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vietvet2tours
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Tracking terror
« on: Mar 27th, 2006, 1:57pm » |
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Why couldn't we implant these chips in all the terrorists in custody and then let them go. Some of these guys would make it back to Osama then WHACK. Just in theory mind you. Potter
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Re: Tracking terror
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on Mar 27th, 2006, 1:57pm, vietvet2tours wrote: Why couldn't we implant these chips in all the terrorists in custody and then let them go. Some of these guys would make it back to Osama then WHACK. Just in theory mind you. Potter |
| Hey potter you know as well as I do, most of those clowns would cut the body part off just to be rid of the implant.... But now I wonder who you work for.... Potter I was serious about the first part...most would be happy to cut off a body part for their belief..so the only place we could implant those things would be their head
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Re: Tracking terror
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Quote:Hey potter you know as well as I do, most of those clowns would cut the body part off just to be rid of the implant.... |
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Re: Tracking terror
« Reply #3 on: Mar 27th, 2006, 2:26pm » |
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Drug em and change time, put them microchips where the sun don't shine. I got a drug called versette once. It makes ya forget anything that happens to ya.Doc. could have ya standing on your head fartin Yankee Doodle Dandy if he wanted to. Potter
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Re: Tracking terror
« Reply #4 on: Mar 27th, 2006, 2:33pm » |
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on Mar 27th, 2006, 2:26pm, vietvet2tours wrote: Drug em and change time, put them microchips where the sun don't shine. I got a drug called versette once. It makes ya forget anything that happens to ya.Doc. could have ya standing on your head fartin Yankee Doodle Dandy if he wanted to. Potter |
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Re: Tracking terror
« Reply #5 on: Mar 27th, 2006, 3:01pm » |
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Implant the damn things... drug 'em whatever it takes. I just got this and for some reason it makes sense: Interesting Can Muslims be good Americans? One has to choose ones own allegiance. ------- Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and a loyal citizen? Consider this: Theologically, no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia. Scripturally, no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran). Geographically, no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day. Socially, no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews. Politically, no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan. Domestically, no, because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge hi s wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34). Religiously, no Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256) Intellectually, no, because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt. Philosophically, no, because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and _expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic. Spiritually, no, because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as our heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names. Therefore after much study and deliberation....perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both good Muslims and good Americans. Call i t what you wish...it's still the truth. If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country. Pass it on. The war is bigger than we know. And we're opening our borders for more of this crap!!!! Hugs BD
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on Mar 27th, 2006, 3:01pm, BarbaraD wrote: Oh, Barb, ... So much ignorance, so little time. So I'll just point out the obvious fallacies in a few, and you can take my word for it that most of this is utter rubbish. Mohammed was a descendant of Abraham, the founder of monotheism in the Middle East (note to self: Abraham was not a honkey, although Abraham Lincoln was). Mohammed worshiped the same God as the Jews and Christians. And the Islamic ideas about the nature of God are much closer to original Judaism than Christianity. Muslims may use a different word to address God, but not many Christians use the same Hebrew or Aramaic terms from 2000 to 4000 years ago. Most people who speak European languages don't know the name of God, so they use a generic descriptor. His god, her god, my God. The 99 names of God are not all listed in the Quran, as the post stated. They include attributes that are translated along the lines of the affectionate/the loving (Al-Wadud). the kind (Al-Latif), and the forgiving (Al-Ghafoor). Most of them are things like infinite, the begining (alpha) and the end (omega) - obviously strange concepts (unless one is familiar with other middle eastern religions like Judaism or Christianity). The Islamic idea of god Not necessarily like the modern American concept of {God = Love} - again, its more like the orthodox Jewish beliefs. And I guess its not suprising that someone that thinks in English might make the mistake that love is not included as an attribute/name of God ... after all, English uses the same word 'love' for the tender relation between a mother and child, for the attitudes of the saints toward their fellow man, and for the roll in the hay of two fornicators. Most well developed languages have distinct words for each of these distinct states. Can't make friends with non-Muslims?? Hah! Sure, some parents are strict and don't want their kids mixing with infidels, except when they are trying to convert them. True of some Muslims and some Christians, but false when speaking of either religion as a whole. Islam prevents them from following the US Constitution? Nope. It's funny how people think that the US Constitution is a Christian document ... sure, most (but not all) of the founding fathers were Christians, but when they talked about whether to include references to God or Jesus in the Constitution, they agreed it was a bad idea. So we have a constitution that says that we have a Senate, and here's what they do, we have a president, here's what the prez does. The Constitution is a like a corporate charter - doesn't deal with religious issues, which are the purvey of the individual conscience. And we have a Bill of Rights, which limits the government, specifically, they " ... shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ..." Forgive me if I am a bit paranoid, but I suspect that some of the flag waving idiots that passing around this epistle wouldn't mind prohibiting the Mohammedan religion - which makes them enemies of the Constitution. I also wonder, BarbaraD - are you intentionally breaking the commandment and BEARING FALSE WITNESS against your Muslim neighbors, or were you simply possessed to post those slanders by a spirit of the times, one which counsels that the Samaritans should be scorned and treated with contempt?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan Note to Vietvet2tours: shut-up, Barney Fife. You are giving away the plan!!
