Author |
Topic: Is This a Little Overboard? (Read 752 times) |
|
medic1852
CH.com Alumnus
New Board Hall of Famer
This will only hurt for a little while!
 
Gender: 
Posts: 923
|
 |
Is This a Little Overboard?
« on: Feb 8th, 2006, 7:13pm » |
 Quote  Modify
|
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184261,00.html
Next is part of the story.
BROCKTON, Mass. — A first grader was suspended for three days after school officials said he sexually harassed a girl in his class by allegedly putting two fingers inside the girl's waistband while she sat on the floor in front of him.
In my opinion I think the school went a little overboard. I might feel different if it were my little girl. I dont know, what are some of your thoughts?
|
|
 IP Logged |
Shoot Low Sherrif He's Riding a Sheltland Pony!
|
|
|
E-Double
CH.com Alumnus
New Board Hall of Famer
Are we ourselves?
 
Gender:
Posts: 6458
|
 |
Re: Is This a Little Overboard?
« Reply #1 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 7:21pm » |
Quote Modify
|
Oh boy!
I work with developmentally disabled children.
I have a few kids that I transition into typical preschools and are near indiscriminable from the others.
I see little boys and girls showing eachother their privates all the time.
They are little kids!!!!!!!!
It is innocent.
They show, stare, touch....of course they are redirected yet it is not harrassment and it is not sexual.
It would be different if a child did something g-d forbid, however that may be a sign that they are being abused and there is a need to investigate.
I wasn't able to open the link so I do not know if there was in fact more to it.
E
|
|
IP Logged |
I can't believe that I have to bang my
Head against this wall again
But the blows they have just a little more
Space in-between them
Gonna take a breath and try again.
|
|
|
nani
CH.com Alumnus
New Board Hall of Famer
Got kudzu?
Gender: 
Posts: 7953
|
|
Re: Is This a Little Overboard?
« Reply #2 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 7:24pm » |
Quote Modify
|
OK...I'll bite. 
The general rule when discussing "private-no touch" space with children is anywhere on the body that is covered by undies. While a suspension may have been extreme, I would have called the boy on that behavior. Anywhere inside pants is off limits. What I find most troubling is the girl feeling threatened enough she needed to report it. Was the boy not acting in an innocent way, or did the girl have reason to be over-sensitive? 
|
|
IP Logged |
Others may come and go, but MY power is MINE.
|
|
|
Jonny
CH.com Alumnus
New Board Hall of Famer
Give me a shovel Ill dig my own grave!
Gender:
Posts: 26213
|
|
Re: Is This a Little Overboard?
« Reply #3 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 7:28pm » |
Quote Modify
|
" According to the Brockton school’s Web site, sexual harassment is defined as “repeated, unwanted, or unwelcomed verbalisms or behaviors of a sexist nature related to a person’s sex or sexual orientation. In addition sexual harassment includes unwelcomed sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature.”
PC idiots run amock!!!....Along with major CYA!
Edit to add:....OMFG!!
"The principal told Dorinvil the girl complained to the teacher after her son touched the girl's waistband, hitting her skin, in a room full of children."
What next, one kid per class room? 
|
| « Last Edit: Feb 8th, 2006, 7:33pm by Jonny » |
IP Logged |
It is up to YOU to educate yourself and then help your doctor plan your treatment. If you just sit down in front of your doctor and say "make me better" you are setting yourself up for a great deal of pain.
- Guiseppi
|
|
|
medic1852
CH.com Alumnus
New Board Hall of Famer
This will only hurt for a little while!
Gender:
Posts: 923
|
|
Re: Is This a Little Overboard?
« Reply #4 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 7:29pm » |
Quote Modify
|
For those of you that cant open the link...here is the rest of the story, it is all the information I have.
BROCKTON, Mass. — A first grader was suspended for three days after school officials said he sexually harassed a girl in his class by allegedly putting two fingers inside the girl's waistband while she sat on the floor in front of him.
The boy's mother, Berthena Dorinvil, said she "screamed" about last week's suspension from Downey Elementary School, and added her son doesn't know what sexual harassment is.
"He doesn't know those things," she told The Enterprise of Brockton. "He's only 6 years old."
School officials declined comment to The Enterprise, citing the child's age.
"They would have not suspended the child without doing an investigation," said spokeswoman Cynthia McNally.
Dorinvil said the school principal, Diane Gosselin, called her to pick up her son Jan. 30. She said her son asked the principal if the police were going to come get him.
The principal told Dorinvil the girl complained to the teacher after her son touched the girl's waistband, hitting her skin, in a room full of children.
Dorinvil said her son told her he touched the girl's shirt, not her skin, after the girl touched him.
