when we were attacked on 9/11. I don't think we could have had a comprehensive plan for victory even if we had 20/20 hindsight to begin with... It simply wasn't possible to plan it, but we had to fight.
I feel I am a beneficiary of the Republican Party because my Party has chosen to fight, and I believe we have chosen the right fight. I think it's easy for Democrats to criticize the war, but they offer me no security. They have no plan, except to do away with all the people who did anything at all. I feel thankful that the GOP is still there for now. Ya, we pissed of some jihadists... what do you think this is? We are in a holy war whether you want to believe it or not! The enemy started this war, and to them it is a holy war. We are in a HOLY WAR (what an oxymoron). We don't get the luxury of defining this war... we only recently even admitted it is going on. We were attacked long before 9/11 and the attacks are still going on US soil but the media is not reporting it. Whatever. The fact remains, this is a holy war and the enemy doesn't give a shit what we think, they want ALL of us, regardless of party affiliation, DEAD. Not hurt... DEAD. Their doctrine DEMANDS it.
So, if we are in a holy war, what comfort does the Democrat Party give you? Seriously, do you think the jihadists are going to stop attacking us just because we elect a Democrat?
Lemme see...
I'll vote Republican, thank you.
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Re: Serious question: Why are you a Republican?
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Re: Serious question: Why are you a Republican?
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Re: Serious question: Why are you a Republic
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on Nov 1st, 2006, 5:14pm, DonnaHar wrote:| Republican economic policy benefits only the very richest organizations. If you disagree with this statement, could you please give an example of a Republican economic policy that has benefited you. |
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Republican economic policy = lower taxes.
Lower taxes = I keep more of the money I've earned.
I keep more of the money I've earned = Spending, saving, stimulating the economy.
Our forefathers were willing to engage the King's military machine over what amounted to a half percent increase in the tax they paid. Today, people all around me roll over and open their wallets to the government, surrendering 20%, 30%, 40% and more.
Here's another one liberals don't get: a cut in tax rates creates more tax revenue. When people are required to pay less, there's more compliance.
I don't see how these things are so difficult to understand....
One last thing. I am not a Republican, although I end up voting that way most of the time. Only because Republicans are a little closer to what I consider true conservatism. But not much closer. All of American politics is designed to pander to the 20% or so in the middle who are wishy-washy and usually end up deciding elections.
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on Nov 1st, 2006, 5:52pm, brewcrew wrote:
... cut in tax rates creates more tax revenue. When people are required to pay less, there's more compliance.
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That's only occasionally true. If it were always true, why not cut the income tax and the sales tax to 0.001%? Would that create enough revenue to erase the deficit?
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Re: Serious question: Why are you a Republican?
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Republican policies don't punish you for being successful. Liberal philosophy is if you are successful and make lots of money, you should have to pay more to help those who don't have as much as you. Now there's a freakin'incentive to work hard!
Benifit - I'm typical blue collar and I've paid a lot less in taxes the past few years (no matter what Barb thinks she knows).
War - see my comment re spinless whiners in the Kerry thread.
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Re: Serious question: Why are you a Republic
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on Nov 1st, 2006, 6:09pm, floridian wrote:
That's only occasionally true. If it were always true, why not cut the income tax and the sales tax to 0.001%? Would that create enough revenue to erase the deficit?
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You're so silly. You're a silly goose.
It's a simplification for brevity's sake. And for all the troops in Iraq who might not understand.
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First, I am not a Republican. I am a conservative.
on Nov 1st, 2006, 5:14pm, DonnaHar wrote:
Republican economic policy benefits only the very richest organizations. If you disagree with this statement, could you please give an example of a Republican economic policy that has benefited you.
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The trip to England was paid for by the tax cuts. I work hard for my money, I would like to be able to enjoy some of it.
on Nov 1st, 2006, 5:14pm, DonnaHar wrote:
Republican environmental policy sacrifices our environment and the environment of future generations, again to satisfy corporate greed. If you disagree with this statement, please give an example of a Republican environmental policy that has made our world cleaner, safer or otherwise improved our world.
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President Bush plans to designate an island chain spanning nearly 1,400 miles of the Pacific northwest of Hawaii as a national monument today, creating the largest protected marine reserve in the world, according to sources familiar with the plan.
on Nov 1st, 2006, 5:14pm, DonnaHar wrote:
The Republican Iraq war plan is a complete failure. Did the Bush White House believe the war in Iraq would turn out this way? If they didn't, then they are incompetent. If they did expect the turmoil and civil war, then they have been misleading us. The U.S. Military is not at fault for the Iraq disaster. The U.S. Military didn't choose this war. The U.S. Military has been fighting this war with one hand tied behind its' back and no boots for its' feet.... all courtesy of the Bush White House. If you disagree with these statements about the war, please give constructive reasons for your position.
