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Ok, I will be the one to say it.....
« on: May 16th, 2006, 9:26pm » |
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The President is a fucking retard!!!
Just how do you be a country of laws and welcome 12-14 million law breakers?
Sure, most are good but what about the killers, rapists and diseased?
This is bullshit, there are folks like Cat that have been waiting for years to be legal.
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« Reply #1 on: May 16th, 2006, 9:38pm » |
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as much as it pains me to say but it your right...but don't tell Charlie.....
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Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it.....
« Reply #2 on: May 16th, 2006, 9:45pm » |
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I have to agree.
And, using the National Guard or Reserves to guard the border is B.S. Their job is to protect America in case the USA is attacked. It was not their job to go to war in Iraq. Mexico is not attacking us. It is the Border Patrol's job to stop the illegals.
The Guard and Reserve troops don't deserve to come home from Iraq and then be sent to the border.
Except in time of war it is not the military's job to patrol the border.
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Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it.....
« Reply #3 on: May 16th, 2006, 9:49pm » |
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on May 16th, 2006, 9:45pm, BobG wrote:
And, using the National Guard or Reserves to guard the border is B.S. Their job is to protect America in case the USA is attacked. |
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Guess what, Bob.....Its a fucking invasion.....we are being attacked!!!
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Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it.....
« Reply #4 on: May 16th, 2006, 9:54pm » |
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Quote:This is bullshit, there are folks like Cat that have been waiting for years to be legal.
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I agree too.
My Father came through Ellis Island from Germany... legally.
He studied our laws, learned how to speak English and took the test and proudly stood up, raised his right hand and was sworn in to be a US citizen.
Amnesty for the millions of illegals is a very cruel slap in the face to people like Cat, my Dad and others who followed the rules.
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« Reply #5 on: May 16th, 2006, 10:21pm » |
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And YES they are taking jobs away from our citizens by working for $2-3.00 per hour, three or 4 families living in one house and collecting food stamps, etc. We have many workers here willing to work for minimum wage. It is not that Americans don't want to do certain jobs. They just can't make it on what the pay is. It is a fact that if you do not earn in one week what is equal to one months rent or mortage payment, you aren't going to make it. How many homeless people do we have in this country? How many used- to- be middle class people can now be wiped out if they lose a couple of weeks pay due to illness or whatever?
I wish you all would go to www.letters-to.com and put this all down in one thread that I could mail to the powers-that-be. That site is all but dead, but I'd revive it in a heart beat just to show our superiors(?) that we have something to say.
What happened to our job applications where we had to provide social security cards to prove that we were legal?
My grandparents came from Prague and Germany, stood in line at Elis Island, studied English, learned the levels of government and tested out to earn their citizenship..ever so proudly.
And now this stupid tax break where the middle class family saves $20 to $30 dollars per year while the rich saves in the 6 figures?
It's our own fault, to a point. We let them get away with this crap a little bit at a time until we are so far in deep doo-doo that we can't get out.
When are we the people going to say enough is enough?
Sorry.......I get really upset when we talk about our government.
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Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it.....
« Reply #6 on: May 16th, 2006, 10:27pm » |
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on May 16th, 2006, 9:54pm, Linda_Howell wrote:
Amnesty for the millions of illegals is a very cruel slap in the face to people like Cat, my Dad and others who followed the rules.
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Exactly!
Granting amnesty to the illegals [that means law breakers] does nothing but weaken our security...a free pass into this country.
You think it's bad now?
If our so called "Government" gives amnesty to any of them, get ready people!
How it is now will seem wonderful compared to the future.
Terrorists, come on in. 
It's like handing the bank robbers a key to the vault.
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Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it.....
« Reply #7 on: May 16th, 2006, 10:38pm » |
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Remember when someone skipped in front of you in the lunch line at school?
Same shit, different scenario!
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Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it.....
« Reply #8 on: May 16th, 2006, 10:46pm » |
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Mark this day.....Jonny and Matt both said that Bush sucks. Is Charlie still away? This is the day us bleeding heart liberals have been waiting for for years! (And by that, I mean the day you guys admitted he was bad...) hahaha
J/k you two....but glad you finally saw the light. 
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« Reply #9 on: May 17th, 2006, 6:24am » |
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The latest on the airwaves is "What about the children that are born here of illegal parents -- they are American citizens?"