"He was playing with her," Dorinvil said.
|
|
IP Logged |
Shoot Low Sherrif He's Riding a Sheltland Pony!
|
|
|
chewy
Guest
|
|
Re: Is This a Little Overboard?
« Reply #5 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 8:20pm » |
Quote Modify
 Remove
|
I think an explanation as to why that type of touching is innapropriate would have sufficed.
Another case of over board political correctness. Now instead of a kid who understands after an explanation you have a paranoid and confused kid.
Which is probably the hisory of the school principal.
|
|
IP Logged |
|
|
|
E-Double
CH.com Alumnus
New Board Hall of Famer
Are we ourselves?
Gender:
Posts: 6458
|
|
Re: Is This a Little Overboard?
« Reply #6 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 8:31pm » |
Quote Modify
|
on Feb 8th, 2006, 8:20pm, chewy wrote:I think an explanation as to why that type of touching is innapropriate would have sufficed. Yup! It's called teaching
Now instead of a kid who understands after an explanation you have a paranoid and confused kid.Unfortunately this will most likely occur
|
|
The problem is this.
Here is a basic principle of learning theory.
The effects of punishment are short lived!
Period.
You can not punish a behavior without teaching what the appropriate behavior is.
Morons just placed a stigma upon another child.
|
|
IP Logged |
I can't believe that I have to bang my
Head against this wall again
But the blows they have just a little more
Space in-between them
Gonna take a breath and try again.
|
|
|
thebbz
CH.com Alumnus
New Board Hall of Famer
Ow,Ow,Ow
Gender:
Posts: 2181
|
|
Re: Is This a Little Overboard?
« Reply #7 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 8:33pm » |
Quote Modify
|
"He was playing with her," Dorinvil said.
You all remember dirty doctor? LOL
Common sense ain't so common.
jb
|
|
IP Logged |
It wasn't me I didn't do it
|
|
|
Sean_C
Guest
|
|
Re: Is This a Little Overboard?
« Reply #8 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 8:38pm » |
Quote Modify
Remove
|
We are assuming we know all the facts but we really don't know jack to be honest.
If we're guessing here and you were the principal lets throw this into the equation.
What "if"
that same child was warned on many occasions to "NOT" do this type of behaviour and he continued to do it anyway. On top of that what if his parents refused to discipline him on this type of behavior. Would the principle have been wrong then?
What if it was your daughter and she kept coming home crying saying he won't stop doing this to her and she was scared and didn't want to go to school anymore. Would you still think they made the wrong descision?
I don't know the facts but I'm sure the school knew the reprocussions of the suspention. I'm sure it wasn't an impulse thing on the principals part.
JMHO
Sean............................................
(sp)
|
| « Last Edit: Feb 8th, 2006, 8:39pm by Sean_C » |
IP Logged |
|
|
|
Charlie
CH.com Alumnus
New Board Hall of Famer
Happy to be here
  
Gender:
Posts: 14968
|
|
Re: Is This a Little Overboard?
« Reply #9 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 8:40pm » |
Quote Modify
|
Ya gotta wonder....
These are the same idiots that won't leave their kids alone. Too damn much supervising. Let them have time to do stuff like this. They are little kids doing what little kids have done since the beginning of time.
Morons. It's the adults that need a good hiding here. 
Charlie
|
|
IP Logged |
There is nothing more satisfying than being shot at without result---Winston Churchill
|
|
|
chewy
Guest
|
|
Re: Is This a Little Overboard?
« Reply #10 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 8:46pm » |
Quote Modify
Remove
|
Seeing how the school admin. is taking the moral high road shouldn't they make the kid register as a sex offender?
Seans right though. We dont know all the facts. I would like to hear the girl's parents position on all of this.
|
|
IP Logged |
|
|
|
Sean_C
Guest
|
|
Re: Is This a Little Overboard?
« Reply #11 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 8:56pm » |
Quote Modify
Remove
|
I'm gonna be honest here, my daughters 7. If she was having this happen in school and she thought it was funny she probably wouldn't be upset and she more than likely wouldn't tell me either.
However if she was upset or annoyed by it I know she would. Kids have that breaking point where somethings wrong here and this isn't fun anymore. If this kid was seriously trying to cuff a feel all the time (regardless of what the press leads us to believe) then something should be done. I could care less if he's 7 too. If your kid touches my kid inappropriately and I tell you to tell your kid to stop and he continues, then I look at it as you've been officially warned and anything goes after that.
I can reverse that also. If my son was doing that to that little girl and he knew it was bothering her and continued to do it anyway, his asss would be candy apple red for a month. There's certain things that just can't happen regardless of a girls age. I'm sure the little girl felt violated even at 6. I feel sorry for her and her family.