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War is war. Plans change to counter the enemy's plans. War is not what war used to be. We could have carpet and fire bombed Iraq like we did Germany and Japan. Would this have been better? Would man handling 20 million people into submission. You might want to research the German werewolves. The aftermath of WW2 was not bloodless.
Most of all I vote Republican because my conscience requires me to. Do I agree with all Republican principles? No, just more than I do with liberal ones.
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Re: Serious question: Why are you a Republican?
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Well said Matt. You too Brew.
Come to California and try to start up a business. I'll put dollars to donuts you would pack up and run as fast as you can when you see just what rules and regulations the Democrats try to pass. I'm a member of the California Chamber of Commerce and it's amazing what these guys are doing to small business here.
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Re: Serious question: Why are you a Republican?
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I am not a Republican. Although at one time I was leaning more toward them than the Democrats. Ronald Reagan cured me of that , with his trickle down theory. All I got was the urine at the bottom of the pissing post. I ask anyone of the right, why are we always more in debt with a Republican than a Demoract. I miss Bill.
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on Nov 1st, 2006, 7:13pm, lashultz wrote:| I ask anyone of the right, why are we always more in debt with a Republican than a Demoract. |
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It's simple, Lee. Because these people who call themselves conservatives continue to spend like drunken sailors, even though the money's not there. This is not a conservative value. At least a drunken sailor has to stop when there's no more money in his pocket. "Conservative" would be buying goods and services when you can afford to pay for them, and then borrowing modest amounts when the payments fit into your budget.
These Republicans - Bush included - are not in any sense of the word fiscally conservative. Clinton was actually more fiscally conservative than Bush.
This is why I no longer call myself a Republican. I DO call myself a conservative, although the two words have become interchangable in the mainstream media.
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Re: Serious question: Why are you a Republic
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on Nov 1st, 2006, 7:22pm, brewcrew wrote:
It's simple, Lee. Because these people who call themselves conservatives continue to spend like drunken sailors
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Re: Serious question: Why are you a Republican?
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A lot of the points made above, and I get to keep my guns.
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Bush is not a conservative.
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Re: Serious question: Why are you a Republican?
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I have to agree with everything Donna wrote.
I was a Republican when the party still existed. It no longer does. As Bill Mahrer said: The Republicans were admirable when they were the mean old men watching our purse strings. They are now a bunch of nosy, if it's fun, it's a sin, pulpit-pounders spending money at undreamed of levels.
When they discovered that they had been the underdogs for so long because they lacked a coherant social message, they looked for something that would work. They found it when they got behind those shining lights of social justice and clear thought: Ralph Reed, James Dobson, Jerry Falwell and other Pat Robertson-style millionaires yearning for the good old days of the mid-19th century. Goldwater hated these people. The Christian Right is more right than Christian and and they aren't paying attention.
Taxes? The 1950s and the early 1960s are usually considered the most prosperous and benevolent for waspy Americans. The tax rates on the very rich scraped 90% in some cases. It was nothing to brag about but it had the effect of creating the middle class. It was a rare time when a few of the right people got some disposable income to buy cars from these same rich people. The big difference is that these were men with some social conscience and much less greed than today. I suppose it was socialist. If so, bring it on anyway. It hurt no one.
The Democrats have a pretty good history of fighting. We had Democrats in the White House for WWI, WWII, Korea, A lot of Vietman. The Republicans fought FDR tooth and nail in his war preparations and even support of Britain until Pearl Harbor. You can't tell us that Repubicans are the only ones to handle national emergencies.
Anyway, most kids start with the politics of their parents. I did and stuck with the Republicans until they kicked out the Libertarian wing. It's a shame. It did the country more good than harm then.
Oh, Matt, I'm a conservative too but on the other side of the aisle. I have to live with myself.
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Re: Serious question: Why are you a Republican?
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That's like asking -
Why are all the Catholics - STILL Catholic??
#1. The lesser of two evils is still evil.
#2. When you get right down to it - they're ALL politicians, who need votes...... who lie to get them........ and who you can never trust.
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on Nov 1st, 2006, 5:41pm, fubar wrote:
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Al-Queda attacked us, not Saddam. Saddam was a decadent dictator, not a religious jihadist. The religious jihadist, Al-Queda sympathetic Iranians hated Saddam. They fought a war with Saddam........the Iran-Iraq war. While the Republican party led by Bush has been protecting you, bin Laden, who did attack us on 9/11, is still free and Iran, who does back Al-Queda, is about to make a nuclear bomb.
on Nov 1st, 2006, 5:41pm, fubar wrote:
I feel I am a beneficiary of the Republican Party because my Party has chosen to fight, and I believe we have chosen the right fight. I think it's easy for Democrats to criticize the war, but they offer me no security. They have no plan, except to do away with all the people who did anything at all. I feel thankful that the GOP is still there for now. Ya, we pissed of some jihadists... what do you think this is? We are in a holy war whether you want to believe it or not! The enemy started this war, and to them it is a holy war. We are in a HOLY WAR (what an oxymoron). We don't get the luxury of defining this war... we only recently even admitted it is going on. We were attacked long before 9/11 and the attacks are still going on US soil but the media is not reporting it. Whatever. The fact remains, this is a holy war and the enemy doesn't give a shit what we think, they want ALL of us, regardless of party affiliation, DEAD. Not hurt... DEAD. Their doctrine DEMANDS it.
