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How does this shit happen?
"The fact that Hashemi didn’t do the actual killing does not absolve him; Goebbels didn’t shoot anyone either. Equally, the fact that he is now retired means nothing — he isn’t "redeemed" by his retirement any more than a mafia gangster would be. I do not care to have this fellow in my dining hall, my college, or my country."
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/013420.php
This dude is something like 25 years old.....are we inviting terrorists into our country now?
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If you are talking about the young man who ran the people over at UNC
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Try him in the morning and shoot him in the afternoon.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #2 on: Mar 15th, 2006, 6:27pm » |
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Incase the link didnt work for you, Burt, I copied and pasted here for you.
March 14, 2006
Thank you, Senator Cornyn
NRO's Phi Beta Cons brings us Senator Cornyn's letter to DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff:
Dear Secretary Chertoff:
I write to you regarding Sayed Rahmatullah Hashemi, the former Taliban spokesman currently attending Yale University on a student visa.
In 2005, Congress passed the REAL ID Act and expanded the terror-related grounds of inadmissibility. Under current law, an alien is inadmissible or removable on terror-related grounds if he is a representative of any designated or nondesignated terrorist organization. Further, an alien is inadmissible or removable if the alien endorses or espouses terrorist activity or persuades others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organization. The REAL ID is clear that the grounds of inadmissibility and removal apply regardless of when the conduct in question occurred.
Mr. Hashemi was an official spokesman for the Taliban, which gave safe haven and other material support to Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden, and continued to do so even after the terrorist attacks of September 11th. Yet the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) admitted him into the United States on an F-1 student visa. I would like to know what steps the Department of Homeland Security is taking to determine whether Mr. Hashemi was properly admitted and whether the Department of Homeland Security will seek to deport Mr. Hashemi under one of the terror-related grounds of removal.
I am also concerned about the Department of Homeland Security’s role in reviewing Mr. Hashemi’s student visa application prior to its issuance. The report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States concluded that the key officials responsible for determining alien admissions (consular officers abroad and immigration inspectors in the United States) were not considered full partners in counterterrorism efforts prior to September 11, 2001, and as a result, opportunities to intercept the September 11 terrorists were missed.
Congress subsequently passed the Homeland Security Act, and section 428 allows DHS to assign staff to consular posts abroad to advise consular officers, review visa applications, and conduct investigations. Yet it is not clear that DHS officials were afforded an opportunity to review Mr. Hashemi’s visa application prior to its issuance. Please provide an update on the progress DHS is making in assigning officers to the consulate in Islamabad and whether those officers are fully integrated into the visa screening process.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Sincerely,
JOHN CORNYN
United States Senator
And thank you, Professor Gelernter. Elsewhere at Phi Beta Cons, David Gelernter observes:
The intelligentsia haven’t told Yalies what to think yet because even they haven’t made up their minds. Students aren’t sure how far their liberal open-mindedness is supposed to go.
Hashemi was a member of an evil and macabre terrorist group. Worse yet, he became their official spokesman and apologist to the world for their crimes — the Afghani Goebbels. The Taliban were not, as some suggest, a group of benevolent Afghani governors, but a gang of terrorists. Here’s the first of a series of Taliban-committed outrages listed in a Human Rights Watch report on the group:
Yakaolang and Bamiyan districts, June 2001: After retaking central Yakaolang, Taliban forces under the command of Mullah Dadaullah burned about 4,500 houses, 500 shops, and public buildings. As they retreated east, they continued to burn villages and to detain and kill Shi'a Hazara civilians in villages and side valleys in eastern Yakaolang and the western part of Bamiyan district.
The fact that Hashemi didn’t do the actual killing does not absolve him; Goebbels didn’t shoot anyone either. Equally, the fact that he is now retired means nothing — he isn’t "redeemed" by his retirement any more than a mafia gangster would be. I do not care to have this fellow in my dining hall, my college, or my country.
