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GAS WAR - an idea that WILL work
This was originally sent by a retired Coca Cola executive It came from one of his engineer buddies who retired from Halliburton. It's worth your consideration.
Join the resistance!!!! I hear we are going to hit close to $ 4.00 a gallon by next summer and it might go higher!! Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action.
Phillip Hollsworth offered this good idea. This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going around last April or May!
The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever
thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read on and join with us!
By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $2.79 for regular unleaded in my town. Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50 - $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace..not sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And, we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How?
Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war.
Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp out on me at this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!
I am sending this note to 30 people. If each of us send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth group of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers.
If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all!
(If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is send this to 10 people.... Well, let's face it, you just aren't a mathematician. But I am . so trust me on this one.
How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting together we can make a difference.
If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. I suggest that we not buy from EXXON/MOBIL UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK.
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« Reply #1 on: Apr 17th, 2006, 2:45pm » |
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I saw this a few weeks back. I am doing it as well.
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Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It
« Reply #2 on: Apr 17th, 2006, 2:59pm » |
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STFU and complain about the gas-prizes 
We are paying $1.7047/litre = close to $6,8188 for 1 gallon.
If my mind is working 1 gallon=3,7 litre
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Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It
« Reply #3 on: Apr 17th, 2006, 3:09pm » |
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Svenn,
Yep, think your math is right...@ $6.82 a gallon. I remember when I was stationed in Germany-we never, never, never wanted to buy gas off-base-it was outrageous. Problem here is the price can jump 10-15 cents per gallon over night with no discernable reason. I'm looking into the vegie oil running engine. Hybrids are too expensive. I think the Europeans have a good handle on some of this-they walk-they carpool, they take public transportation, and they ride bikes. High gas prices may have a positive effect, n'est pas?
As for the plan, I already buy my gas from the cheap places-don't know who owns them-how can we tell if a station may be owned by Exxon/Mobil, not the obvious ones, but others without those names on the sign?
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« Reply #4 on: Apr 17th, 2006, 3:27pm » |
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Normally, it'll say ExxonMobil on the pumps, but it's possible they may sell some of their gas generically... Ya might have to find out the gasoline distributor the station uses, then research to find out who their suppliers are. Luckily, most stations get their gas straight from the big guys, so you'll know who's pockets your paddin' with your fill up right away.
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Gas prices are a hot button with me. Boycoting E/M would only work if the loss in sales was net reduction in all gas sales. Most people drive because they have to and this only switches where they buy gas. If the other companys don't see a reduction in sales, (they would see an increase in sales if E/M were boycotted.) they have no incentive to lower prices.
Back in '99, the administration made the EPA enact standards for custom blends of gas/ETOH or gas/MBTE which were to be phased in starting in 2000. This led to the shortages of gas on the left coast because there was a lack of distribution of the "blends" out there. As more of the phase-in kicked in shortages became greater and prices went up further. Congress forced the requirement of these blends and now congress wants to turn around ans sue the makers of MBTE because it has polluted the environment. Now the makers of MBTE stopped producing it and the oil refineries are cought not having the capability to instantly switch over to ETOH blends. Sure the price of oil has gone up but the government has caused a lot of the increase in the pump price of gas.
Now about ETOH in gas. ETOH is much more expensive to produce than gas. It also has less BTU/gal than gas. It is supposed to reduce emmissions in engines by 10%. What they don't tell you is that your gas mileage goes down 15-20% using gas with 10% ETOH in it. (remember last Aug. in the aftermath of Katrina, EPA rules were suspended for ETOH in gas to allow for easier distribution and with 100% gas flowing from the pumps gas mileage shot up 15-20%. ) So in the name of helping the environment, we reduce tailpipe emmissions by 10% but use 15-20% MORE GAS! Corn growers love it. Thank Tommy Dashle for that one!
Now for all you folks outside the USA; I would not say we have cheap gas. YOU are being taxed to death. A whopping chunk of the $6.00/gal price is TAX. You should be complaining to your goverment, not saying how easy we have it.
Yes, the oil companies are reaping huge profits and I think it is wrong but it is not the sole cause for the high gas prices. Speculation on oil futures and goverment medeling is the primary reason for high prices.
OK, I'm done rantin and I'll shut up now 
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Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It
« Reply #6 on: Apr 17th, 2006, 4:57pm » |
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Everybody in my town drives 22 miles each way  to buy their gasoline and horseshit cigarettes on the Seneca Reservation. After that they hop on over to the casino to experience more native American tradition.
I dunno. 44 miles to avoid NY taxes which although are formidible.... Of course I've never bought gas. 
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Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It
« Reply #7 on: Apr 17th, 2006, 4:58pm » |
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I don't buy that excuse for a second. The oil companies netted of 138 BILLION Dollars. This is AFTER all the expenses. That is obscene. I have no problem with making profit, but when a group of companies can RAPE the public and get away with it...
Did you notice how gas prices went down this winter when they were called into Washington to explain, now not one politician is saying a word.. can we say BRIBE???