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I don't like Saddam. He was an evil dictator. There are many evil dictators and totalitarian regimes world wide, not activly attacking us. Going to war with them won't make us more secure. Going to war with them will distract us from the fight we need to win. I know this is a holy war. Do you know the enemy?
Do you think Iran is not full of jihadists? It is led by a jihadist. Do you think Saddam would have stood for Iran going nuclear? He would have been fighting to stop it. Bush has given Iran relief from it's biggest enemy and the confusion it needed to make atomic weapons almost unopposed. Bush has put us in a terrible position. We must win in Iraq. If we lose we give it to Iran.
What comfort has the Republican party given you? The Iranian nuclear bomb soon to be? bin Laden still activly taking verbal, if not violent, swipes at us? How about North Korea with an atomic bomb, and missiles to drop it on California? Don't mistake reckless aggression for security.
Bush did lead us against Afganistan. Why, why didn't he finish the job ? Why is the Taliban still active in Afganistan ? We have been distacted by Iraq!
Republican foriegn policy in general, and their execution of the war on terror specifically, is indicative of complete incompetency.
Do the Democrats have the answer to our problems in Iraq? I don't know. Do the Republicans? The first step in solving a problem is admitting you have one.
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Re: Serious question: Why are you a Republican?
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on Nov 1st, 2006, 9:21pm, DonnaHar wrote:| Do the Democrats have the answer to our problems in Iraq? I don't know. Do the Republicans? The first step in solving a problem is admitting you have one. |
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So please tell us, Donna....who do you think is capable of handeling this problem?
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Republicians used to stand for being fiscal conservitave but as all to often happens once in power for a while they learn where the cash drawer is just as the Dems. did when they held the purse strings. The only way to stop it is to have term limits and once the term is up they are banished forever to the private sector where they have to live within the constraints of the laws they passed, taxes they levied and freedoms they take away.
The reason I vote Republician for the most part is because the Dems. (the likes of Pelosi, Fat Ted, et.al.) believe more gov. = good. The Dems. need poor people for without them their party would cease to exist. Think about it...Do you really believe they want a society of happy self sufficient people?
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Re: Serious question: Why are you a Republican?
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on Nov 1st, 2006, 5:14pm, DonnaHar wrote:Why are you a Republican?
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Why? Because like most Republicans I kant spell very well. When I went to reister to vote I couldn't remember how to spel demmocrat so i just put republican. And dats why I was drafted in to the Army and sent to a war.
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on Nov 1st, 2006, 9:01pm, Woobie wrote:That's like asking -
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I'm not.
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on Nov 1st, 2006, 5:52pm, brewcrew wrote:
Republican economic policy = lower taxes.
Lower taxes = I keep more of the money I've earned.
I keep more of the money I've earned = Spending, saving, stimulating the economy.
Our forefathers were willing to engage the King's military machine over what amounted to a half percent increase in the tax they paid. Today, people all around me roll over and open their wallets to the government, surrendering 20%, 30%, 40% and more.
Here's another one liberals don't get: a cut in tax rates creates more tax revenue. When people are required to pay less, there's more compliance.
I don't see how these things are so difficult to understand....
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The Bush Tax Cuts for Top 1% Could Have Bridged State Fiscal Gaps
For fiscal years 2002-2004, state governments closed approximately $200 billion in budget gaps by raising taxes and fees and by cutting services. During those same years, newly enacted federal tax cuts delivered about as much money — $197.3 billion — in new tax breaks for the wealthiest 1% of Americans (households making more than $337,000 a year). Had that money instead been directed to state fiscal aid, it could have prevented virtually all recent tax hikes and service cuts at the state level, which fall hardest on low- and middle-income Americans.
Recent Tax Changes Are Tax Shifts, Not Tax Cuts
The choice to send nearly $200 billion to the top 1% rather than to state governments highlights just one way in which the federal tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 are actually tax shifts, not tax cuts, for the vast majority of Americans.
Most Americans Can Sense These Tax Shifts
While many of the tax shifts are not yet well known, a majority of Americans sense the bait and switch nature of the tax cuts. Only 19% of Americans said in a recent poll that their tax burden had actually been eased by the Bush administration’s economic policies.
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brewcrew: if you make more than $337,000 a year then you got a tax cut and I understand why you vote Republican. If you don't than your party is lying to you.
Ninty eight or so percent of U.S. citizens got a tax shift or worse, a tax increase.
Republican economic policy = tax shift .
tax shift = Rich keep more of the money I've earned.
Rich keep more of the money I've earned = I got the shift shaft.
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