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Is this not wrong?
« on: Oct 19th, 2006, 10:12am » |
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A truckload of illegals running from border patrol flipped over. there are twelve of them in hospitals here in Az. One hospital said they're bill alone was going to be over a million dollars, but not to worry they get paid by a 50 million grant to Az to pay for treating illegals. i was born here have worked my whole life here and will be paying for years on my last trips to the hospital. to me this just seems wrong. People breaking the law getting free medical.
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Re: Is this not wrong?
« Reply #1 on: Oct 19th, 2006, 10:34am » |
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I agree that it's just wrong to have AZ cover charges for someone who shouldn't have been there to begin with.
Too bad they can't strap them to a gurney, add 2 hours of life support meds and equipment and roll them over the border.
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Re: Is this not wrong?
« Reply #2 on: Oct 19th, 2006, 10:38am » |
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Re: Is this not wrong?
« Reply #3 on: Oct 19th, 2006, 11:16am » |
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That is really a shame that someone who is not even supposed to be here gets more pubic/social service than you do.
And to think, there may have been citizens in need of medical attention and had to wait because they were busy taking care of illegal aliens. Such a shame.
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Re: Is this not wrong?
« Reply #4 on: Oct 19th, 2006, 11:21am » |
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on Oct 19th, 2006, 11:16am, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
And to think, there may have been citizens in need of medical attention and had to wait because they were busy taking care of illegal aliens. Such a shame.
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thats it exactly, citizens are getting screwed while illigals are riding for free
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Re: Is this not wrong?
« Reply #5 on: Oct 19th, 2006, 11:29am » |
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Learn Spanish and buy a truck. Complaining about it is about as much good as trying to piss up a rope.
It's bad enough suffering with this crap and not being able to get, or afford, the type of care that you need, but when you hear stories like that, dang!
BTW-Way wrong!
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What is wrong about it? Hospitals are required to provide emergency care regardless of residence. Given the rates they charge ($50,000 or more for a day or two in critical care), a million dollars for 12 people is not surprising.
Ready to get embedded with a microchip carrying your national ID? Then they could tell if the unconcious, bleeding person was a citizen or not.
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Re: Is this not wrong?
« Reply #7 on: Oct 19th, 2006, 11:44am » |
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They should have uprighted the truck and drove back across the border and let Mexico deal with them.
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on Oct 19th, 2006, 11:38am, floridian wrote:
We end up paying higher hospital bills or the hospitals go bankrupt.
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Re: Is this not wrong?
« Reply #9 on: Oct 19th, 2006, 11:45am » |
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The only thing I see wrong about it, is that many of th e folks suffering here, citizens, can't get the help they need. And oh yes, I understand all of the social and political reasons why not. It's still sad and frustrating.
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on Oct 19th, 2006, 11:45am, maffumatt wrote:
We end up paying higher hospital bills or the hospitals go bankrupt. |
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Yes, but do you really think that if all the illegals suddenly went back to their homelands and never visited a hospital again that healthcare premiums would go down? This isn't the reason that hospitals are closing down.
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Re: Is this not wrong?
« Reply #11 on: Oct 19th, 2006, 11:57am » |
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It's really just a short term problem. The corporations are going to solve the immigration issue eventually. The way outsourcing is going, Americans will soon be forced to work for about $1.00 an hour just to have a job. We won't have too many Mexicans fleeing here for economic opportunites anymore.
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Re: Is this not wrong?
« Reply #12 on: Oct 19th, 2006, 11:59am » |
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on Oct 19th, 2006, 11:57am, nani wrote:| The way outsourcing is going, Americans will soon be forced to work for about $1.00 an hour just to have a job. |
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So very true.
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Re: Is this not wrong?
« Reply #13 on: Oct 19th, 2006, 12:03pm » |
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on Oct 19th, 2006, 11:38am, floridian wrote:
whats wrong is that american citizens are refused health care or go broke getting it, and illegals breaking numerous laws get it for free while were paying for it in our taxes. so basically americans get billed twice.