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Re: Just Think About It Before You Trash It
« Reply #8 on: Apr 17th, 2006, 5:23pm » |
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I am sorry Paul but I have to disagree with pretty much your entire post. Speculation as in futures is a way that oil companies can maximize profits by buying or selling or actually taking delivery of the commodity but has zero relationship to the price at the pump on a large scale. If one particular company really sucks at hedging which is really about all they do anyway then they would need to raise prices while the competition sat back and LTFAO.
As far as the effect of boycotting long term against one or two individual players it would indeed force them to lower prices or start losing shareholders. BP even tho the brits are wonderful people is not going to step up to help Exxon out of a jam and Shell is going to sit and watch until the effect on Exxon really does cause price wars. It has worked in the past and it can work again. Do you remember back in the 60s when Conoco almost disappeared because of the price war inflicted on them by the big boys? I do. It is simply a matter of a massive commitment to absolutely boycott one player and Exxon is a great choice because of their size and the fact that they have huge profits to go to war with.
And OPEC, well they just want to sell oil at the highest price the market will bear and we the consumers can control that market.
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Tim, Economics isn't my strong point and perhaps I'm wrong but with the futures in oil, say when conflict in the mid east is hightened, futures go up (yes to maximize profits) and along with it, the price of a Brl of oil on the open market. This in turn is reflected at the pump. Perhaps I'm missing something.
As far as a boycot, the lost revenue to E/M would have to be reflected in the gas not sold at all, not just made up for by another company. If the country runs on 2M Brl/day, you are still using 2M Brl/day despite who sells it and if E/M goes out of buisness there is one less player so the long term effect would be to drive prices up. As far as Conoco, if I remember correctly, the big oil companys started lowering prices to drive Conoco out. Much different then a boycot from the public.
Did you disagree with the part about ethanol and MBTE? That is directly from the WSJ. and my own knowledge of chenistry and physics and detailed tracking of gas mileage over the past 15 years.
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« Reply #10 on: Apr 17th, 2006, 11:15pm » |
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ExxonMobil is a publicly traded company. I don't hear the stockholders complaining about the profit XOM has made, and the stockholders have the final word in any publicly held company I've heard of. XOM is also the most widely held petroleum/ chemical stock there is.
Also, there is the petro-chemical business to think of, not to mention plastics, and other every day things we all use that are made from petroleum products. And gasoline isn't the only fuel these companies make. You know the brand Hefty? Trash bags, etc? A division of Mobil. Sterlite brand garbage cans, kitchen size, etc, and other plastic containers? Another division of Mobil, now part of Exxon, since they merged. Not buying their brand of gasoline won't put that much of a dent in their business.
Also, let's not forget the taxes on gasoline. It varies from state to state and city to city. In the city and state I live in, there is a hefty $1.25 tax that goes to the city and state, not to mention the federal tax imposed on it. I can drive across the river and pay 10 cents less per gallon, or I can drive 20 miles and pay 20 cents less. Or I can pump my own gas in the sate I live in, and then travel to another state, and pay 10 cents less a gallon, and have someone else pump it for me, because it's the law.
In the last 18 years, the value of my Mobil, now ExxonMobil stock has gone up over 1000% due to dividend reinvestment, and stock splits.
I suppose people could find alternate transportaion to work, school, the grocery store, shopping, vacations, etc. But unless you're walking or riding your bike, you are going to be paying someone for the fuel it takes to get there. And in todays society, with the freedom of being able to drive where you want, when you want, the price of gas is a small price to pay. Not to mention the ability to buy a gas guzzler/ status symbol to hold your fuel in while driving around.
Just be glad you don't live in Europe, or somewhere else, where the price of gas, and other fuels, are about double or more than what we pay here.
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« Reply #11 on: Apr 17th, 2006, 11:25pm » |
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on Apr 17th, 2006, 10:20pm, Paul98 wrote:Tim, Economics isn't my strong point and perhaps I'm wrong but with the futures in oil, say when conflict in the mid east is hightened, futures go up (yes to maximize profits) and along with it, the price of a Brl of oil on the open market. This in turn is reflected at the pump. Perhaps I'm missing something.
As far as a boycot, the lost revenue to E/M would have to be reflected in the gas not sold at all, not just made up for by another company. If the country runs on 2M Brl/day, you are still using 2M Brl/day despite who sells it and if E/M goes out of buisness there is one less player so the long term effect would be to drive prices up. As far as Conoco, if I remember correctly, the big oil companys started lowering prices to drive Conoco out. Much different then a boycot from the public.
Did you disagree with the part about ethanol and MBTE? That is directly from the WSJ. and my own knowledge of chenistry and physics and detailed tracking of gas mileage over the past 15 years.
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No paul I definatly do not disagree with your points involving MBTE .and now you got me right smack in my weak point Chemistry!
The difference between what we the public could accomplish now with a boycott and what happened to Conoco is that BIG BIG OIL like Exxon cannot go under without dragging the entire brotherhood down and they would have no choice but to start a price war. They can't deny that thay have the assets to do it!
