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« Reply #1 on: Jun 8th, 2006, 4:37am » |
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 I sure hope it a good story! I will rest a little easier waiting for my son to finish his time over there and get home knowing this guy is dead!
I know Erics 3 sons and wife feel the same! They want him out of there and back in Alaska with them!! Pappy
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« Reply #2 on: Jun 8th, 2006, 6:16am » |
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It is true...confirmed by Iraq--no doubt the bastard is gone
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« Reply #3 on: Jun 8th, 2006, 8:13am » |
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Fox news had Nick Bergs dad on this morning, Zarqawi personaly cut of his head on video. His dad was defending Zarqawi and saying that it was all a lie that he was killed, that its just another Bush lie, and if he was dead he was saddened by it.
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« Reply #4 on: Jun 8th, 2006, 8:38am » |
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Credit for some accurate intelligence and timely execution on that moving target.
Anybody have a little grasp about Al-Qaeda presence in Sudan these days. I heard the U.S. still had some financial involvement there until recently but that news seems elusive.
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« Reply #5 on: Jun 8th, 2006, 8:54am » |
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It's good if they got him, no doubt he is a ruthless killer and the world is better off with Zarqawi gone.
Not sure what Nick's father said on the TV show, but what you said is different from what he has said recently:
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And I don't think that this small victory is going to change the course of events - the large majority of the fighting in Iraq is from non Al Qaeda groups.
Quote:U.S. Gen. George Casey, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, told reporters there the development would not end the insurgency and an official in Washington, who requested anonymity while details of al-Zarqawi's death were still unfolding, said it should not cause anyone to have unrealistic expectations.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_8818.shtml
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Re: al-Zarqawi killed in Iraq
« Reply #6 on: Jun 8th, 2006, 9:00am » |
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1 dirtbag down, X number to go. Even when some good news comes out of Iraq, there are people who are going to bash it. Get over yourselves, people. I wonder if there would have been this much back stabbing crap if the Internet was around during WWII. WE WERE ATTACKED! Germany didn't attack us, but we went in a blew the shit out of them, then dealt with Japan. Iraq didn't directly attack us, but they gave some assisstance to Binladen. Training grounds are assistance. Do some research and find out how much of Sadam's weapons are in Syria...
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« Reply #7 on: Jun 8th, 2006, 9:11am » |
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I can't believe what Nick's father said ...
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Sounds like my first writing teacher in college who wanted to make the whole class believe that there was never a reason to sentence someone to death (even if they killed your whole family). The class didn't go for it, neither did I. The teacher was pissed at the end of the semester !
The dude was a murderer. He got what he deserved. Live by the sword - Die by the sword. If we had more "eye for an eye" justice here, we wouldn't have half the crime (imo)
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Edited to add: I got that quote from the first link Flo provided.
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« Reply #8 on: Jun 8th, 2006, 9:13am » |
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Ohhhh! Iraq confirmed? Then it must be true.
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on Jun 8th, 2006, 9:11am, unsolved1 wrote:I can't believe what Nick's father said ...
Sounds like my first writing teacher in college who wanted to make the whole class believe that there was never a reason to sentence someone to death (even if they killed your whole family). The class didn't go for it, neither did I. The teacher was pissed at the end of the semester !
The dude was a murderer. He got what he deserved. Live by the sword - Die by the sword. If we had more "eye for an eye" justice here, we wouldn't have half the crime (imo)
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Yeah, Nick's father is a radical pacifist, along the lines of Jesus and Gandhi, and can sound rather naive at times.
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« Reply #11 on: Jun 8th, 2006, 9:26am » |
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Zarqawi would have cut off Nick Berg's father's head if he had been given the chance.
Nick Berg's father ought to think about that for awhile.
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« Reply #12 on: Jun 8th, 2006, 9:34am » |
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This dude wasnt even on the radar screen until we invaded Iraq and he led a group to fight against the invaders, right?
I can guarantee you one thing, if my country were invaded and occupied, I would either lead or follow a group to fight against the invaders.
If I was in a group to fight against the invaders, would you call me a murderer and a terrorist?
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« Reply #13 on: Jun 8th, 2006, 9:37am » |
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on Jun 8th, 2006, 9:00am, Tom K wrote:| Iraq didn't directly attack us, but they gave some assisstance to Binladen. Training grounds are assistance. Do some research and find out how much of Sadam's weapons are in Syria... |
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Stop repeating those old, disproven lies, Tom. The training grounds were in northern Iraq, in the no-fly zone, in an area that Saddam did not control. Saddam did not trust or like the fundamentalists, and there is no evidence that he supported them. There is, however, evidence that Bush knew about Zarqawi's training camps, and refused to strike at them.
