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« on: Jun 7th, 2006, 7:48pm »
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Can anyone tell me the reasoning for giving out free condoms in schools?
 
My take....Do we really need to be telling kids to go for it?
 
Second, WTF is with a clean needle exchange program?
 
Take two....Do we really need to be telling drug addicts that breaking the law is ok?
 
Here in Mass they are going to start selling neddles to anyone OTC, do we really need more dirty needles in our parks to stick our kids in the feet?
 
Do we?
 
Someone splain to me how this shit helps, please.
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« Reply #1 on: Jun 7th, 2006, 8:02pm »
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What age groups are they giving the free condoms to?  Is this elementary, jr. high or high school?  *Just say no* doesn't always work when you're young and in lust.  Are they teaching these kids anything?
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« Reply #2 on: Jun 7th, 2006, 8:02pm »
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Grin Most of the civilized world uses the same practices to stem the spread of AIDS, many good documentarys on PBS about this subject.
     Ot does send a mixed message to kids but I think most of us would rather have live, AIDS free kids at the risk of mixed signals> JMHO   Pappy
 
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« Reply #3 on: Jun 7th, 2006, 8:06pm »
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Giving condoms out in school never seemed like a good idea to me.
Syringes have always been available OTC in Oregon. So far this hasn't increased the presence of contaminated sharps in public areas. YMMV
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More liberal bandaids.  It is easier than holding the parents responsible for their drug addled kids or having the parents teach sex education to their kids.  It goes in line with abortion on demand for 16 year olds without parental knowledge or consent.
 
Schools can hand out condomes but can't produce students that can think through a problem.
 
6 X 7 = how do you feel about the number 7?  Is the new math.
 
I better back out of this thread before I cough up a rant.
 
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« Reply #5 on: Jun 7th, 2006, 8:06pm »
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Wonderful, get high with your clean needle so you can have safer sex.  
 
Can you get me a link to that jonny, I'm calling Riley's office and that fuckin Kennedy tomorrow.
 
What were they thinking??
 
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« Reply #6 on: Jun 7th, 2006, 8:07pm »
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on Jun 7th, 2006, 8:02pm, deltadarlin wrote:
What age groups are they giving the free condoms to?  

 
Jr high on up around these parts.
 
This is Ted (Fatboy) Kennedy country.
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« Reply #7 on: Jun 7th, 2006, 8:10pm »
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Jonny,
 
As a fully-fledged supporter and board of directors member for Planned Parenthood, I'll explain the first one, OK?
 
With the advent of the Republican government and the rise of the "religious right" many, many, many schools are teaching abstinence only sex education.  They have to do that to continue getting grants and Federal dollars.
 
Now ... think back to when you were 15 or 16 years old.  Were you willing to keep it in your pants if an opportunity presented itself?
 
Teenagers will be teenagers - and teenagers WILL have sex!  By providing condoms, schools are helping prevent unwanted pregnancy, STD's and AIDS - even if they can't provide the education!  Those schools that are providing proper family planning education are providing condoms in conjuction with their teaching.  Still a good thing.
 
As to your question about needles, my only explanation would be that certain areas are trying to reduce the incidence of AIDS from shared and dirty needles.  That doesn't mean I agree with the method - just my take on it.
 
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« Reply #8 on: Jun 7th, 2006, 8:11pm »
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on Jun 7th, 2006, 8:06pm, Sean_C wrote:
Can you get me a link to that jonny

 
BOSTON - A bill aimed at cutting the spread of diseases such as AIDS and hepatitis C by legalizing the over-the-counter sale of clean hypodermic needles won the backing of the Massachusetts Senate on Wednesday.
 
http://news.bostonherald.com/localPolitics/view.bg?articleid=142592
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« Reply #9 on: Jun 7th, 2006, 8:15pm »
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on Jun 7th, 2006, 8:10pm, Kris_in_SJ wrote:
Now ... think back to when you were 15 or 16 years old.  

 
What 15 year old kid do you know has AIDS?
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« Reply #10 on: Jun 7th, 2006, 8:19pm »
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on Jun 7th, 2006, 8:10pm, Kris_in_SJ wrote:
Now ... think back to when you were 15 or 16 years old.  Were you willing to keep it in your pants if an opportunity presented itself?