Well, my opinion on that one -- they GO where the parents go - BACK - and when they're 18 they can decide which citizenship they want (isn't how that works when OUR children are born in a foreign country? - military kids  ) Had a neighbor born in Germany and she had a dual citizenship until she reached 18 and then went thru the paperwork to "decide" to be American rather than German.
Document them and then send them back to Mexico with their parents until they grow up. After that they can "sponser" their parents to come here if they still like them.
But Jonny you're right -- Bush is a *&^^% idiot!
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« Reply #10 on: May 17th, 2006, 6:55am » |
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on May 17th, 2006, 6:24am, BarbaraD wrote:
Well, my opinion on that one -- they GO where the parents go - BACK - and when they're 18 they can decide which citizenship they want (isn't how that works when OUR children are born in a foreign country? - military kids ) Had a neighbor born in Germany and she had a dual citizenship until she reached 18 and then went thru the paperwork to "decide" to be American rather than German.
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Not exactly - a person born to a parent who is an American citizen is a citizen from day 1, no matter where they are born. It's a legal doctrine called jus sanguine, doctrine of blood. There is a form to fill out at any US embassy, and they will 'convert' the foreign birth certificate into the equivalent of a US birth certificate ... called a "Report of a US Citizen Born Abroad." That's what my daughter has, and she has had a US passport since she was knee high to a grasshopper.
The other side of the coin is jus soli, doctrine of soil. Born on US soil = US citizen. I don't know as much about the details of that one, the US Constitution does mention it.
Quote:Amendment XIV.
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. |
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Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it.....
« Reply #11 on: May 17th, 2006, 7:14am » |
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Common sense goes out the window when you need votes. It seems that the only people who don't want an amnesty or special treatment for Illegal aliens aren't running for any office.
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Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it.....
« Reply #12 on: May 17th, 2006, 7:45am » |
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No matter how you look at it rewarding lawbreakers and punishing those following the law is wrong no matter what the motivation IMHO.  It is just sad. 
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Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it.....
« Reply #13 on: May 17th, 2006, 8:08am » |
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I'm gonna run my ass out on a limb here (so please dont' anyone grab a saw). How does anyone propose that we round up 10-12 million people (including women, infants/children and the elderly) and remove them from the US? Right now, we (as in the US) is probably one of the most despised countries in the world. Even those who marginally like us are not going to continue to do so when the press sends pictures around the world of the elderly and infants/children being *removed* and sent back to Mexico, et al at the hands of armed men.
I can't say that there aren't parts of Bush's plan that I agree with. He is NOT suggesting that blanket amnesty be given to illegals in this country, nor is he suggesting that they get special treatment and be allowed to obtain citizenship through an accelerated path. From what I understood, those that are here illegally, they will go to the end of the line, behind all those that are trying to obtain citizenship legally (oen report stated that it would take 10 years to obtain citizenzhip).
As for using the guard~what does anyone suggest? Build a wall? Sure, but better get read to pony up about a billion dollars to build it.
For those of you who say that what the president is doing with the guard is not their duty~
on May 16th, 2006, 9:45pm, BobG wrote:
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well, that's not quite correct either.
1) Article I, Section 8; Clause 15
The Congress shall have Power ... To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.
I do believe that thousands of illegals crossing the border illegally would come under the classical definition of *Invasion*.
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1) enforce the existing immigration/labor laws
2) 6 months to register for and obtain a visa. Work, school, visitor doesn't matter, apply for what you need.
3) If you haven't applied in time you will be sent home
4) If you violate the terms of your visa you cannot be approved for another one.
5) hire/ train enough border protection agents. I think the number is 6,000
6) keep up the pressure to get it right. The only reason immigration is headlines is because voters are upset and letting people know it.
Unfortunatly rule for one is rule for all. Age, gender, health or nationality it makes no difference. By applying even, fair pressure to get legal or get out, many will go home, more will try and get legal and the rest will be sent home.
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You still haven't said *how* we are supposed to do this. All you did was say what needed to be done, that's like telling me to bake a wedding cake and handing me the recipe, but no tools to bake it with.
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I agree too.....I believe the answer lies in the economics of the situation.....supply and demand....we (American Companies) demand cheap labor because we demand cheap products (and higher profits).....Mexico supplies the cheap labor.