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Very simple solution.
Try him and inject him. I have no tolerance for this bullshit. Even Though I am a supporter of Bush there some things that I think he has just missed the boat on. Illegal immigration from Mexico and elswhere and these fucking pieces of shit who think they can turn the USA in to another terrorist killing field.
Jonny I am going out on a limb here. The muslims may not like it but this is my take.
I believe most muslims want to kill us. I really believe this. I don't see too many muslims in this country that say they are law abiding speaking out to harshly against this shit. When push comes to shove we are the enemy.
There will be someone that will disagree with me here but that's just the way I feel. There is a double standard hear. I'll tell you this if you or I did what this guy did we would be fucked up so quick our heads would spin. They are probably serving him Filet Mignon right now.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #5 on: Mar 15th, 2006, 8:23pm » |
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on Mar 15th, 2006, 8:15pm, cardogman wrote:
I believe most muslims want to kill us. I really believe this. I don't see too many muslims in this country that say they are law abiding speaking out to harshly against this shit. When push comes to shove we are the enemy.
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Burt I tend to disagree with that statement. I know some Muslims and they hate the way some of there brethren are acting, because of the statement you made. If you look at the fundamentals of Islam you would be surprised to the similarities.
Just like Islam and Christianity there are extremist in all religions. Take a look back at David Koresh, Jim Jones. Just to name two. You cant look at a group and call them all bad just because there are a few bad. In this case all the public hears about is the extremist.
Just my two cents and it ain't worth much.
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Re: Why?
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Thats true, Rodg....but you never hear the leaders of the Muslims crying out that what the extremists are doing is wrong either....at least not on my radio or TV.
Are they blind?...or just stupid?
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Re: Why?
« Reply #7 on: Mar 15th, 2006, 8:37pm » |
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That is true Jonny. The Islamic leaders should stand up and be "leaders" and try to put a stop to allot of this. The Muslims that I spoke of are Doctors that I have met while working as a medic. But it is the "leaders" responsibility to condemn the action of the extremist.
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There may be some as I alluded to. However I have to agree with Jonny on this one.
These people generally hate us and the Doctors would never speak out against us unless they are that fucking right hand man Doctor friend and terrorist of Bin Laden. The Muslim Docs in this country know where their bread is buttered.
But let me ask you this would you let one of them stick their finger up your ass and check your prostate.
I don't think so and I sure as hell wouldn't let them near me. 
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Re: Why?
« Reply #9 on: Mar 16th, 2006, 3:46am » |
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I hate to say it but I lean toward Jonny and Burt on this one.....at least here. It's exactly what Tom Friedman writes about in his columns. He writes that it would be nice if some of the self-proclaimed America-loving Islamic citizens would make a point of their disgust for extremists that do so much to make life miserable, but they don't.
On thing you can bet is that I feel so much better knowing that Homeland Security is on the job....  
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Re: Why?
« Reply #10 on: Mar 16th, 2006, 6:14am » |
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http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060119/NEWS05/60119047 1/1007/NEWS
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With kidnappers in Iraq saying they will kill a journalist raised in Ann Arbor unless their demands are met by a looming deadline, Arab-Americans and Muslim groups from across southeastern Michigan pleaded for her immediate release Wednesday, calling her abduction a violation of Islamic principles.
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Meanwhile in Ann Arbor, where Carroll, 28, grew up, friends maintained a patient vigil, asked by Carroll's mother, now living in Illinois, to remain silent for fear of angering her captors.
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On Wednesday, several Arab-American and Islamic groups -- not to mention individual Muslims -- in southeastern Michigan condemned the kidnapping.
"It's just unbelievable that any cause could be advanced by holding someone hostage, especially someone who's demonstrated an affinity for Islam and Arab culture," said Dawud Walid, head of the Michigan branch of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.
