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Honda over Harley
« on: Apr 2nd, 2006, 12:19am » |
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Just got this email today from a friend that keeps up on stuff..........
HARLEY-DAVIDSON Sells to Honda
MILWAUKEE (April 1, 2006) - Harley-Davidson (NYSE: HDI) unofficially today announced the sale of the United States based motorcycle company to Honda Corporation - a leading motorcycle manufacturer in Japan. Operating Harley-Davidson, the company will continue to offer Harley-Davidson® motorcycles, related products and after-sales service.
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Re: Honda over Harley
« Reply #1 on: Apr 2nd, 2006, 12:56am » |
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Look at the date. I am pretty sure you have nothing to worry about 
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Re: Honda over Harley
« Reply #2 on: Apr 2nd, 2006, 5:27am » |
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This is the only related article I could find, born to be wild rice Pam 
NEWS WRAP: Harley-Davidson To Open Dealership In China
2:14 PM EDT March 23, 2006
MILWAUKEE (AP)--Harley-Davidson Inc. (HDI) will open its first dealership in China next month, marking the company's entry into the burgeoning economy.
Beijing Harley-Davidson, partnered with dealer Beijing Feng Huo Lun, will open in early April, the Milwaukee motorcycle manufacturer said Thursday.
"The quality of the Beijing Harley-Davidson dealership experience will be first-class in every respect," said David Foley, the company's managing director in China. "Customers will get a real understanding and appreciation of the Harley-Davidson lifestyle."
This will mark the motorcycle maker's first retail outlet in the country since at least World War II.
The new dealership will be in Beijing's Fourth Ring Road, just outside the downtown area and just within limits of motorcycle operation. Motorcycles may not be operated within the city's Third Ring Road, a 30-mile highway that encircles the center of the city.
The dealership will have 14 staff members initially and be headed by Feng Huo Lun's founder, owner and executive director, Wan Jidong.
The dealership will sell several makes of Harley-Davidson motorcycles, parts, accessories, merchandise and collectibles. Sales and service will be offered, as will rider training and events including organized rides.
Entry into the Chinese market is expected to be gradual because the market is limited by ownership and riding restrictions in most large cities and on highways, Harley-Davidson said. A population with a limited, but growing, disposable income also will prove a challenge, it said.
Harley-Davidson said it planned to develop the market for heavyweight motorcycles and work on addressing riding restrictions.
The first Harley-Davidson motorcycle club attracted 15 members after Chinese authorities finally approved their application to form the club in China."
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« Reply #4 on: Apr 2nd, 2006, 11:47am » |
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Harley would never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever sell to Honda !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Honda over Harley
« Reply #5 on: Apr 2nd, 2006, 1:55pm » |
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Better not sell cuz my future son-in law would have a coniption - he's a Harley man!
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Re: Honda over Harley
« Reply #6 on: Apr 2nd, 2006, 3:29pm » |
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Well heres my two cents of blathering on this subject. I don't keep in tune really all that much with the cycle world, however I'm always in tune with the latest developments regarding passenger cars. Latest products in relation to the restoration market etc.
Concerning the latest plugs for the Honda 'shadow' series of bikes which you can have customized, or built to your own specifications through a wide array of accessories, bolt on etc. These appear to be a 'headache free' way of obtaining a 'custom' appearing bike that I would bet are pretty reliable as well.
The only major drawback I can see is who really wants to be seen riding a shiny, custom Harley Davidson knock off that was (worst yet) assembled in a Honda factory somewhere?
Again all around great bikes I'm sure, but I get the feeling a lot of 'bike' guys would equate this to wearing a sign that read "I'm not really capable of piecing together my own custom bike, so I ordered this one that may fool the average person into thinking that I do."
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« Reply #7 on: Apr 2nd, 2006, 4:03pm » |
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I would think that Harley-Davidson may have learned their lesson during the AMF years.
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Re: Honda over Harley
« Reply #8 on: Apr 2nd, 2006, 6:47pm » |
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Just thought I'd comment on this, since I live in Milwaukee and ride cycles and one of my current cycle is a Honda.
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I've ridden for decades in a mixed group so I have some experience.