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Re: Tracking terror
« Reply #7 on: Mar 27th, 2006, 8:04pm » |
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I got a $1000 that says if there was news footage of your loved one jumping from the top of the WTC you would have a completely different outlook on this, Flo. Now stop picking on one of our favorite seasoned citizens (A women to boot) and get back to doing whatever you do around here.
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on Mar 27th, 2006, 8:04pm, Jonny wrote:I got a $1000 that says if there was news footage of your loved one jumping from the top of the WTC you would have a completely different outlook on this, Flo. Now stop picking on one of our favorite seasoned citizens (A women to boot) and get back to doing whatever you do around here. |
| And would your view of Christianity change if you had a loved one that died at the Oklahoma City bombing, or had a cross burned in their yard by the Christian Knights of the KK-Klan?? Or can you make a distinction between good Christians and Bad Christians, between the acts of fanatics and the behavior of the average Joe and Jalil? And what does the fact that she is a woman have anything to do with it?? If my grandmother were alive and here, she would make the distinction between a woman and a lady, and verbally lay into her for her ignorant anti-Christ behavior. I could tell you a story about my silver haired Presby granny when she visited the Temple of the Tooth in India with a group of irreverant Americans in 1946 (the phrase "Ugly American" hadn't been popularized yet) , but you wouldn't believe it. Go back to my little patch and be quiet? Ha. She had her say, I sure am going to have mine. And I'm not the only one that will call her on posts like that.
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Re: Tracking terror
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on Mar 27th, 2006, 8:24pm, floridian wrote:And would your view of Christianity change |
| I have no view on religion, I dont believe in a man in the sky that will send you to hell....But, he says loves you....I follow my own rule. Ok, I will rephrase this. on Mar 27th, 2006, 8:04pm, Jonny wrote:I got a $1000 that says if there was news footage of your loved one jumping from the top of the WTC you would have a completely different outlook on this, Flo......Right? |
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No, I don't believe I would have a different opinion on every member of a group of 1 billion people just because a few of them are rotten, Jonny. If a loved one of yours was raped by a man and committed suicide, would you become a man-hater and surgically convert to the non-rapist gender?? Or would you face the fact that some men are rapists but most are not?? I can understand how some women are severely traumatized by rape and end up as man-haters as a result, but I see that as a mental illness induced by the injury - not a valid ideology.
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Re: Tracking terror
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LMMFAO....You are reaching for straws now, Flo Its beautiful Edit to add:....So you are saying that if a woman is raped she is a mental case? You apologists are all the same, he who commits the crime is not guilty, the victim is.....what a crock of shit!!!
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Quote: Edit to add:....So you are saying that if a woman is raped she is a mental case? You apologists are all the same, he who commits the crime is not guilty, the victim is.....what a crock of shit!!! |
| Can you r-e-a-d what I wrote. I did not say that all women who are raped are mentally ill. I gave a case where a women who is raped is so traumatized that she develops a mental illness. It happens sometimes. I'm not saying it is her fault, merely recognizing it as an illness. And where did I apologize for rape or rapists? It's your crock. I wasn't trying to redefine rape as good, or blame the victim. Merely pointing out that victimhood doesn't give anyone the the right to redefine all men as rapists, or all Muslims as killers. You are the one who is arguing against the the idea that the guilty one is the one who commits the crime. 19 Muslim men hijack planes and kill people and you think all 1.2 billion Muslims are to blame?? That its ok to harangue and harass anyone in America who is Muslim because of the 19? When someone is different (color skin, hair, eyes, language, religion) and they do something bad, people erroneously link the the behaviour to the group. But when someone who is of the same group does something bad, it is explained differently - they were a cracked egg, they made a bad decision. When people get drunk and kill people or hurt themselves, society doesn't talk about banning alcohol. They talk about individual responsibility, or the emotional problems that person had. But if some one uses cannabis or shrooms and does the same thing, people get frightened and launch a war on drugs. Why? Because alcohol is familiar, it is self. The other drugs are seen as exotic, foreign, and inherently dangerous. In spite of any medical evidence to the contrary.