As to what happens at the commodity trading centers and their real effect on what we pay it mostly smoke and mirrors. The bottom line is supply and demand. Exxon is way too big a player for the OPEC shmucks to sit back and not find a way for them to continue to do business even if it meant lowering the price per barrel. If and I really mean if they could go under you and I had better start watching Exxon stock prices and get ready to sell short! Then we wouldn't need to worry about the price of gas cuz we would be rich!!! But it's not going to happen. The largest shareholders are groups (mostly funds and holding companies) that are owned by the same people who sell them the oil to begin with. And own the largest percenage of stations.
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CAN U SAY URBAN LEGEND?!
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« Reply #13 on: Apr 18th, 2006, 8:54am » |
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sooooooooo......
The gas is in the tank in the ground, under the pumps. They were filled up LAST WEEK.
HOW do you explain that the cost of that same tank of gas as GONE UP 35 cents a gallon, when they bought it LAST WEEK..
RAPE of the public due to GREED
Dragn, one pissed consumer.
BTW, I walk to work and have for the last eight years. But when it costs $25 to put 8 gallons of gas into a Honda Civic, I would rather pay Taxes.
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I live in Nebraska, I buy Ethanol 10%, and am all for modified autos that run on 85% ethanol. Trust me, there's a boat load of corn out here 
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on Apr 17th, 2006, 3:09pm, kcopelin wrote:| I think the Europeans have a good handle on some of this-they walk-they carpool, they take public transportation, and they ride bikes. |
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Just wanted to say, that they can do that because their countries are a weeeeeee bit smaller than ours. Some of our states are the size of their whole country. I don't think my husband, with his severe asthma even and in the middle of winter, would be all that happy on biking 30 miles one way to werk.
Now, my opinion, GET THEM ETHANOL PLANTS BUILT AND RUNNING!!! 
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I AGREE!
ANYTHING to gouge the oil companies!
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on Apr 18th, 2006, 12:55am, mynm156 wrote:
Pretty hard to argue with that  ................tim
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on Apr 18th, 2006, 12:55am, mynm156 wrote:
I agree that it is an "urban legend". But if everyone stopped buying gas for a month or two, the price would go down. Not just from one company like Exon but all the gas companies. The reason that it would work is the same reason a strike works for a union. The Oil Companies really bank on the whole "urban legend" thing. Well that is a strong statement, but they do know that we will not stop buying their product for more than a day. And that is what it would take, more than one day of boycotts, we would need at least a month, not just a small group but the entire nation.
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Cat and Mel,
If switching to an ethanol economy is what you want be prepaired to pay the cost. Filling your tank will cost over $5/gal and since corn production would have to rise by 11-12X current production (you would have to plant ~600-800 BILLION acers) and corn is one of the hardest crops on soil so be prepaired for the pollution from the run off. Still think it is a good idea?
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Its interesting that no one has brought up conservation.
Everyone is just trying to figure out ways to keep up the same old wastefull habits but at a cheaper price.
If everyone tried as hard to figure out ways to conserve just 10% of what they use it would have a profound effect on the oil co's. bottom line.
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on Apr 18th, 2006, 11:21am, Paul98 wrote:Cat and Mel,
If switching to an ethanol economy is what you want be prepaired to pay the cost. Filling your tank will cost over $5/gal and since corn production would have to rise by 11-12X current production (you would have to plant ~600-800 BILLION acers) and corn is one of the hardest crops on soil so be prepaired for the pollution from the run off. Still think it is a good idea?
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First of all, ethanol would not be 100%. I would think that even putting it at 20% would be efficient enough to offset gas prices here. Oh and btw, it would further reduce our dependency on foreign oil, where we'd have control of the market better. I'd rather pay a steady $5 a gallon instead of wide fluctuations.
Secondly, responsible farming would be madatory. And the U.S. is up there with good farming practices. There is less soil erosion in the U.S. than many countries in the world. It comes from crop rotations.
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on Apr 18th, 2006, 11:31am, karma wrote:Its interesting that no one has brought up conservation.
Everyone is just trying to figure out ways to keep up the same old wastefull habits but at a cheaper price.
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Karma, you are so right! Here I am ranting about what turns out to be a bogus boycott plan and I live in a country where almost no one carpools. Yes people do use public transportation but it is mostly folks who are fortunate enough for that to be convenient for them. When we lived on the island and were paying what you do for fuel we never went over the hill without seeing if someone else needed a ride.
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I'm waiting for the oil sands in Canada to be developed and producing. It'll be the biggest oil source in the world.
Then Dick Chaney can declare war on Canada and sell it to Halliburton.
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Mel,
Most of the US is currently using E-10 (10% ETOH) and the US consumption of oil is above what it was 1-2 years ago. I feel that going to 20% ETOH will have no effect on oil consumption. If you have no problem with paying $5/gal of gas think about what you are willing to pay for food or anything else dependant on energy.
Crop rotation would lessen the impact of corn production but then you would need 1.2-1.6 TRILLION acers ADDED to current land that is now being tilled.
I personally think growing food for use as a fuel is pure arrogance and downright sinfull when 1/3-1/2 of the world population is malnourished. Less oil consumption through better efficiency is a good way to go but as the world population increases so does energy use.
It boils down to to over population.
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