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« on: Jun 11th, 2006, 7:36pm » |
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Teacher's Arrest Raises Questions About Law
DALLAS (June 11) - The arrest of a high school teacher for allegedly having sex with an 18-year-old student has raised questions about the age constraints of the state's three-year-old law criminalizing student-teacher sexual relationships.
Amy McElhenney, 25, was arrested May 25 and charged with having an improper relationship with a student. The Spanish teacher and former Miss Texas contestant faces up to 20 years in prison.
But some lawmakers say the Hebron High School student's status as a legal adult should exempt McElhenney from the felony charge.
State Rep. Helen Giddings, D-Dallas, wrote the Texas law in 2003 that criminalizes sex between educators and students. But she said she wanted the law to apply only to students 17 and younger - uncomfortable with making sex between two legal, consenting adults a felony.
"I feel differently about 17-year-olds than I do about 18-year-olds," Giddings said. "I don't necessarily believe the penalty for the two should necessarily be the same."
But other legislators added amendments to Giddings' bill when it reached the floor of the House, making it illegal for educators to have sexual relationships with students of any age. Rep. Warren Chisum, R-Pampa, proposed dropping the age limit, arguing that teachers wield a power over students that diminishes the pupils' ability to consent.
"If they're a student, I just think they're off bounds regardless of their age," Chisum said. "I felt like if we didn't do that, we just virtually made it open season on students that are 18 years old."
Neither McElhenney nor her attorney could immediately be reached for comment.
The woman's arrest attracted national media interest - which did not surprise Carrollton police Sgt. Pat Murphy, who cited the sensational elements of the case.
"It's about what I expected for what this case is," Murphy said of the media blitz. "You've got a teacher that was a beauty pageant contestant that is accused of having sex with a student."
But McElhenney's arrest also prompted debates around the nation concerning Texas' law and the criminality of student-teacher relationships when the pupil is a legal adult.
"It's a little harsh, even for Texas law," defense attorney Jeffrey Lichtman told The Dallas Morning News. Lichtman discussed the case on a Fox news show.
He called the law "a little heavy handed, and it seems like a flavor-of-the-moment law."
Dallas lawyer Jim Moore said he felt the age issue would make jurors less likely to sentence a defendant to the 20-year prison term for an alleged relationship with a consenting adult. Moore represents a Garland school district teacher accused of having such a relationship in 2005.
"It's going to be real interesting to see what a jury thinks about this legislation," Moore said.
06/11/06 13:12 EDT
Being 18 and her 25, whats the big deal, I think 20 years in prison is a little harsh 
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« Reply #1 on: Jun 11th, 2006, 7:40pm » |
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sounds a bit much for me. maybe a suspension but the kid 18 no jail time
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« Reply #2 on: Jun 11th, 2006, 7:44pm » |
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Nope. It undermines the teacher-student relationship and the authority that is implied. Doesn't matter the age of the teacher or the student. It's called upholding an ethical standard.
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« Reply #3 on: Jun 11th, 2006, 7:51pm » |
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on Jun 11th, 2006, 7:36pm, Sean_C wrote:
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« Reply #4 on: Jun 11th, 2006, 7:58pm » |
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I don't think she should go to jail for that. But she should at least get a misdemeanor charge, just so she would not be able to teach at a school again. She obviously can't be trusted with that job.
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The kid was of age...wheres the charge?
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I'm not saying it should be illegal. But it is wrong. There will always be the appearance of favors for grades, which is a conflict of interest.
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« Reply #7 on: Jun 11th, 2006, 8:06pm » |
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Ethically she's out of bounds. Other than that whats the problem?
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« Reply #8 on: Jun 11th, 2006, 8:23pm » |
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Both legal adults. No problem.
Teacher student, big problem.
Jail, no. Loose job, yes.
She is stupid.
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Quote:Jail, no. Loose job, yes.
She is stupid.
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LMAO!!
That about covers it! LOL
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« Reply #10 on: Jun 11th, 2006, 9:32pm » |
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Stupid and horny....................my favorite combo
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« Reply #11 on: Jun 11th, 2006, 9:36pm » |
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NO JAIL! lose job?
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« Reply #12 on: Jun 11th, 2006, 9:40pm » |
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Were it any other couple, specially a 25 year old man and an 18 year old woman there would be no one bitching...
Agreed the teacher/student relationship makes this an ethical issue. NOT a legal one.
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What's next? Jail for the bossman for having sex with his secretary? 
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on Jun 11th, 2006, 9:45pm, Ueli wrote:| What's next? Jail for the bossman for having sex with his secretary? |
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No. Fire him. It's a subordinate relationship.
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Shit. There will be a lot of empty seats in Congress!
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« Reply #16 on: Jun 11th, 2006, 10:47pm » |
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I could use some home schooling if she's looking for work.
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« Reply #17 on: Jun 11th, 2006, 10:58pm » |
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on Jun 11th, 2006, 9:32pm, Sean_C wrote:Stupid and horny....................my favorite combo
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LMAO...Where were these teachers when I was in school? The ones I had were like your neighbors mother....or grand mother. Yikes!
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If he can go to war I think that he can DO the teacher!
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« Reply #19 on: Jun 11th, 2006, 11:15pm » |
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No, the teacher did him.
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« Reply #20 on: Jun 12th, 2006, 2:52am » |
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What a buncha tightasses. My dad would haved called this "getting lucky."
Shit. 18 is old enough for anything.
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« Reply #21 on: Jun 12th, 2006, 5:16am » |
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I don't think that 18 year old young man should go to jail. I'd call that getting lucky.
Did they say what his grade in Spanish was? I know what his grade in Sex Ed. should be.
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« Reply #22 on: Jun 12th, 2006, 9:58am » |
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It is a question of ethics not the law obviously. She should have been fired and not fined or jailed at all.
I do not agree at all with what she did but what kind of lawyer did she have? Shit child molesters, murderers and rapists do less time. Something is wrong with this picture
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« Reply #23 on: Jun 12th, 2006, 10:29am » |
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If I were that kid, I would find out the person who ratted and beat the crap out of them! Kids these days are whiney lil bitches, probably someone was jealous and that's why this is coming out more and more in the news. It isn't happening any more than before, just it's being reported. At 18, was he still in school and her student? Were they having a relationship during the school year or not? If he had graduated before they had sex, would it be a problem? Quote:| But other legislators added amendments to Giddings' bill when it reached the floor of the House, making it illegal for educators to have sexual relationships with students of any age. |
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« Reply #24 on: Jun 12th, 2006, 10:32am » |
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That's because they are sick. Blech...cou..bullshit..gh..I mean they have an excuse.."Oh, my parents beat me.", "Oh, the Man is keeping me down." Give me a break! If the kid was 18 when this started, then it should be a non-story.
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