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"Did you know there are seven young Marines and a Navy corpsman sitting in a military brig right now in leg and wrist shackles -- despite the fact that they've not been charged with any crime?"
"The national media ignored a protest by supporters outside Camp Pendleton over the weekend. Not a peep heard yet from the American Civil Liberties Union. The website of the self-anointed crusaders for individual rights contains hundreds of articles on the rights of al Qaeda suspects and an indignant press release on the suicides of Guantanamo Bay detainees. But no mention of the Camp Pendleton Eight. For their part, human rights groups were too busy shedding tears for the Gitmo terrorist suicide squad and lionizing them as "heroes" in the words of William Goodman of the Center for Constitutional Rights. Editorial cartoonists have been preoccupied desecrating the Marine Corps logo and tarring troops as baby-killers."
"Innocent until proven guilty? Justice for all? Benefit of the doubt? These are apparently foreign concepts when it comes to Americans in uniform being held on American soil. Perhaps if our troops proclaimed themselves "conscientious objectors" and converted to Islam, they might start getting some sympathy."
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Re: Whats wrong with this picture?
« Reply #1 on: Jun 14th, 2006, 7:46pm » |
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WTF, one of the Marines was on his third tour??
What a crock of shiite, here we go again, public opinion is running another war. Can you imagine what these guys go through. An enemy with no uniform who can say and claim anything while standing at his front door and walk out the back with his A K and plant IED's that going to kill.
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Re: Whats wrong with this picture?
« Reply #2 on: Jun 14th, 2006, 7:47pm » |
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Seems to me they forgot they were the American Civil Liberties Union....
Sheesh.
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Re: Whats wrong with this picture?
« Reply #3 on: Jun 14th, 2006, 7:51pm » |
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Although the idea of an organization to protect out civil liberties is a good one, the ACLU we have today is not that.
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« Reply #4 on: Jun 14th, 2006, 7:52pm » |
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on Jun 14th, 2006, 7:47pm, Donna_D. wrote:Seems to me they forgot they were the American Civil Liberties Union....
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Someone should ask them why they have an office in London!....thats not America, is it?
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Re: Whats wrong with this picture?
« Reply #5 on: Jun 14th, 2006, 7:55pm » |
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Good GRAVEY! Dont let them Rot guilty or not these are our boys give them their day!!!
Thank you to all of you who have served or are serving a great nation in the Armed Forces!!!
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Re: Whats wrong with this picture?
« Reply #6 on: Jun 14th, 2006, 8:08pm » |
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What a way to treat AMERICANS who put their lives on the line eveyday for us.
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« Reply #7 on: Jun 14th, 2006, 8:14pm » |
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What's wrong with it is that hysterical ditz Michelle Malkin is writing about it in shrill tones. Is she saying that the Military is not living by the Uniform Code of Military Justice? Or is she just saying that the Uniform Code is different from civilian law?? She must be alarmed about the centuries-old difference between the systems, because she doesn't present any evidence that the military justice system is breaking down in this case.
We know the two systems do not have the same procedures (never were identical), but that both are supposed to guarantee the rights of those suspected and those accused. If there is evidence that these soldiers are being denied the rights due to them under the law, then people should be upset. But where is the evidence that is happening?
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Re: Whats wrong with this picture?
« Reply #8 on: Jun 14th, 2006, 8:23pm » |
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on Jun 14th, 2006, 8:14pm, floridian wrote:| What's wrong with it is that hysterical ditz Michelle Malkin is writing about it in shrill tones. |
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What are you saying, Flo....shes lies?
(BTW..why the name calling? )
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« Reply #9 on: Jun 14th, 2006, 8:33pm » |
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on Jun 14th, 2006, 8:23pm, Jonny wrote:
What are you saying, Flo....shes lies?
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Yes, she makes a career out of lying, distorting and inflaming people.
I pulled a post because I may have misinterpreted an ambiguous statement made on this board - if I did misinterpret, my apologies.
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Re: Whats wrong with this picture?
« Reply #10 on: Jun 14th, 2006, 8:46pm » |
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on Jun 14th, 2006, 8:33pm, floridian wrote:| Yes, she makes a career out of lying, distorting and inflaming people. |
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Well Flo, what I see is the writer comparing the treatment of terrorists and American soldiers.....AND where the ACLU is.
Is this guy a liar also?
"human rights groups were too busy shedding tears for the Gitmo terrorist suicide squad and lionizing them as "heroes" in the words of William Goodman of the Center for Constitutional Rights."
Are you a member of the ACLU, Flo?
Why does the ACLU have an office in London?.....Hmmmm
Do you like America, Flo?
