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Some State Department
« on: Jul 19th, 2006, 11:52am » |
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Can you believe the State Department was going to charge folks to get them out of Lebanon?
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Re: Some State Department
« Reply #1 on: Jul 19th, 2006, 12:20pm » |
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Yup just doesn't make sense.
You go to an area of unrest on your own to vacation or work and that damn govt just can't seem to get its shit together to give you a fast and free ride out when the shit hits the fan.
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Re: Some State Department
« Reply #2 on: Jul 19th, 2006, 12:22pm » |
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My first question is why are they there?
Second did the govt. pay to get them there?
If they are not there for some govt. reason and the govt. did not send them in the first place, then they went to a war zone prone area on their own. They should take some responsiblity to get out on their own.
Why should the tax payers pay to get them out. They need to take some personal responsiblity.
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Re: Some State Department
« Reply #3 on: Jul 19th, 2006, 12:26pm » |
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It wasn't a war zone when they arrived.
If your in a 7-11 and you get in the middle of a gun fight is it your fault for needing a rescue or should you have to pay the police to help you?
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Re: Some State Department
« Reply #4 on: Jul 19th, 2006, 12:32pm » |
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Why is the Govt responsible for every little bad thing that happens in an American life.
I did not say it was a war zone, I said it was a war prone area! And it is!!!
Its called personal responsibility, Taking responsibility for your own actions! Nobody made them go there. We provided transportation - their out. Do they not think that their life was worth $200 for them to personally pay, or is it only worth it for me to pay?
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Re: Some State Department
« Reply #5 on: Jul 19th, 2006, 1:31pm » |
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Re: Some State Department
« Reply #6 on: Jul 19th, 2006, 1:55pm » |
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Ditto!
I am glad we're not gonna do anything until Israel has a chance to some hezbullock ass! Them guys know how to fight a war on terror!
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Re: Some State Department
« Reply #7 on: Jul 19th, 2006, 2:06pm » |
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What were those nuts thinking when they went into Israel. I heard the opinion that it was to take the spotlight away from our friends in Iran.
And I love the fact that Rice isn't exactly rushing out there to talk peace.
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Re: Some State Department
« Reply #8 on: Jul 19th, 2006, 2:27pm » |
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Dontcha think they were all issued a warning when they received their visas? I seem to remember getting fair warning from the government when I travelled to the UAE and Saudi Arabia in July of 1991....
Anybody who is there on the government dime should be removed on the government dime. If they're there on business or vacation, however, they are responsible for paying to get their asses out as well. Quibble about the bill later, sure, but weren't they planning to come home at some point anyhow?
Uncle Sam is NOT my big brother. I take care of myself and mine - and I certainly cannot afford a vacation to Lebanon.
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Re: Some State Department
« Reply #9 on: Jul 19th, 2006, 2:35pm » |
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Karma, Gena..AMEN!
BobP,
if "Them guys know how to fight a war on terror!" then why in the hell are they always getting the shit blown out of em by S.Bombers? Apparently the war they fight isn't doing much in the way of deterring those crazy mother&uckers from blowing up themselves and innocent civilians!
Anyway...they shouldn't have been there in the first place. They shouldn't expect me and my tax dollars to bail them out of a situation that was inevitable!
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Re: Some State Department
« Reply #10 on: Jul 19th, 2006, 2:36pm » |
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Syria turned away westerners, can't exactly get in Israel, airports have really big holes in the runways, I guess swimming is an option.
I guess those dumb kids who went to school in Grenada should have been billed when the Marines had to rescue them. I mean come on, it's Lebanon not Afgahnistan.
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Re: Some State Department
« Reply #11 on: Jul 19th, 2006, 2:45pm » |
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$500 billion to promote democracy in Iraq, not a penny to rescue U.S. citizens in when bombs start falling? Maybe there were no pennies left?
on Jul 19th, 2006, 2:35pm, Dissident wrote:Anyway...they shouldn't have been there in the first place. They shouldn't expect me and my tax dollars to bail them out of a situation that was inevitable!
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Curious why you say they shouldn't have been there - The President of Lebanon visited the White House recently, and he and his country were warmly praised. The civil war in Lebanon ended more than a decade ago, and they were trying to rebuild the country.
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Re: Some State Department
« Reply #12 on: Jul 19th, 2006, 2:49pm » |
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on Jul 19th, 2006, 2:36pm, JeffB wrote:Syria turned away westerners, can't exactly get in Israel, airports have really big holes in the runways, I guess swimming is an option.
I guess those dumb kids who went to school in Grenada should have been billed when the Marines had to rescue them. I mean come on, it's Lebanon not Afgahnistan. |
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Transportation was provided - NOW it should be FREE!
I don't think so.
Is there even a thank you for the ride?
NO its why do I have to pay and why is the food not beter. Give me a FUCKING break
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Re: Some State Department
« Reply #13 on: Jul 19th, 2006, 2:54pm » |
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on Jul 19th, 2006, 2:35pm, Dissident wrote:BobP,
if "Them guys know how to fight a war on terror!" then why in the hell are they always getting the shit blown out of em by S.Bombers? |
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Re: Some State Department
« Reply #14 on: Jul 19th, 2006, 2:56pm » |
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on Jul 19th, 2006, 2:45pm, floridian wrote:| Maybe there were no pennies left? |
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Maybe they should take responsibility for their actions. What a novel concept. They choose to go to a part of the world where everyone knows things can go south fast, and I'm supposed to bail them out? I think not.