Sorry
Sean...........................................
|
|
IP Logged |
|
|
|
Richr8
New Board Hall of Famer
It's all about today...
Gender:
Posts: 1396
|
|
Sounds ridiculous.
« Reply #12 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 8:57pm » |
Quote Modify
|
But, with the media spin, who knows.
|
|
IP Logged |
pf wishes,
Rich
...because yesterday is history and you never know what tomorrow will bring.
"Med free"- A few seeds and lots of O2-LG but not great.
|
|
|
BarbaraD
CH.com Alumnus
New Board Hall of Famer
Hugs to ya
Gender:
Posts: 5164
|
|
Re: Is This a Little Overboard?
« Reply #13 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 9:00pm » |
Quote Modify
|
I still say they should take sex ed out of the classrooms and put it back behind the bleachers where it belongs... worked good enough for us back in the old days -- we didn't even know about "sexual harrasment" or political correctness and there wasn't near as many little girls getting pregnant.
course we didn't have 24 hours of TV news back then either - telling us all the bad things everyone in the world was doing. We had to wait for the paper to come out and then maybe read about "some" of the things that were happening in the world.
Schools, in my opinon, are getting so politically correct these days, they're forgetting they're there to TEACH kids about reading, writing and 'rithmatic.
Hugs BD
|
|
IP Logged |
What don't kill ya, Makes ya stonger!
|
|
|
blood_Redd_son
New Board Veteran
ph33r w17h gr347 ph34r!
Gender:
Posts: 218
|
|
Re: Is This a Little Overboard?
« Reply #14 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 9:02pm » |
Quote Modify
|
this is just me, but that is yiffin wrong in my opinion
|
|
IP Logged |
Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go.
~~T.S. Elliot
|
|
|
broomhilda
CH.com Alumnus
New Board Hall of Famer
Ride it!
Gender:
Posts: 2533
|
|
Re: Is This a Little Overboard?
« Reply #15 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 9:10pm » |
Quote Modify
|
Sean, don't be sorry I totally agree with you. We do not know all the facts or information leading up to the event, he could have done this before or had been intrusive in other ways. Lets also bear in mind we do not know either family history I don't know if its "like "it is told in the story then yes too extreme however media is media, plain and simple...
ps- reverse genders a bit, my friends daughter age 6 had another child age 6 put her fingers in this girls pants, now should that warrant suspension?
I don't know, back to my corner
|
| « Last Edit: Feb 8th, 2006, 9:11pm by broomhilda » |
IP Logged |
Suck it up Princess...
|
|
|
Jonny
CH.com Alumnus
New Board Hall of Famer
Give me a shovel Ill dig my own grave!
Gender:
Posts: 26213
|
|
Re: Is This a Little Overboard?
« Reply #16 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 9:12pm » |
Quote Modify
|
on Feb 8th, 2006, 8:56pm, Sean_C wrote:| I'm sure the little girl felt violated even at 6. I feel sorry for her and her family. |
|
Yeah, and in ten years it will be a three year old that fucking feels PC violated!
Did you ever hear of this 25/30 years ago.....40 years ago?
Its all PC bullshit!!.....COVER YOUR ASS!!!!
Im not saying it dosent happen, but WTF?......A six year old?....who cant even probably get a hardon?
I wish someone in the media today would ask Ted Kennedy why he left that woman to drown!
|
|
IP Logged |
It is up to YOU to educate yourself and then help your doctor plan your treatment. If you just sit down in front of your doctor and say "make me better" you are setting yourself up for a great deal of pain.
- Guiseppi
|
|
|
Jonny
CH.com Alumnus
New Board Hall of Famer
Give me a shovel Ill dig my own grave!
Gender:
Posts: 26213
|
|
Re: Is This a Little Overboard?
« Reply #17 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 9:17pm » |
Quote Modify
|
on Feb 8th, 2006, 9:10pm, broomhilda wrote:| Sean, don't be sorry I totally agree with you. We do not know all the facts or information leading up to the event, he could have done this before or had been intrusive in other ways. |
|
Or she could have been a six year old ho, right?
Thats going on your post
|
|
IP Logged |
It is up to YOU to educate yourself and then help your doctor plan your treatment. If you just sit down in front of your doctor and say "make me better" you are setting yourself up for a great deal of pain.
- Guiseppi
|
|
|
chewy
Guest
|
|
Re: Is This a Little Overboard?
« Reply #18 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 9:20pm » |
Quote Modify
Remove
|
Quote:Did you ever hear of this 25/30 years ago.....40 years ago?
|
|
No but that doesn't mean it wasn't happening.
40 years ago if a young male displayed patterns innaproprite sexual behavior he was sent off to the seminary.