Anyone who thinks "American" equates to "Quality" is mistaken. I know dozens of plant workers (I live 20 mintes away) and the tolorences are so loose in the Harly plant it is crazy. Not to mention there are Japanese parts (namely the carbs) on some Harley products.
Every year, for the last 15 or so, some Harley guy can't start riding when the group does because his won't start this year, regardless of how new it is. Monthly, rides are stopped because someone's Harley breaks down and "can someone on a rice-burner" go get me x-part?" I've seen many a friend sell the Harley for a more reliable bike. My best friend sold his after years of extra work to get a bike that "I can just ride".
Most real bikers admit they own a Harley because they enjoy the working on the bike, as much as riding it, and consider the trade-off for reliablility for ease to work on and customize and acceptable one.
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Re: Honda over Harley
« Reply #9 on: Apr 2nd, 2006, 6:55pm » |
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on Apr 2nd, 2006, 6:47pm, superhawk2300 wrote:| Monthly, rides are stopped because someone's Harley breaks down and "can someone on a rice-burner" go get me x-part?" . |
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I dont care where you live, in 25 years I have never seen a run canceled (Or stopped) because one bike wouldnt start.
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Re: Honda over Harley
« Reply #10 on: Apr 2nd, 2006, 7:07pm » |
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Such a move would have to pass stock holder approval......I'm a stock holder and they have not sent any materials concerning a buyout. A buyout by a Japanese company by any name would kill HD's business in the US.
Sounds like a April Fools joke to me.
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Re: Honda over Harley
« Reply #11 on: Apr 2nd, 2006, 7:11pm » |
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I have been following this thread with tongue in cheek. I have lived a blessed motorcycle life. I have owned hondas, more harleys than one person should and even one indian. my phylosophy and the guys i always rode with was as long as you were riding thats what mattered more than what. currently i am riding a honda vtx1800. while it may not be my style it fills the bill i'm in the wind. I don't think this thread was started as a pissing contest btween honda and harley. harley actually helped honda get started after ww11 in the war reperations act. The only thing that really bothered me was someone proclaiming to know nothing about bikes saying that people who buy hondas don't. tell that to the gut who waited on the side of the road for an hour thinking his bike was broken to have a guy on a honda (me) pull over and show him how to put the petcock on reserve. we're all out there riding together so lets just chill the fuck out and behave or i'll spank ya with my 1800. now behave.
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Re: Honda over Harley
« Reply #12 on: Apr 2nd, 2006, 7:16pm » |
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So now that I've talked about how dependable Harleys are, let talk about things more general.
1/4 of WI residents are very biased and worship Harley 1/2 don't care and the other 1/4 HATE Harley.
In Wisconsin, more often or not owning a Harley is about thinking oneself is cool, not actually riding the thing. I am convinced that 3/4 of all Harleys are boughten by people who never will work on the bike, and put just a few hundred miles a year on them, usually just down to the corner bar or Water street to show off how "cool" they are. This is where they all stand around in a group looking at each others bikes and waiting for people to notice them, like a 10 year old with a new BB gun, except they are mostly middle aged adults acting like 10 year olds. If they feel they are not getting enough attention they will start the bikes and rev the engines to attract attention. Then they take off in a drunken blaze driving way too fast for downtown streets, weaving in and out of lanes and acting like they own the road, endangering pedestrians, until they reach their posh-suburban homes, waking everyone within 2 miles of thier noisey ego-penis extention rides. They put the jeans away and get the suit out ready for another day of work as a corporate yes man. My 46 year old jewish lawyer rides a Harley, complete with satalite phone bag, the light up key chain, matching boots, jacket and bandana. Kind if a low-self esteem adult version of "Geranimals". Yeah he is a real Hell's Angel. Deceased bikers everywhere are turning in their graves.
The other end of the sprectrum is people who live is squalar, whose kids wear ripped clothes and don't have enough to eat and are on government assitance - but dad has a 26,000 dollar cycle.
I assume Harley-itis is worse in Wi than other states. There isn't much to be excited about here. I wish the whole plant could be air lifted somewhere else. I hate to generalize but at the last rally I saw a kid with a "you are my hero" sign talking to a guy on a hog, who leans over to puke, then pulls out anouther beer from the saddle bag and continues talking to the kid.