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Re: Tracking terror
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on Mar 27th, 2006, 9:32pm, floridian wrote:19 Muslim men hijack planes and kill people and you think all 1.2 billion Muslims are to blame?? |
| When their religion tells them to kill anyone that does not whorship their god.....we better take a hard fast look at them and decide whos going to live and whos going to die. Just how long do you think you would be alive if you moved over there, Flo?.....How long? Yup, those are the folks I want around me.......even you would piss yourself crying as they cut your head off!! Get real!!!
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on Mar 27th, 2006, 10:07pm, Jonny wrote: When their religion tells them to kill anyone that does not whorship their god.....we better take a hard fast look at them and decide whos going to live and whos going to die. Just how long do you think you would be alive if you moved over there, Flo?.....How long? Yup, those are the folks I want around me.......even you would piss yourself crying as they cut your head off!! Get real!!! |
| So, mulegirl, since most crimes in the US are committed by white Christian males, should we get rid of them as well? You are a racist, plain and simple. Your playing Mr. Tough Guy is an attempt to make up for your impotence. You never did answer my question about whether or not you ever served in the US Armed Forces.
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Re: Tracking terror
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Maths Teacher Arrested AT NEW YORK's Kennedy airport today, an individual – later discovered to be a public school teacher - was arrested trying to board a flight while in possession of a ruler, a protractor, a slide rule, and a calculator. At a morning press conference, the U. S. Attorney General disclosed that he believes the man to be a member of the notorious al-gebra movement. He is being charged by the FBI with carrying weapons of math instruction. "Al-gebra is a fearsome cult," he declared. "They seek average solutions by means and extremes, and sometimes go off on tangents in search of absolute value. They use secret code names like 'x' and 'y' and refer to themselves as 'unknowns,' but we have determined they belong to a common denominator of the axis of medieval with coordinates in every country. As the Greek philanderer Isosceles used to argue, there are three sides to every triangle." When asked to comment on the arrest, the President stated, "If God had wanted us to have better weapons of math instruction, He would have given us more fingers and toes. I am gratified that our government has shown us a sine that it is intent on protracting us from these math-dogs, who are willing to disintegrate us with calculus disregard. Murky statisticians love to inflict plane on every sphere of influence. Under the circumferences, we must differentiate their root, make our point, and draw the line." The President warned, "These weapons of math instruction have the potential to decimal everything in their math on a scalene never before seen, unless we become exponents of a Higher Power and begin to factor in random facts of vertex." The Attorney General concluded, "As our Great Leader would say, read my ellipse. Here is one principle he is uncertain of: though they continue to multiply, their days are numbered as the hypotenuse tightens." Just goes to show -?
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on Mar 27th, 2006, 10:07pm, Jonny wrote: When their religion tells them to kill anyone that does not whorship their god.....we better take a hard fast look at them and decide whos going to live and whos going to die. |
| Does there religion tell them all of them that, or is it only the fundamentalists? The Bible says that witches should be put to death, and pretty much anyone who is not a Christian has qualified as a witch at various times ... doesn't mean all Christians are out to kill anyone who does not worship their god, but there are some you need to be wary of. Quote: Just how long do you think you would be alive if you moved over there, Flo?.....How long? |
| Where's over there, oh king of faulty generalizations? The Islamic country with the largest population? I think I would do fine in Indonesia. I have relatives that regularly travel to Islamic countries in North Africa; they've never had a problem, I doubt I would either. Saudi Arabia? I was invited by a prince but haven't gotten around to it (it isn't as exclusive as it sounds, there are thousands and thousands of princes there and this one invites everyone to drop in if they are in the neighborhood). Bahrain? No, its just now safe to go back to Santa Barbara, don't want to risk bumping into Jacko in a Burka in Bahrain. Lebanon, where the civil war is over and people are rebuilding in relative peace and quiet - doubt it would be a problem now, although it would have been foolish to go there 15 years ago. Oh, you mean the country where we invaded, overturned the power relationships and started a civil war? The place where all of the combatants claim God is on their side, though you couldn't tell from their actions?? Where everyone is killing everyone? Yeah, that place is as dangerous as Rwanda was when the Christian Hutus were killing the Christian Tutsis, and vice versa. Not a good place to visit. I don't doubt that there are some whacked murderous Muslims there who do the faulty generalization thing and would assume that because I was American, I must be working for the CIA, and am fair target in the war to liberate Iraq from the foreign occuppiers. Get real? The simple truth is that no religion makes a person a killer, and no religion protects its followers from becoming killers. Fundamentalism is everywhere. Prostitution of religion for nation and race is everywhere. And the average person in all religions gets up in the morning, goes to work to feed his family, and comes home at night to sleep. That's the overwhelming reality in most places.