 
Nope........didn't wear condoms either and one could BUY them at the drug store.
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« Reply #11 on: Jun 7th, 2006, 8:28pm »
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There are 4 (known) teenagers in Benton Harbor, Michigan who are infected with the AIDS virus, Jonny.  Not a large number compared to Boston, but in a town of less than 20,000 people, it's pretty sad!  Our county also has the true distinction of having the third highest rate of teenaged pregnancy in the state.
 
Why?  Because way too many schools teach "abstinence only" education.  Don't make me quote the rate of STD's, etc.  Condoms are a GOOD thing!  As long as they're used, of course.
 
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« Reply #12 on: Jun 7th, 2006, 8:34pm »
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Is a condom really going to help against the AIDS?  Me thinks not.  I wouldn't screw someone who had the AIDS with a Class 3 HazMat suit on, let alone a piece of latex that is .01" thick.  Tell the kids to keep it in their pants or it is going to fall off.  Hell, show them the video of the guy who cut off his unit to show his wife he was faithful.  Scratch that...we will have a bunch of kids cutting off their mules to show their girlfriends that they love them....
 
The key to this whole arguement for condoms and needles is IF THEY ARE USED nothing is going to make them use them if they REALLY love the person they are with..."Oh, but I REALLY love you, I'll pull out."  Why don't we show the kids that if you get the AIDS, you are looking at a life full of bath robes and broth.  Cold hearted but true none the less... Undecided
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« Reply #13 on: Jun 7th, 2006, 8:40pm »
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Simple: One kid's life might be saved. You can't say that keeping a condom from a kid is better. With one, he might live. Without, he has a real chance of dying and spreading disease. Witholding all for some moral reason doesn't work. You don't kill some kid to make morons happy.
 
Free needles: Same story and a lot of the civilized world agrees. It just might save a life.  
 
Of course we are living in one of those sad eras when a bunch of surely not intelligently designed, science-hating puritans, tying condoms and appropriate aid to their bizarre twisted idea that people only get help if they play ball with them. Health isn't supposed to be doled out only to tithers. These creeps have no business speaking for God.
 
They believe that God hates homosexuals, that superstition trumps science every time. These are truly horrible people that lie when they say they like children.
 
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Since the conservative take-over, we have spent over a billion dollars on abstinence only programs that don't work.  Why indeed would anyone propose an effective condom policy if it was not 100% Fundamentally Correct? Maybe because it has worked in other countries! Germany's teen pregnancy rate is only 1/5 that of the United States, and their rate of abortion is 1/8 of we yanks.  HIV infection among youth is 1/5 of what it is here, and gonorrhea among U.S. kids is 66 times higher.  
 
People grow nads and they become sexually active. Have since the begining of time. And society becomes more complex, tells them to wait, which is great if they do, but most don't.  
 
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« Reply #15 on: Jun 7th, 2006, 8:47pm »
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Ok, next up is teaching 7 year old kids about homosexuality....whos up for this one?
 
Anyone?
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Sounds worse than it is of course but not very clever.  
 
This is a perfect example of the Karl Rove types trying to force Democrats to defend a position in which they haven't made a statement.  It's clever of course but it's coming to an end....of course we have to listen all the gay marriage nonsense perpetrated by the same first. If only we would not respond. Make it an all Republican rant. They know it can't pass anyway. It's pure politics ala the GOP primary where these neocons circulated a rumor that John McCain fathered a black baby. Not true and they knew it.  His wife adopted a kid from Kenya, I think.
 
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« Reply #17 on: Jun 7th, 2006, 9:01pm »
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Jonny, I love you, but you and I are going to have a "sit down" one day!  Would you like to visit St. Joseph, Michigan sometime soon?  We have a beautiful lake.
 
My daughter spent her first 10 years in Chicago.  We lived in the area known as "boys town."  Now, as an adult, she has an open and loving spirit without prejudice.  I'm extremely proud of her.  She has friends who are straight and who are gay.  
 