Quote:Jim Miklaszewski of NBC News reported that a few months after 9/11 the Pentagon drafted multiple plans to hit the camp of Abu Musab Zarqawi, the al-Qaeda terrorist who had taken up residence in Iraq's northern no-fly zone, outside Saddam Hussein's control. George Bush, however, refused to authorize a military strike.
I've written about this multiple times (I used to jokingly call it my "monthly Zarqawi post" , but Miklaszewski's story always had a big problem: it was based on anonymous sources, which made it easy for the White House to ignore. Today, however, the Australian show Four Corners has gotten confirmation of the story from Michael Scheuer, former head of the CIA's Osama bin Laden unit:
He told Four Corners that during 2002, the Bush Administration received detailed intelligence about Zarqawi's training camp in Iraqi Kurdistan.
...."Almost every day we sent a package to the White House that had overhead imagery of the house he was staying in. It was a terrorist training camp...experimenting with ricin and anthrax...any collateral damage there would have been terrorists."
So why wasn't Bush willing to hit Zarqawi, a known al-Qaeda terrorist in a known location? Scheuer says he was told it was because Bush was afraid of annoying the French — a theory that seems a bit of a stretch, non? Others believe it was because Zarqawi was politically convenient: having him alive allowed Bush to pretend that Saddam was "harboring terrorists," thus providing useful ammunition for the war.
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« Reply #14 on: Jun 8th, 2006, 9:38am » |
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on Jun 8th, 2006, 9:34am, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:If I was in a group to fight against the invaders, would you call me a murderer and a terrorist?
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Depends on whether you offed innocents or your own countrymen because you considered them to be infidels.
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« Reply #15 on: Jun 8th, 2006, 9:45am » |
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Quote:| Yeah, Nick's father is a radical pacifist, along the lines of Jesus and Gandhi, and can sound rather naive at times. |
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Quote:Romans 13:1-5 (RSV):
1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.
2 Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of him who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval,
4 For he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain; he is the servant of God to execute his wrath on the wrongdoer.
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God requires pacificism of the individual but He also condons governments to "bear the sword" against wrongdoers.
Abu was a non-pacifist individual. The US Government Military is an instrument of God, led by a God fearing Commander In Chief.
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« Reply #16 on: Jun 8th, 2006, 9:47am » |
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on Jun 8th, 2006, 9:34am, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:This dude wasnt even on the radar screen until we invaded Iraq and he led a group to fight against the invaders, right?
I can guarantee you one thing, if my country were invaded and occupied, I would either lead or follow a group to fight against the invaders. |
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I wasn't aware that he was from Iraq and fighting the invaders as an Iraqi. I thought he was from Jordan
 . So you would move away from your homeland to fight invaders of another country then?
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« Reply #17 on: Jun 8th, 2006, 11:12am » |
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on Jun 8th, 2006, 9:45am, Bob P wrote:| The US Government Military is an instrument of God, led by a God fearing Commander In Chief. |
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Think about this, isn't this statement as religiously radical as the statements being made by the Muslims? The military is an instrument of God? Are you kidding? "You can't say we shouldn't be there, that's blasphemy!"
Not so radical Steve
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« Reply #18 on: Jun 8th, 2006, 11:23am » |
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on Jun 8th, 2006, 9:37am, floridian wrote:
Stop repeating those old, disproven lies, Tom. The training grounds were in northern Iraq, in the no-fly zone, in an area that Saddam did not control. Saddam did not trust or like the fundamentalists, and there is no evidence that he supported them. There is, however, evidence that Bush knew about Zarqawi's training camps, and refused to strike at them.
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And there is no evidence that shows he DIDN'T support them. Why are they lies? Because you believe them or because the mass media spouts them as fact?  At least Fox News, as right wing as they are, comes right out and says they are biased. Maybe the mass media would do themselves a favor to admit the same. You come in here and link to all this leftist Bravo Sierra, and preach it as fact. Yet, they don't have a liberal bias? I guess since it is a link that you provide, it must be true, right? What happened to the story about a bunch of Russian truck tracks around KNOWN WMD sites, only to have those sites come up empty? Oh, I guess that never happened because Ol' Flo doesn't believe it.