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Re: Tracking terror
« Reply #17 on: Mar 27th, 2006, 11:44pm » |
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Here's a big surprise....I'm with Flo on this. Fear breeds contempt. If you fear enough to hold all Muslims in contempt...it seems to me that the terrorists have won a battle. There is nothing a jihadist leader loves more than folks (especially Americans) that share those views. It fuels the fire that gets more angry young muslims involved in the jihad. On a very personal note (fortunately I'm a "sharer" )... I was sexually assaulted when I was a young teen. I'm really glad I chose not to hold all Italian men responsible for the actions of one. I would have missed out on a few good friends.
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Re: Tracking terror
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on Mar 27th, 2006, 11:28pm, floridian wrote: Does there religion tell them all of them that, or is it only the fundamentalists? The Bible says that witches should be put to death, and pretty much anyone who is not a Christian has qualified as a witch at various times ... doesn't mean all Christians are out to kill anyone who does not worship their god, but there are some you need to be wary of. |
| The bible says that one should rip out their own eye before even thinking of extramarital sex. (says nothing about clusterheadaches) Even the fundamentalists don't do that. Remember the cold war? We used to teach that the reds were evil monsterous people who had nukes pointed at us. Funny thing is, they were teaching the same thing. "the terrorists" are teaching theirs that the Americans are evil and want to cause destruction, just the same as the Americans are teaching that middle eastern people are evil and want to cause destruction. Maybe we should have implanted one of these in Al Zarqawi before the Iraqi police let him go last year. B$
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And would your view of Christianity change if you had a loved one that died at the Oklahoma City bombing, or had a cross burned in their yard by the Christian Knights of the KK-Klan?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -----------------------------------------------I normally wouldn't comment on these matters----but when I see something like this quote I simply have to....Floridian, the KKK hated Blacks, Jews, Catholics-----to call them Christian Knights is utterly absurd. If you are going to make a comment like this then you have to accept it when people read that in the UK they had meetings in muslim halls ---prior to 09/11/01----stating, no make that yelling---that they won't rest until the world--( THE WHOLE WORLD) is under Islamic principles.NOT WHILE I'M ALIVE !!!
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well after many attempts to post to this thread i find that the beast just will not let me do so intelligently! so in short barb (rock on)... .......nani you are a great and courageous person! flo as far as i know and i will give this a lot more thought when my head allows There is only one religion that promises a non-stop free pass to their version of heaven if they simply take out some infidels on the way and no this does not just apply to the hardcore fundamentalists. And considering the witch comment..................talk about out of context......are you talking about Wicca? some how I missed that in my readings of the bible ! pissed off hitting nines.... and hoping i am not too out of line ......... yours in love ,light and peace..........tim ps; humming yankee doodle dandy as i smack myself in the head!