In Dearborn, the Michigan branch of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, the nation's largest Arab-American group, demanded Carroll's safe release. Imad Hamad, head of the Michigan branch of the committee, said her death would be "against all humanitarian standards and is indeed against the values and principles of the Islamic faith."
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Condemning is " talking the talk. " But these people need to" walk the walk " and they are not going to do it.
The reason they are not going to do it is because they are cowards.
Remember Salmon Rushdie the author. A number of years ago the guy wrote a book describing some of the double standards of the islamic faith.
How long after that did he have to be in hiding in fear that these lunatics would off him. I think about 10 years. The whole islamic world had a contract out on him
Now what happens if Jonny or me or Kevin or any of us spoke out against our religion would the Catholic world, Protestant world, Jewish world or any of the other Judeo/ Christian religions put a contract out on ius.
These people are fanatics, murderers and low lives. They can't be trusted, they are jealous of our way of life, they want to rule the world and they think there should be only one religion in the world.
The guy in Iran for example is campaigning to get his people to believe there was no Holocaust. This is the next guy that must go. We need to blow off his fucking head to kingdom come ASAP.
This is the reason why I feel that we need to be in the Mid East right now.
You can't trust these bastards and we need to send them back in to their holes before they cause any more damage.
Bunch of scumbags all of them.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #12 on: Mar 16th, 2006, 7:31am » |
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on Mar 16th, 2006, 7:14am, cardogman wrote:| These people are fanatics, murderers and low lives. They can't be trusted, they are jealous of our way of life, they want to rule the world and they think there should be only one religion in the world. |
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With a community of about 350,000 Arab Americans in this city, just under half Muslim living peacefully with Arab Christians in the same neighborhood, it's not newsmaking.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #13 on: Mar 16th, 2006, 7:51am » |
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on Mar 16th, 2006, 7:14am, cardogman wrote:
Now what happens if Jonny or me or Kevin or any of us spoke out against our religion would the Catholic world, Protestant world, Jewish world or any of the other Judeo/ Christian religions put a contract out on ius.
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Spanish Inquisition...The Crusades...The Holocaust....The Salem Witch trials....were these not examples of the "Christian Faith" condemning those who did not believe as they did?
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on Mar 16th, 2006, 7:51am, medic1852 wrote:
Spanish Inquisition...The Crusades...The Holocaust....The Salem Witch trials....were these not examples of the "Christian Faith" condemning those who did not believe as they did?
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that was a long time ago, the reality is that many fundamentalist muslims want us, as incorrigible infidels -dead- now.
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Re: Why?
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The truth be known I see both sides and in fact have been just trying not to argue but to throw a different perspective in the ring. Just playing the "Devils Advocate".
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We dont need to be in the Middle East. Jihads and tribal wars and civil wars have continued for centuries and our military might is not going to stop it.
We got rid of Khomneini (sp?), Khaddafi stepped up, we squashed him, Hussien stepped up, we ousted him, the guy in Iran stepped up.
We need our military right here at home at the borders. The terrorist that threaten our society and way of life comes from within.
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Re: Why?
« Reply #17 on: Mar 16th, 2006, 8:12am » |
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Found this with a quick search just some food for thought.
In the United States, Islam is the fastest growing religion, a trend fueled mostly by immigration. There are 5 million to 7 million Muslims in the United States. They make up between 10,000 and 20,000 members of the American military.
The actual site link if you want....
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Oct2001/n10042001_200110043.html
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Re: Why?
« Reply #18 on: Mar 16th, 2006, 8:15am » |
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on Mar 16th, 2006, 8:11am, chewy wrote:
We need our military right here at home at the borders. The terrorist that threaten our society and way of life comes from within.
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I kinda support isolationism..
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Re: Why?
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on Mar 16th, 2006, 7:14am, cardogman wrote:Condemning is " talking the talk. " But these people need to" walk the walk " and they are not going to do it.
The reason they are not going to do it is because they are cowards.
Remember Salmon Rushdie the author. A number of years ago the guy wrote a book describing some of the double standards of the islamic faith.