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« Reply #19 on: Jun 8th, 2006, 11:53am » |
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Quote:Think about this, isn't this statement as religiously radical as the statements being made by the Muslims? The military is an instrument of God? Are you kidding? "You can't say we shouldn't be there, that's blasphemy!"
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Nope. I am a Christian. I believe the teachings of the Bible. The Bible quote is in my post above. Guess it really depends on if the government is trying to good or if it is doing bad by it's people. The US Government is trying to protect it's people from terrorist attacks, like 9/11. I think that's a good thing.
The radical muslims are saying that Alah approves of killing innocents. I think that's a bad thing.
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Its all a convenient deflection from the atrocities that have been in the news.
Keep a wanted man in your crosshairs until the impact of his demise is really needed.
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Quote:Its all a convenient deflection from the atrocities that have been in the news.
Keep a wanted man in your crosshairs until the impact of his demise is really needed.
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And on that same day Al Gore will fly into your town via a tornedo
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Concerning any chemical weapons of mass destruction.
Iraq never mastered the process of distilling the nerve gas Sarin, the purity of the agent ranged between 60 and 70 percent, resulting in its rapid deterioration. After three months in storage, the purity level dropped below 40 percent, the cutoff for filling munitions. Iraqi Sarin therefore had to be consumed on the battlefield almost as fast as it was produced.
Sarin dissapates rapidly in the intense heat of the Iraqi desert, less volatile is Soman but plans to manufacture it were foiled by the failure to find a supplier of pinacolyl alcohol. Iraq chose to make Cyclosarin, an analogue of Sarin who's lower volatility makes it superior in hot climates by simply replacing isopropyl alcohol with cyclohexyl alcohol, which was readily available from the Iraqi petrochemical industry. It could remain considerably stronger after a few months of storage.
Another agent developed by Iraq was VX, but they attained purity of only 50% and less than 90% pure is unstable with a limited shelf life, deteriorating to the point of nonusability within weeks. In April '88, Iraqi scientists developed a salt form of VX known as "dibis" that was able to remain stable for up to eight months and could be converted into active VX as needed.
In 1990 Iraq worked on the delivery system, an R-400 aerial bomb and developing a warhead for the Al-Hussein ballistic missile. Any long term storage of chemicals was still unavailable.
Eight years of war with Iran ruined the Iraqi economy making them heavily dependent on oil exports. A long standing border dispute with Kuwait over a valuable oil field straddled the border between them resulted in Saddam ordering an invasion August 2, 1990. The Muthanna chemical site churned out Sarin and Cyclosarin for two months starting December 1990. U.S. secretary of State Baker then warned Saddam about using chemical warfare. The commencing of Desert Storm's air campaign January 17, 1991 led to very quick defeat for Iraq.
Summer and fall of 2003, investigations were compiled by members of the Iraq Survey Group (ISG), a U.S. fact-finding mission reporting to the Pentagon and the CIA and numbering 1,200 personnel. In an interim report issued in October 2003, ISG director David Kay wrote, "Multiple sources with varied access and reliability have told ISG that Iraq did not have a large, ongoing, centrally controlled chemical weapons (CW) program after 1991... Iraq's large-scale capability to develop, produce, and fill new munition was reduced,- if not entirely destroyed - during Operations Desert Storm and Desert Fox, thirteen years of U.N. sanctions and U.N inspections."
On October 6, 2004, Charles A. Duelfer, who had replaced David Kay as head of the ISG, released a 918-page final report summarizing the results of the eighteen-month investigations into Iraq's unconventional weapons programs prior to the March 2003 war. Duelfer's report concluded that Iraq had destroyed its undeclared chemical stockpile in 1991, and had not resumed production thereafter. Although a network of clandestine laboratories operating under the Iraqi intelligence Service had conducted research and testing on various toxic chemicals and poisons for assassination purposes, this effort did not meet the definition of a militarily significant capability.
UNMOVIC Executive Chairman Hans Blix likened Saddam's behavior to that of someone who does not own a dog but tries to discourage thieves by posting a BEWARE OF DOG sign on the door. *
If the U.S. fact-finding report by the ISG and the U.N. inspectors both seem to find that no significant chemical weapons have been developed since 1991, with the know-how Iraq had at that time, any nerve agents then produced could by now be considered only a biohazard long ago.
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