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Flo, I didn't mean to start a pissing match or "bear false witness" or anything like that. I just thought this article was interesting and posted it. I'm against opening our borders without more security, but apparently our Congress doesn't think so. I've read the Bible from cover to cover and "no" I don't quote chapter and verse -- and I know you can prove anything you want to by doing this and think it's ridiculous. Read the whole thing - I can interrupt it for myself thank you very much! I've studied Christianity and Judiasm and hold my own beliefs. Islam I haven't studied that much - that I'll admit - only what I've read. I've visited almost every country except the Islamic ones, but my husband worked in most of them for about 30+ years so I do have an understanding of the Islam thinking and customs. My son had a Pakistanian roommate in boarding school that visited our home quite often, so I don't think I'm predigice. Zermish was here for education and went back to Pakistan after he graduated. I have several clients who are Muslin. do I think they are terrorist? No. Were they appalled at 9-11? Not really. Do I think they are happy in this country? NO, but they're making money here! We're NOT going to instill OUR values on them. As far as instilling our Christian values on Muslins in the Islamic countries - it ain't gonna happen. These countries have 1000s of years of Islam instilled in them (and its not a bad thing) and we're not going to go in and suddenly tell them how they SHOULD do things. We're appalled by the things they take for granted (the guy in prision they wanted put to death for changing religion for instance). It's THEIR belief - not ours - who are we to change it? Right now the only thing that makes sense to me is to regulate our borders and our immigration a little better than we are doing at this time. In other countries VISAS are WATCHED closely. You stay in a country past your visa's expiration date and you get picked up and deported. Most ex-pats don't take a chance on letting visas run out in another country. Sorry if I upset you, but that's my opinion on things... Hugs BD
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Just maybe from a different perspective... My mother is Irish and when she first came to this country in the late 50's there were signs in windows saying "Staff Wanted" or "Room to Let" for instance.. and then under that there would be a very blunt message saying "No Irish or Blacks need apply". I wasn't there but I've never got over how awful that is, how people can be so blind to other human beings and I despise racism more than anything else. I grew up with it myself, thanks to the IRA the Irish were hated in this country during my teens, I've been in several bomb scares and two bomb blasts. I was actually in Harrods when the bomb went off there and I was in the street but further up when the IRA bombed Chelsea Barracks. My friend's 16 year old brother took two days to die from a nail through his head from that one. I still to this day suffer guilt because I'd walked away and left them, he was pestering me to go out with him and I was pissed off with him. I had all the IRA Scum taunts yelled at me for being 2nd generation Irish. We had "Irish OUT" slogans painted across our house more than once. The day of the Brighton bombings we had someone break nito our house and hold a knife against my neck (an attempted burglary) when the police got there and heard my mum's faint Irish accent (she was very upset) they curled their lips, got back in their car and drove off. They wouldn't help us. Are all Irish people supportive of the IRA? Not bloody likely! Would I put a home made earratic bomb under my baby in their pram as they do? No bloody way. These people are fanatics and they come in all creeds and all colours. Sad but true. I just wanted to let you see the other side of the coin from a personal experience. I was also in London in July as some of you may recall when bombs were going off all over the place and we were right beside Warren Street Tube Station, I've never been more scared in my life, not just for me but for my three kids. I was getting hit and I wouldn't let David stop the car to get my o2 out of the boot until I had directed him down back streets and out of London. Do I hate Moslems? No. But I do despise fanatics wherever they are from.
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The arsehole I'm divorcing needs to get a life and stop stalking mine
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on Mar 28th, 2006, 2:45am, tanner wrote:well after many attempts to post to this thread i find that the beast just will not let me do so intelligently! so in short barb (rock on)... flo you have shit for brains.......nani you are a great and courageous person! flo as far as i know and i will give this a lot more thought when my head allows There is only one religion that promises a non-stop free pass to their version of heaven if they simply take out some infidels on the way and no this does not just apply to the hardcore fundamentalists. And considering the witch comment..................talk about out of context......are you talking about Wicca? some how I missed that in my readings of the bible ! pissed off hitting nines.... and hoping i am not too out of line ......... yours in love ,light and peace..........tim ps; humming yankee doodle dandy as i smack myself in the head! |
| Tanner, how did you miss Exodus 22:18? Most people don't fall asleep until Leviticus! "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" in the King James, "Do not allow a sorceress to live" in the New International. And I guess you fell asleep in history class too, if you imagine that Christians have not routinely used this passage to kill people of other religions through out recorded time. Sure, most modern Americans would be horrified if someone used that as a pretext to kill. But modern is the key word - culture influences the interpretation of scripture, which is what is going on in Islam today. There is no passage in the Quran that states that killing infidels will get a person straight into heaven, but there are passages that prohibit killing the innocent in military conflicts. There are metaphors of heaven involving 72 virgins, which has been blended with a misinterpretation of the idea of working or struggling for the cause of God (jihad) that has been used by Al Qaeda to motivate suicide bombers. And if you think that the Quran says that killing people of another faith is a fast track to heaven, or if you think that all Muslims think that way, then you are quite simply out of touch with reality. I'm glad that person you said was great and courageous agrees with me.
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