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« Reply #11 on: Jun 14th, 2006, 9:15pm » |
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on Jun 14th, 2006, 8:46pm, Jonny wrote:
Well Flo, what I see is the writer comparing the treatment of terrorists and American soldiers.....AND where the ACLU is.
Is this guy a liar also?
"human rights groups were too busy shedding tears for the Gitmo terrorist suicide squad and lionizing them as "heroes" in the words of William Goodman of the Center for Constitutional Rights."
Are you a member of the ACLU, Flo?
Why does the ACLU have an office in London?.....Hmmmm
Do you like America, Flo?
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Is that guy a liar?? Well, I don't know that any one was actually shedding tears. Did anyone see him cry, or is someone being hyperbolic? I don't feel they were heroes, but they could have been tragic victims. 167 of the "terrorist" prisoners at Guantanamo have been let go after being held for years in a system of guilty until we decide you are not, and others have been returned to other countries to be imprisoned there. Not really what you would expect if they were all really terrorists out to get the United States. No charges, no chance to defend yourself. And that is not what the servicemen in Fort Pendleton are facing - I am willing to bet real American Dollars that they will either be charged soon and allowed to defend themselves, or be released.
Why does the ACLU have an office in London? Probably because its cheaper and closer compared to Geneva - both are considered capitals for groups doing international humanitarian and human rights work.
Do I like America? Yes, in spite of the fact that we have embassies and offices in fureign countries.
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Re: Whats wrong with this picture?
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on Jun 14th, 2006, 9:15pm, floridian wrote:| Some of the "terrorist" prisoners at Guantanamo have been let go after being held for years in a system of guilty until we decide you are not. |
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And at least one of them (that we know of) went on to blow up a hotel after being released killing people......has that skipped your mind, Flo?
ACLU dont need no London office and we both know it, America is here and so is the CIVIL problems......No?
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on Jun 14th, 2006, 9:30pm, Jonny wrote:
And at least one of them (that we know of) went on to blow up a hotel after being released killing people......has that skipped your mind, Flo?
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I wasn't aware of that. Neither is Google, apparently. Searched for "guantanamo releasee hotel bombing" and "guantanamo released hotel bombing" in Google News and Google Web, couldn't find anything. Huh?
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You've really run out of steam when you are questioning the patriotrism of a group simply because it has a branch office in another country. Next your going to turn on political parties that publish their websites in Spanish (http://www.gop.com/espanol/) or accuse the World Fund for Wildlife of being a communist front (Why did they pick a panda for their logo? What's wrong with using an American animal for a logo?)
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on Jun 14th, 2006, 9:41pm, floridian wrote:
You've really run out of steam when you are questioning the patriotrism of a group simply because it has a branch office in another country. |
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Really?.....What does this say?
on Jun 14th, 2006, 7:32pm, Jonny wrote:| "The national media ignored a protest by supporters outside Camp Pendleton over the weekend. Not a peep heard yet from the American Civil Liberties Union. The website of the self-anointed crusaders for individual rights contains hundreds of articles on the rights of al Qaeda suspects and an indignant press release on the suicides of Guantanamo Bay detainees. But no mention of the Camp Pendleton Eight. For their part, human rights groups were too busy shedding tears for the Gitmo terrorist suicide squad and lionizing them as "heroes" in the words of William Goodman of the Center for Constitutional Rights. Editorial cartoonists have been preoccupied desecrating the Marine Corps logo and tarring troops as baby-killers." |
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I will get back to you on the other point tomorrow....I work and have to sleep now.
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It's actually more simple than is being discussed here. As a card-carrying member of the ACLU I'll tell you why they have offices throughout the world and not just London: We are people in many countries and they have decided to put offices internationally to protect us when we ARE facing different laws and rights. As unpopular as this apparently is, they do it for us. The bastards. They also fought for the right for Nazis to march in Skokie, a heavily Jewish town that tried to stop them. Now they are calling for an end to gitmo's policy of keeping everyone imprisoned forever. They aren't saying prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you shouldn't be a POW. Just that you aren't one of the many who are taken in and there was no reason to keep you here other than we don't want you to talk about the torture. We are not America if we can arrest whoever we want and refuse to release them because we don't want our treatment of them geting out.
On the other hand, those who think we should not ensure we aren't rounding up anyone and keeping them like we're a South American country are the same ones who thought we should go to Iraq and will eventually jump on the bandwagon agaon... once they feel safe that their friends won't make fun of them for doing the right thing.
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on Jun 14th, 2006, 8:33pm, floridian wrote:
Yes, she makes a career out of lying, distorting and inflaming people.
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can I get a few examples?