Could explain a lot of recent events in the Archdioces of Boston.
|
|
IP Logged |
|
|
|
broomhilda
CH.com Alumnus
New Board Hall of Famer
Ride it!
Gender:
Posts: 2533
|
|
Re: Is This a Little Overboard?
« Reply #19 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 9:20pm » |
Quote Modify
|
Hummm nope She was being sexually abused at home and had no idea what was appropriate or not...just adding to the idea that we may not know the whole story!
|
| « Last Edit: Feb 8th, 2006, 9:20pm by broomhilda » |
IP Logged |
Suck it up Princess...
|
|
|
Richr8
New Board Hall of Famer
It's all about today...
Gender:
Posts: 1396
|
|
Unbelievable!
« Reply #20 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 9:20pm » |
Quote Modify
|
They are six years old! What is wrong with us? It isn't possible that anywhere near the facts are printed if this really happened.
If this could possibly been construed as a problem, than discipline may have been in order.
Discipline=To teach
|
|
IP Logged |
pf wishes,
Rich
...because yesterday is history and you never know what tomorrow will bring.
"Med free"- A few seeds and lots of O2-LG but not great.
|
|
|
Sean_C
Guest
|
|
Re: Is This a Little Overboard?
« Reply #21 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 9:34pm » |
Quote Modify
Remove
|
on Feb 8th, 2006, 9:12pm, Jonny wrote:
Yeah, and in ten years it will be a three year old that fucking feels PC violated! |
|
What are you sayin? If your daughter tells you that some kid at school keeps grabbin her snatch and he won't stop that your gonna tell her "don't worry sweety he probably can't get a hard-on anyway so its ok?
You'd be kickin that kids fathers ass up and down that school hallway and you know it. I know you better than that dude, you'd be a freakin mental case just like me Now that would make good press
I ain't opening this thread anymore, its all yours
Sean............................
|
|
IP Logged |
|
|
|
Cerberus
New Board Hall of Famer
Whomever said that two heads are better than one?
Gender:
Posts: 2117
|
|
Re: Is This a Little Overboard?
« Reply #22 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 9:36pm » |
Quote Modify
|
I don't care much for Fox News,
My Girls are 15 and 11 The eldest, I know is sexually active, or at least sexually experimenting I take that for a given, I have expressed my feelings on it, I believe Woobs has and its now her on her to make the ultimate decisions.
The youngest is just now starting to get into boys but she is still too immature yet to be of much concern.
That said, the story basically gives NO account of the girls perspective and nor parental perspective, so we really don't know what happened or if anything did or didnt happen between these two previous to this.
If Sean C is correct in his theory then I agree with the suspension.
If this is merely an attempt to force school policy with no withstanding background or incident then no, I completely disagree with the suspension.
the kids are the ones losing learning time on this, a shame really.
'Bus
|
|
IP Logged |
I would rather face the end with terror than terror without end. - (Deitrich Sawatsky 194?)
|
|
|
Jonny
CH.com Alumnus
New Board Hall of Famer
Give me a shovel Ill dig my own grave!
Gender:
Posts: 26213
|
|
Re: Is This a Little Overboard?
« Reply #23 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 10:01pm » |
Quote Modify
|
on Feb 8th, 2006, 9:34pm, Sean_C wrote:What are you sayin? If your daughter tells you that some kid at school keeps grabbin her snatch and he won't stop that your gonna tell her "don't worry sweety he probably can't get a hard-on anyway so its ok?
|
|
My daughter is 24 years old Sean......no one ever said this kid even grabbed any crotch. more like touched her waist with his finger.
With his finger!.....are you going nuts on this as a parent?
|
| « Last Edit: Feb 8th, 2006, 10:02pm by Jonny » |
IP Logged |
It is up to YOU to educate yourself and then help your doctor plan your treatment. If you just sit down in front of your doctor and say "make me better" you are setting yourself up for a great deal of pain.
- Guiseppi
|
|
|
Sean_C
Guest
|
|
Re: Is This a Little Overboard?
« Reply #24 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 10:25pm » |
Quote Modify
Remove
|
on Feb 8th, 2006, 10:01pm, Jonny wrote:
My daughter is 24 years old Sean......no one ever said this kid even grabbed any crotch. more like touched her waist with his finger.
With his finger!.....are you going nuts on this as a parent? |
|
I think I did, don't be pissed, I get stupid and I ain't afraid to admit it. I went way off base dude, sorry. 
I think I need sleep
Nite folks,
Sean...............................
|
|
IP Logged |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Home
Help
Search
Members
Member Map
Login
Register
Reply
Notify of replies
Send Topic
Print
test rss