Out of state hog riders are generally more curtious, safe and friendly (less ego trippy) than the in state people.
All of this if for in-state purposes I consider buying a Harley for a serious rider an intelligence test, and for a casual rider and ego check.
And my Honda is more American made than any Ford, Dodge, or Chevy auto, which all have foriegn parts and or are assembeld in Mexico. My bike has the"Made in USA" sticker on it - more than 97% USA parts and labor - Ohio plant.
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Re: Honda over Harley
« Reply #13 on: Apr 2nd, 2006, 7:20pm » |
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I know Brad'd never ride anything else but then he LOVES to work on them and it's not a problem for him.......we have old bikes and he's had the motors rebuilt and stroked out......there silent beasts cuz there old and no one has a clue they have the power they have and he doesn't have them all custom'd out. He won't pay for all the frills. Funny thing is we have spent alot of time on poker runs fetchin parts or Brad diggin his tool bag out of his old bikes saddlebags to work on the other NEWER bikes broke down. Ya gotta check your shit and recheck it.......people who jus want to jump on and ride and do nothing or have no mechanic knowldege do good on somea the other bikes. But I must admit......old harley riders love the challenge. Our friends ride all types of bikes........we don't care. We just happen to love the old stock look. But I do like somea the custom stuff but mostly old school. Sum bikes are made to ride.....some are jus made to look at. (fancy custom choppers) Choppers make my back hurt jus lookin at em Pam
Yeah....I think that was a joke bout the Harley takeover......I forgot all about joke day !!!
PS: Yeah superhawk dude I know a little bout what yer sayin as far as what we call 'wannabe bikers or weekend warriers'......they buy the bike and all the new accessories like jackets and shirts and cool boots and stuff and even get rain suits and bike covers and expensive helmets and gloves. But they only ride a few hours a month and jump on and all there 'gear' with them and ride a few miles. And all they do is gloat they have a Harley and make fun of others.........they really don't know how to ride well or what it's all about. Few drops of rain or claps of thunder and POOF there headed home. They think it's a COOLNESS thing they can buy. They don't even know how to change a dam headlight and sum can't handle there booze and ride but they think that's all it is about. Ya gotta eat sleep and live motorcycles to really have a clue. We have slept on the ground next to ours.......rode in torrential downpours and even hail for hours on end......stood along the road when friends bikes were down or they went down. And we have eatin alot of dirt oil and grime....Brad knows the motors inside and out and everyone comes to him for help on mechanical stuff and parts knowledge. He's even made parts......been ridein over 30 years since high school. I've seen alot of bikers peuk before but not around kids cuz we do have sum tact ! Course myself I can spin in a circle and do that on a normal day.
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Re: Honda over Harley
« Reply #14 on: Apr 2nd, 2006, 7:26pm » |
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Jonny - come on over - my friend shawns bike isnt running and he just took my Susuki to his house to use for awhile. - the first of many.
And we don't cancel our rides, people juist use other peoples bikes or don't come.
To argue Harleys are a most reliable quality built bike is just not accepting the data. Hell there are 6 or so guys in my group that have Harleys AND Honda's and each one of them prefers to ride the Honda but love to show off the Harley.
I ride in a mixed group - I have ridden hogs and lots of my friends ride hogs. What matters is that we do ride and we enjoy the friendly bantering back and forth. I'm just glad I am now on more reliable wheels - I don't eat crow that well and prefer to dish it out.
The reason I reponded to this was to share my experience from WI, where owning a Harley could have nothing to do with actually enjoying to ride motorcycles.
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Re: Honda over Harley
« Reply #15 on: Apr 2nd, 2006, 7:30pm » |
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Please point out where I said that!.....Thank you.
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« Reply #16 on: Apr 2nd, 2006, 7:32pm » |
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Cootie brings up a good point which kinda helps paint my picture
"people who jus want to jump on and ride and do nothing or have no mechanic knowldege"
Lots of credit card Harleys get sold up here. People who have never ridden a bike at all before buy a bike that needs a heavier maintence routine because it is cool. I see a lot of tiny chicks city riding bikes that weigh so much I wouldn't want to hiway ride them ( and I play semi-pro football), and I wonder what the motivation is.