How long after that did he have to be in hiding in fear that these lunatics would off him. I think about 10 years. The whole islamic world had a contract out on him
Now what happens if Jonny or me or Kevin or any of us spoke out against our religion would the Catholic world, Protestant world, Jewish world or any of the other Judeo/ Christian religions put a contract out on ius.
These people are fanatics, murderers and low lives. They can't be trusted, they are jealous of our way of life, they want to rule the world and they think there should be only one religion in the world.
The guy in Iran for example is campaigning to get his people to believe there was no Holocaust. This is the next guy that must go. We need to blow off his fucking head to kingdom come ASAP.
This is the reason why I feel that we need to be in the Mid East right now.
You can't trust these bastards and we need to send them back in to their holes before they cause any more damage.
Bunch of scumbags all of them.
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Gee Burt-sorry, I mean cardogman-not so long ago similar sentifments were expressed about the Jews. Following your line of reasoning, I guess Hitler and the Nazis really weren't war criminals after all since you appear to want to get rid of the Muslims-anywhere in the world-just because they are Muslims and the Nazis wanted to get rid of the Jews because they were Jews-different from us non Jews-non Muslims. You sound like one tough guy, yes indeed! Sieg Heil! (and once we get rid of the Muslims, we can always go after you Jews again since there aren't so many).
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on Mar 16th, 2006, 7:14am, cardogman wrote:Condemning is " talking the talk. " But these people need to" walk the walk " and they are not going to do it.
The reason they are not going to do it is because they are cowards.
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Maybe your radio and TV are not doing a good job of informing you. The tuning dial lets you monitor other stations - I heard about this on NPR, but bet it wasn't on FOX:
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Authorities said they uncovered the plot with the help of a man who came to them 18 months ago. Code-named “the Trainer” in the indictment, he had been approached by Mr. El-Hindi to provide security and bodyguard training to the group.
Other members of the Muslim community had already gone to federal authorities with information regarding “violent and radical” statements made by the men. After the Trainer contacted them, law enforcement began actively pursuing him, officials said yesterday.
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060222/NEWS03/602220 05
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Faulty generalizations about Muslims are no different than faulty generalizations about Jews, Christians, Asians, or other groups - they are faulty.
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Re: Why?
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Maybe your radio and TV are not doing a good job of informing you. The tuning dial lets you monitor other stations - I heard about this on NPR, but bet it wasn't on FOX:
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Whats wrong with Fox it is FAIR AND BALLANCED Bill O`Riley said so.  I prefer coast to coast am, late night radio. 
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on Mar 16th, 2006, 8:53am, medic1852 wrote:
Whats wrong with Fox it is FAIR AND BALLANCED Bill O`Riley said so.
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I put Billy O in the same category as our president, who said:
"See, in my line of work, you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in...to kind of catapult the propaganda."
Catapulting the propaganda. But in a 'fair and balanced' way. Just like the law that ignores mercury emissions by power plants is the 'clear skies act' and the program to monitor what you type on the internet is the total information awareness 'catch terrorists and evildoers before they can kill us all' program.
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Whats wrong with Fox it is FAIR AND BALLANCED Bill O`Riley said so. I prefer coast to coast am, late night radio.
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Re: Why?
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All eyes on the homeland in Detroit's Iraqi community
Hope and anxiety as exiles imagine post-Hussein era
By Elizabeth A. Neuffer and Bryan Bender, Globe Staff and Globe Correspondent, 4/28/03
As President Bush arrives in Dearborn today to talk about postwar Iraq, the possibilities offered by the regime change in Baghdad are resounding throughout the Detroit area, where a cross section of Iraqis -- Chaldean Christians, Muslim Arabs, and Kurds -- coexist in a way that many hope will be the norm in their homeland.
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Ms. Liberty's inscription welcomed these here from certain death. We have more in common than might be apparent.
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