Following the current laws (I-9's etc) on the books would cull a lot of it but the answer lies in curtailing the demand for $2.00 an hour labor, which don’t seem likely....hmmm....punish the companies that willingly employ illeagles?
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« Reply #17 on: May 17th, 2006, 10:13am » |
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on May 16th, 2006, 9:26pm, Jonny wrote:The President is a fucking retard!!!
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Yep! He's a 
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« Reply #18 on: May 17th, 2006, 10:34am » |
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In other countries, if an American wants to work there, he/she applies for a work visa. This has to be renewed periodically (usually every 3 months - depending on the country). If you don't report for the renewal (and a lot of time that means leaving the country for a while and then coming back) - you go to jail or worse (depending on the country).
Even in Venezuela (a thrid world country if I ever saw one) they KEEP UP with "guest workers" and come after you if you don't renew your visa. Now, if these OTHER countries can keep up with people who are "guests" in their country WHY the hell can't the US?
Over the past 40+ years I've been in and out of the US and coming back in I ALWAYS get questioned by the immigration people. Why aren't they doing this to others?
As far as the border goes -- put up the wall and if you catch the illegals - send 'em back.
Maybe instead of tapping all our phones, the US government should start checking SS cards on jobsites. Fine the hell out of the employer and send the employee back.
And as far as I-9s go, most people don't even bother with them. As I've said before, I've never known anyone to get checked on them, so people just don't fool with them. I always did, but most people I know don't even know what they are (small companies).
It's taken a lot of years of "ignoring" this problem to get into this fix, so it'll take a little while to get out of it, but it's time Congress did SOMETHING besides talk!
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Re: Ok, I will be the one to say it.....
« Reply #19 on: May 17th, 2006, 10:54am » |
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Step one is to apply the laws in place already. Personnel is a problem so give local police the power to check and prosecute immigration violations. Right now only Homelandd security can do that.
As for the rest its a matter of upgrading the systems already in place to expedite visa applications.
BUT it MUST be rule for one rule for all. That includes Canadians, Europeans, Asians, everyone!
If you do that the number increase way beyond the 12-14 million Latinos. Are we willing to go that far?
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on May 17th, 2006, 8:08am, deltadarlin wrote:| As for using the guard~what does anyone suggest? Build a wall? Sure, but better get read to pony up about a billion dollars to build it. |
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Just a drop in the bucket if you look at what we are spending in the middle east. Is the revelation that the president is a moron, surrounded by criminals, finally going to open the eyes of the few that still think that the war is a good thing?
on May 17th, 2006, 9:13am, Mark C wrote:| Following the current laws (I-9's etc) on the books would cull a lot of it but the answer lies in curtailing the demand for $2.00 an hour labor, which don’t seem likely....hmmm....punish the companies that willingly employ illegals? |
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Unfortunately, I know a few business people that use illegals in their businesses. They don’t pay them $2.00 and hour, they get pretty decent money. I believe the incentive is the elimination of paying workmans comp and social security fees. I’m all for fining the business owners, but some businesses will go under because the overhead increase will facilitate the need for a price increase in the goods or services provided, and people will not pay more for it.
on May 16th, 2006, 10:21pm, DonnaHar wrote:| When are we the people going to say enough is enough? |
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The country actually said enough is enough in the last election. Bush lost the popular vote. Unfortunately, in this case, the electoral college did not protect us, it hurt us.
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You know---- every now and then one of these blowhards gets a chance to tilt the scale back his way just a bit. No such luck here. Bush succeeded in making everybody mad....even the barbed wire stringing, AK-47 weilding, barricaded lunatic encamped fringe hate him.
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on May 17th, 2006, 11:14am, Charlie wrote:Bush succeeded in making everybody mad....even the barbed wire stringing, AK-47 weilding, barricaded lunatic encamped fringe hate him.
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You mean, like..... Jonny?
Actually Jonny... you're not the first to say it...
I've been saying it all along. 
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Jonny isn't barricaded. He's on the loose raoming freely and at will.
And you let a bunch of Mexcan illegals scare you?
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Hay, so when I came to the convention can I take advantage of the situation, and be an American.........
Would it work? Oh and I do have A SS Nr. so I am 1/2 way IN........
Jonny..... can I? PLS........
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