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« Reply #17 on: Apr 2nd, 2006, 7:39pm » |
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Oh and by the way......."NO WAY" was this ment to be a pissin contest between name brands.......it hit close to home cuz of how Japan is takein all our jobs type stuff. Brad has other bikes and is big time into building and rebuilding dirt bikes and mini bikes all brands (includeing addin a sidecar to a mini bike for camping fun) and now he is workin on some sort of bazaar trike that is more of less the size of a 4-wheeler. But we don't discriminate even tho the honda jokes do come up.....so do the blonde jokes and alot of harley jokes also. Lotta weekend bikes go to some of the hot spots we go to off and on and all they do is BRAG and get rip roarin drunk......and even Brad in all his Harley wisdom starts to RAG ON them as wannabee biker dumbasses. Our first bike was a Triump and second a BSA.....third was a 1942 '45 flathead civilian model Harley. We been round the block a 'few times' Pam
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« Reply #18 on: Apr 2nd, 2006, 7:39pm » |
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Jonny - Didn't mean you specificly - just talking about my experiences in general, when we've stopped rides. And when I say "ride stopped" I mean it started but stopped on the side of the hiway while someone gets a bike fixed, not stopped like not going to do it because one persons bike doesn't work.
I knew I'd catch hell for this post, but I figured I can show up at the convention with my Harley friends who agreew they don't ride the hogs for pain-free riding experiene.
I know I typed a lot, but I really am a live and let live guy. The Harley guys I ride with are the same as me - just want to ride.
Some people in WI are pretty off the wall though, and some poeple don't get that, which I guess is the point. I know Harley groups that won't let women ride with them or make them ride in the back of the formation, or won't even talk to guys who ride non-Harley bikes, like we are lepars or something.
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« Reply #22 on: Apr 2nd, 2006, 7:59pm » |
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In that case I can charge ya - unless you're too insecure to ride a "jap bike" - JK!!! man we are gonna have a GREAT time!
To steal my friend Shawn's words - I don't care if you ride a pink motorscooter with sparkly tassles - if it has two wheels you can ride with us.
For those die-hards who want to see - the Harley plant isn't that far away from the convention.
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Re: Honda over Harley
« Reply #23 on: Apr 2nd, 2006, 8:20pm » |
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hey Pam, you and Brad sound like my kind of people. I got to go to a party tonight where it will be a fucking holloween party, everyone dressed the part but noone i can talk bikes with. oh well the beer will be cold take care jim
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Um....I think we'd have a little too much fun with the pink scooter bike and tassels.......ha-ha-ha. I wouldn't wanna ride with a group that wouldn't talk to people who rode other types of bikes or not want women around. When we first started ridein we'd 'just take off and go rideing' !!!! We'd go visit sum friends that had harley's back then and we'd ride around with them but they would NOT talk to us or even look at us while on the bikes. Really bugged us cuz we rode more then they did anyhow......they were bein JERKS.......a duel between the have and the have nots. Now we meet new riders and the first thing they do when we invite them to go ridein and do stuff with us is they 'appologize' cuz they ride jap or british bikes !!! We always make sure to clarify rite off the bat that does NOT matter to us.....but I do warn them somea the guys do crack alot of jokes about jap bikes but it's harmless crap and not to be offended. There WAS a time when we were real rebels and knocked everything but harleys and am sure others go thru that faze. But people like us jus need to set them all straight since we are TRUE riders and they know we been doin it forever. And I must admit I now sleep in a camper when at all possible.....no more sleepin on the ground or in the side car......ha-ha......even a tent is too ROUGH these days but we do it. Brad don't last long at those wannabee biker parties where everyone got dressed up but can't play the part.......he's the one ya always see along the road with grease up to his elbows helpin whom ever on whatever breaks down. Ride free but ride safe Pam
We wanted to go see the Harley museum when at the convention but don't look like we can make it now.......dam it !!!! We've got two bikes too.......a '69 with sidecar and '77 shovel. (and lots of mini bike MONSTER garage projects Brad has created or createing)
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