It seems any conservitive colomist or commentator gets these same labels, mostly without any specific examples. It looks like a ploy to discredit anyyone they don't agree with, yet they believe anything Dan Rather or Al Frankton says as gospel.
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All the info is too long to post here so follow the link:
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........I do not doubt, by the way, that the documents to which Malkin cites actually exist; I'm not suggesting she's making them up..........
This quote is from that opinion column you linked to,It is all I need to read. She may be wrong in her opinions but thats all it was, an opinion. I would like to see evidence of these so called lies.
this is her reply to this Opinion column
......University of North Carolina law professor Eric Muller has been guest-blogging about my new book this week over at The Volokh Conspiracy. He enlisted the aid of his friend and author Greg Robinson in his endeavor. I welcome the debate from the Eric-Greg tag team and others who have actually read the book and are willing to engage its arguments--as opposed to this MTV bubble-headed pablum...........
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on Jun 14th, 2006, 10:13pm, WhoIsTedNow wrote:
They also fought for the right for Nazis to march in Skokie, a heavily Jewish town that tried to stop them. |
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and your proud to be part of this?
on Jun 14th, 2006, 10:13pm, WhoIsTedNow wrote:| Now they are calling for an end to gitmo's policy of keeping everyone imprisoned forever. |
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What about the ones that have been released? They were not there forever. These guys were taken off the battlefield, there are still people dieing on this battlefield, you don't release the enemy to rejoin the fight, which is what some of those that have been released has done.
on Jun 14th, 2006, 10:13pm, WhoIsTedNow wrote:| Just that you aren't one of the many who are taken in and there was no reason to keep you here other than we don't want you to talk about the torture. |
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I would cast doubt on anything those released claimed, I am sure that they wouldn't LIE to get some bad press for their enemy.
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sumtimes I think everything sucks..........ok it's late.........carry on Pam
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Our local newspaper publishes this whiny infant three times a week. I tried many times
to give her the benefit of the doubt. I gave up. If anyone is more childish than Ann Coutler,
it's she. At least it's obvious that Coulter is more of performer than serious pundit. This
kid is very modern. She appeals to the anti-intellectual portion of the electorate that's fired up by outrageous and inflamatory rantings but recoils at the complexity of the real world. Easy plays
well with them. When they are called on it, they wrap themselves in the flag, declare that only
their kind of conservatives are straight shooters trying to dig themselves out from under the thumb
of liberal media. It plays well in Peoria. She focuses on things like gay marriage, flag desecration,
and other scary stuff that Daniel Patrick Moynihan rightly called "Boob bait for bubbas." It works too. She is incapable of telling the truth if she doesn't like it. She needs to grow up.
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Here we go.... In fact if you like America, you need play by the rules. Liberals are
the ones trying to keep the Bush administration from picking apart the Bill of Rights
so they don't have to be as slippery as they already are. This is not a question but a
way to try to divert the topic by questioning patriotism. Patriotism is not only defined
by military service or party registration. If so, almost the entire Congress are unpatriotic.
The ACLU does far far more good than harm. You cannot rely on anything coming from her pen. She does nothing but rail on the left.
I do part with Ted on the Nazi marches in Peoria. The reason I didn't become a member is their support of the marches. I'm sorry. Nazis are special. There in nothing good about a Nazi. They represent death, repression and mass murder. To me, it's akin to being pro-cancer.
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When Capt. James Yee was accused of espionage, Malkin had no concern over the notion of "innocent until proven guilty" as she claims to now. She was quick to throw that soldier under the bus, and indict all of America for it. Turns out that Yee did get a fair trial, and there was no evidence that he committed espionage. Malkin supports the troops - if they are white Christians.
Malkin has expressed a clear contempt for religious and ethnic minorities - from defending the wholesale internment of people guilty of having Japanese bloodlines in WWII to cartoonish stereotyping of all Islam today.
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on Jun 15th, 2006, 7:12am, floridian wrote:When Capt. James Yee was accused of espionage, Malkin had no concern over the notion of "innocent until proven guilty" as she claims to now. She was quick to throw that soldier under the bus, and indict all of America for it. Turns out that Yee did get a fair trial, and there was no evidence that he committed espionage. Malkin supports the troops - if they are white Christians.
Malkin has expressed a clear contempt for religious and ethnic minorities - from defending the wholesale internment of people guilty of having Japanese bloodlines in WWII to cartoonish stereotyping of all Islam today.
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So basicaly she is an asian Uncle Tom?
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on Jun 15th, 2006, 8:12am, maffumatt wrote:
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No. In Harriet Beecher Stowe's book, Uncle Tom was a good natured guy.
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