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I wouldn't have said that. I say, go wherever the hell you want or can get away with. But be a man about getting out when the situation changes. Ya pays your money and ya takes yer chances.
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Re: Some State Department
« Reply #15 on: Jul 19th, 2006, 2:59pm » |
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I always thought the AMERICAN Embassy was for AMERICANS, but during the FIRST Iraq war some of the guys my husband worked with were "guests" of Iraq (the Americans were the last out). Our AMERICAN embassy charged $15,000 a WEEK for them to seek REFUGE there. What's wrong with this picture.
Luckily, my husband had put off going to Iraq for a few days and was in a 5-star hotel in Saudi hoping it didn't get bombed. He managed to get out on his own without the American Embassy helping him.
And Gena, these ex-pats pay taxes in America and have families in America - they can just make more money (to support their families and the US government) in foreign countries. Iraq and Saudi supported us very well over the years as did Venezuela (lots of riots there).
The State Dept is a joke as far as helping Americans with anything. When my husband had a stroke in Venezuela, had I gone thru the State Dept he would have died before I got him back to the states -- as it was it took me four days (not saying I didn't break about 100 international laws, but....) and we never did find his passport.
What I'm getting at is most people who work in foreign countries pretty well take care of themselves and don't depend on the State Dept. This was an unusual occurance and it doesn't supprise me at all that they're being charged.
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Re: Some State Department
« Reply #16 on: Jul 19th, 2006, 3:00pm » |
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This is the attitude that pisses me off as well. I just don't understand how people can think like this. It's this attitude of entitlement that embarrasses and disgraces the U.S.
Flo,
I dislike and distrust everything about the current administration. It doesn't mean that I agree with American citizens blasting the State Department for providing slow service, bad accomodations and possibly a bill for rescuing them.
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Re: Some State Department
« Reply #17 on: Jul 19th, 2006, 3:08pm » |
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on Jul 19th, 2006, 2:59pm, BarbaraD wrote:And Gena, these ex-pats pay taxes in America and have families in America - they can just make more money (to support their families and the US government) in foreign countries. Iraq and Saudi supported us very well over the years as did Venezuela (lots of riots there).
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No sure why this was addressed to me? So if they pay taxes they are entitled to a free ride home? I pay taxes can I have a free ride on a cruise ship?
As you have said, the state dept never paid before, so why do these people feel so entitled!
ONCE AGAIN IT IS CALL PERSONAL RESPONSIBLITY
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Re: Some State Department
« Reply #18 on: Jul 19th, 2006, 3:10pm » |
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on Jul 19th, 2006, 11:52am, JeffB wrote:Can you believe the State Department was going to charge folks to get them out of Lebanon?
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And they damn well should be charged. And a lot more than 200 bucks!
on Jul 19th, 2006, 12:22pm, Gena wrote:My first question is why are they there?
Second did the govt. pay to get them there?
Why should the tax payers pay to get them out. They need to take some personal responsiblity.
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Right On Gena!
The only Americans in that part of the world that were 'sent' there are military.
Every other person is there for their own profit. Either profiting from a well paying job or profiting from taking a vacation. They are there voluntarily. They went there with the full knowledge that the area was dangerous.
Fuck'em. Taxpayers should not be paying for a bunch of self-centered idiots.
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Re: Some State Department
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on Jul 19th, 2006, 3:12pm, Sandy_C wrote:Calm the ruffled feathers folks, our wonderful Congress actually told the State Department to stuff it. The folks now have a free ride out. Can ya believe it, our congress actually did something right for a change?
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Re: Some State Department
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My how times have changed...
Americans Leave Beirut Aboard Cruise Ship
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20060719/D8IV82005.html
oh, and....
Quote:| The U.S. State Department said Tuesday it had dropped a plan to make Americans reimburse the government for the transport,.... |
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Re: Some State Department
« Reply #21 on: Jul 19th, 2006, 3:15pm » |
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where did the post go?
man that was fast, glad I got it when I did 
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Re: Some State Department
« Reply #22 on: Jul 19th, 2006, 3:28pm » |
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on Jul 19th, 2006, 2:45pm, floridian wrote:
Curious why you say they shouldn't have been there - The President of Lebanon visited the White House recently, and he and his country were warmly praised. The civil war in Lebanon ended more than a decade ago, and they were trying to rebuild the country. |
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Yeah, he's just a big cream puff...It's not like Hezbollah didn't grab a couple of Israeli soliders and blow up a couple of Humvees or anything. Or that they continue to send kids to blow themselves up in markets or busses...Hezbollah is like the corner day care center, not a bunch of terrorists! They are going to find out why Israel is the #3 Air Force and Army in the world. They only reason they aren't higher is because there aren't many of them. And Lebannon is going to get it's ass kicked...again.
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Re: Some State Department
« Reply #23 on: Jul 19th, 2006, 3:35pm » |
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Thats the sad thing about this conflict.
Lebanese people are truly a friendly, caring society and Lebanon is a beautiful old city. It's not Lebanon or the Lebanese people that are the problem. But they will suffer again, as they have for generations.
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Re: Some State Department
« Reply #24 on: Jul 19th, 2006, 3:35pm » |
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Wow.
I hope some of you aren't in government if I find myself in a pickle while visiting/working in places like Indonesia, Sri Lanka, Venezuela, Bolivia, Vietnam, Philipenes or some other place.
My ass would be grass! lol
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