She's also been trained from her middle school years about sex education, is a Planned Parenthood patient, and uses the family planning taught her.  She won't get pregnant until she is ready, won't get an STD and won't get AIDS.
 
Best of all ... she has the open mind her parents encouraged her to have.
 
Now stepping off my soapbox,
 
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on Jun 7th, 2006, 8:34pm, Tom K wrote:
Is a condom really going to help against the AIDS?  Me thinks not.  I wouldn't screw someone who had the AIDS with a Class 3 HazMat suit on, let alone a piece of latex that is .01" thick.

 
 
What if you didn't know they had AIDS? What if THEY didn't know?
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on Jun 7th, 2006, 8:47pm, Jonny wrote:
Ok, next up is teaching 7 year old kids about homosexuality....whos up for this one?
 
Anyone?

 
Well, to be honest with you, if you wanna have the 7 year old read a book about a princess and a prince that fall in love, I think you should also read a book that talks about a prince and a prnce that fall in love.
If you wanna have the students talk about how the great morals and ethics of religious people, I think its also important to talk about the pandemic of gay child rape from the church also.  
Teaching just one thought process is not an education, its a brainwashing.
 
How about we put these issues on the back burner and teach some fucking math and reading!!
 
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Sounds worse than it is of course but not very clever.  
 
This is a perfect example of the Karl Rove types trying to force Democrats to defend a position in which they haven't made a statement.  It's clever of course but it's coming to an end....of course we have to listen all the gay marriage nonsense perpetrated by the same first. If only we would not respond. Make it an all Republican rant. They know it can't pass anyway. It's pure politics ala the GOP primary where these neocons circulated a rumor that John McCain fathered a black baby. Not true and they knew it.  His wife adopted a kid from Kenya, I think.
 
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Whats that got to do with a seven year old?
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Well, I for one don't want the schools teaching my kid that it's okay to be gay. I find it to be morally offensive. I'm happy with the 'don't ask, don't tell' policy. We won't ask about it, and we don't want to be told about it either !
 
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on Jun 7th, 2006, 9:16pm, unsolved1 wrote:
We WON'T be seeing brokeback mountain !

 
Some say "Gayness" is not being driven down your throat.
 
I have no need to see it either, Bro
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« Reply #23 on: Jun 7th, 2006, 9:29pm »
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on Jun 7th, 2006, 7:48pm, Jonny wrote:
Can anyone tell me the reasoning for giving out free condoms in schools?
 
My take....Do we really need to be telling kids to go for it?
 
Someone splain to me how this shit helps, please.

 
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As of 2004, there were 215  American children diagnosed with AIDS at age 14 or younger per year. 24 deaths. Up to 2004, 5,360 deaths occurred from AIDS  in children 14 years or younger, in America.
When interpreting HIV and AIDS statistics, it is important to remember that a person infected with HIV will probably not develop AIDS for several years - the average delay in the USA is around ten years without treatment, and longer if antiretroviral drugs are taken. Also, new diagnoses of HIV do not necessarily represent new infections, because people may live with the virus for a number of years before being tested.
 
 Also one might consider the prenancy rate of teens in America:
The United States has the highest teen pregnancy rate in the western world, despite the fact that our teens are not more sexually active than Swedish teens, or Canadian teens, or British teens. Why? Because we don't educate about birth control in sex education classes, we don't discuss it at home, we don't give teens good access to it, and we don't advertise it in our media.
Fact: One million teens in the USA will become pregnant over the next twelve months. Ninety-five percent of those pregnancies are unintended. About one third will end in abortion; one third will end in spontaneous miscarriage; and one third will continue their pregnancy to term and keep their baby.
 
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 Never understood how Mass. could keep this A$$ in office? Either they don't vote, don't care, or are plain ignorant (percentage wise that is).
 
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« Reply #24 on: Jun 7th, 2006, 9:31pm »
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Seven year olds are different from my day. I had to learn everything the hard way. One of my friends was a wreck because he was gay. His family moved rather than deal with it  and I didn't know why until after high school. We were lied to about this stuff all the time. I was encouraged never to contact him. He disappeared.
 
You have to use common sense but don't lie to them forever. On the whole, its us, not the kids that can't handle it but we do our best to keep them off balance.
 
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