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on Oct 19th, 2006, 12:03pm, alchemy wrote:
whats wrong is that american citizens are refused health care or go broke getting it, and illegals breaking numerous laws get it for free while were paying for it in our taxes. so basically americans get billed twice. |
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No, all emergency rooms are required to provide life-saving measures to all people, no questions asked about their immigration status - Americans, Mexicans, Eskimos from Latvia, etc. A person with blood spouting out their arm WILL get treated.
The fact that not all Americans get treated for non-life-threatening conditions is a completely different issue that people seem to be confused about. Illegal immigrants with high blood pressure dont' get free treatment. They have to wait until they get a stroke for that, just like the rest of uninsured Americans.
Lets see - uninsured illegals vs. Walmart employees that are on taxpayer funded health plans ... which costs you more? Walmart!!!
PS - I guess you didn't get the note - Habeas Corpus has been suspended. Americans are now subjects, not citizens.
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Re: Is this not wrong?
« Reply #15 on: Oct 19th, 2006, 12:22pm » |
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great point Flo, the difference is we may get treated for life threatening situations but we have to pay for it to the hospital over time in payments. illegals don't pay anything
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Re: Is this not wrong?
« Reply #16 on: Oct 19th, 2006, 12:25pm » |
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on Oct 19th, 2006, 12:22pm, alchemy wrote:| great point Flo, the difference is we may get treated for life threatening situations but we have to pay for it to the hospital over time in payments. illegals don't pay anything |
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True, but neither do the poor. And people who get certain diseases (hydrocephalus, premature birth, muscular dystrophy, etc) will take far more from the system than they (and their family) could ever pay into it. Insurance involves spreading the risks or costs among a community. It isnt like a bank account where what I put in is mine.
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Re: Is this not wrong?
« Reply #18 on: Oct 19th, 2006, 12:54pm » |
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i think that the 50 million would be better spent on our poor rather than Mexicos. i say send Mexico the bill for the people fleeing they're country cause it sucks so bad there
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Sure send Mexico the bill. It's a poor, corrupt country with an excess of machismo pride, but they could use a laugh.
What about the Gringos that break the law and give them a job that is very well paying by Mexican standards? That's the reason they come here. I can't imagine many people would risk their life crossing the desert on foot to visit North Carolina, just so they could tell people they saw it. 
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I think they should get fined the first time, jail the second time for hiring illegals.
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Re: Is this not wrong?
« Reply #21 on: Oct 19th, 2006, 5:08pm » |
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The part that kills me, Flo, is that you don't see anything wrong with it. Apparently the cynicism has begun to saturate at the cellular level.
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Re: Is this not wrong?
« Reply #22 on: Oct 19th, 2006, 5:28pm » |
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everyone just accepts the fact that this is alright. when did we get to vote on the feds creating an account for this.
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Re: Is this not wrong?
« Reply #23 on: Oct 19th, 2006, 5:35pm » |
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on Oct 19th, 2006, 5:28pm, alchemy wrote:| everyone just accepts the fact that this is alright. when did we get to vote on the feds creating an account for this. |
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We could vote on it if this were a pure democracy, but it's not. We live in a constitutional, representative republic. That's why who we vote for is so important. They're the ones voting on this shit on our behalf.
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Re: Is this not wrong?
« Reply #24 on: Oct 19th, 2006, 5:48pm » |
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on Oct 19th, 2006, 11:53am, floridian wrote:
Yes, but do you really think that if all the illegals suddenly went back to their homelands and never visited a hospital again that healthcare premiums would go down? This isn't the reason that hospitals are closing down. |
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"The influx of illegal aliens has serious hidden medical consequences," writes Madeleine Pelner Cosman, author of the report. "We judge reality primarily by what we see. But what we do not see can be more dangerous, more expensive, and more deadly than what is seen."
According to her study, 84 California hospitals are closing their doors as a direct result of the rising number of illegal aliens and their non-reimbursed tax on the system.
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