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Iran's leading Newspaper is holding a contest for people to submit cartoons about the holocaust...Need I say more about these creeps ? Freedom of the press my as*
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Re: Iran/ Press
« Reply #1 on: Feb 7th, 2006, 4:28pm » |
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being of DANISH ancestory, i know we are peaceful people, and we love our freedom...people are allowed to express their opinions!!!
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Re: Iran/ Press
« Reply #2 on: Feb 7th, 2006, 4:43pm » |
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on Feb 7th, 2006, 4:28pm, carriefu wrote:| people are allowed to express their opinions!!! |
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Muslims are killed when they do....thats why they dont know what free speech is like we do.
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Quote:| people are allowed to express their opinions!!! |
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Really?
Care to pass along any cute little Danish cartoons on lets say, child porn or domestic abuse ?
Whats a few chuckles over mass murder compared to the freedom to express your opinion.
Gimme a fuckin break!
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Re: Iran/ Press
« Reply #4 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 12:48am » |
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Re: Iran/ Press
« Reply #5 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 6:56am » |
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Quote:| Whats a few chuckles over mass murder compared to the freedom to express your opinion. |
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Freedom to express does not mean that whats published has to be tasteful.
Let the Iranians parody the Holocaust its there right!
If you don't like it go burn down their embassy. Its the right thing to do. 
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LONDON - As Islamic protests grew against the publication of cartoons lampooning Muhammad, a small but vocal Muslim immigrant organization responded with a drawing on its Web site of Hitler in bed with Anne Frank. "Write this one in your diary, Anne," Hitler was shown as saying.
The intent, said the group, the Arab European League, was "to use our right to artistic expression," just as the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten did last September when it published 12 cartoons showing Muhammad, several of them satiric.
"Europe has its sacred cows, even if they're not religious sacred cows," said Dyab Abou Jahjah, the founder of the organization, which advocates for immigrants' rights in Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark.
http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_3485740
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And the Iranians take the lead in the race to the bottom ... publishing cartoons about the Holocaust that would land a publisher in Germany or France in jail.
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Quote:| And the Iranians take the lead in the race to the bottom |
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Freedom of expression is a close second.
Quote:| Let the Iranians parody the Holocaust its there right! |
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Did you support Hitler's right to express himself through the attempted elimination of the Jews by mass mudrer.
Let me guess "it was his right".
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Re: Iran/ Press
« Reply #9 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 10:38am » |
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on Feb 8th, 2006, 9:07am, chewy wrote:
Did you support Hitler's right to express himself through the attempted elimination of the Jews by mass mudrer.
Let me guess "it was his right".
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If he only did it on paper - then yes it would have been his right. (not that I approve or would like it)
Mudrer is not a right - that I can remember?
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Re: Iran/ Press
« Reply #10 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 10:51am » |
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Quote:| Did you support Hitler's right to express himself through the attempted elimination of the Jews by mass mudrer. |
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Lets see.
Hitler is responsible for the murder of millions of Jews and others.
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some of the European press is responsible for pulishing caricatures of a religiuos figure.
Sorry I don't see the connection.
BTW The Danish Govt. has stated they would have no problem if holocaust caricatures from Iran were published in Denmark.
Hey Floridian, Keep the French out of it. They surrendered on the second day when a publisher was fired.
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Re: Iran/ Press
« Reply #11 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 11:02am » |
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Pardon me...
...isn't free speech part of the democratic principles we're trying to, um, "encourage" in the Middle East?
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From the HREA:
Quote:(a) The right to freedom of expression and opinions
The right to freedom of expression upholds the rights of all to express their views and opinions freely. It is essentially a right which should be promoted to the maximum extent possible given its critical role in democracy and public participation in political life. There may be certain extreme forms of expression which need to be curtailed for the protection of other human rights. Limiting freedom of expression in such situations is always a fine balancing act. One particular form of expression which is banned in some countries is “hate speech |
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Re: Iran/ Press
« Reply #13 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 12:18pm » |
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Promoting tolerance
Still another explanation is that freedom of speech is integral to tolerance, which some people feel should be a basic value in society. Professor Lee Bollinger is an advocate of this view and argues that "the free speech principle involves a special act of carving out one area of social interaction for extraordinary self-restraint, the purpose of which is to develop and demonstrate a social capacity to control feelings evoked by a host of social encounters." The free speech principle is left with the concern of nothing less than helping to shape "the intellectual character of the society".
This claim is to say that tolerance is a desirable, if not essential, value, and that protecting unpopular speech is itself an act of tolerance. Such tolerance serves as a model that encourages more tolerance throughout society. Critics argue that society need not be tolerant of the intolerance of others, such as those who advocate great harm, even genocide. Preventing such harms is claimed to be much more important than being tolerant of those who argue for them.
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Re: Iran/ Press
« Reply #14 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 1:17pm » |
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Here's one of the best things I've read and captures my feelings on the subject to date.
http://www.signandsight.com/features/597.html
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Re: Iran/ Press
« Reply #15 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 1:36pm » |
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From Scott posted artical -
"I hereby refuse to feel badly for the chronically insulted. I refuse to argue politely why freedom of expression, reason and humour should be respected. I do not want to continue to have to provide creationists scientific proof that the earth has been around for more than 10 000 years. And I am going to stop waiting for them to say on Al Jazeera, "Did you ever hear the one about the Prophet's beard?"
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Re: Iran/ Press
« Reply #16 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 2:08pm » |
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Freedom in not license and often the lines are blurred. With freedom comes responsibility. I don't agree with attacking religion even if I find it extreme but extremists do not have the right to push the way on me. If we do not stand up for our values or freedoms, watch how fast they will disappear. Being politically correct is suicide. Shit can anyone say something is wrong anymore? I agree with Johnny on this one.
Look at the beating Bush and others in power took on Katrina. Kanye WEst publically accused Bush of racism and mishandling of the event (I agree) but that is not the issue or argument here. The point is Kanye is still making records and is not a political prisoner and being beheaded or tortured somewhere. And if y'all can't see the big difference in the average Muslim society and ours, we are in bigger trouble than I thought. I am sorry no one is running there for education or immigration. They are coming here in droves. I wonder why. If I immigrate to another country I am expected to do as THEIR laws dictate. Why the hell do some of the latest immigrants insist on changing our laws to bring their fucked up way of life here on our shores under the disguise of religious freedom. Sorry to sound like this cause I am generally pro immigration (most of us came from immigrants in this country) but North America really needs to examine who they are letting in here. Most of the past immigrants who faced bitter predujices and hardships once landing into these shores obeyed laws and fit in to the best of their ability still while preserving their culture. Why the Hell can't the Muslims do that. Don't like our way of life, think we are Satan, then stay the hell in y'all wonderful countries. And believe me I know America is far from perfect but at least we have the right to change moral wrongs and is the best this ol world has to offer. you simply can't compare the two.
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Re: Iran/ Press
« Reply #17 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 2:46pm » |
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I have listened to this crap on the news and I have read it here. I am fed up with it.
Everyone here pisses and moans about freedom of speech. But you all get bent out of shape when someone uses it. The Danish paper ran some distasteful cartoons about Mohammad. Now there is talk of Iran making cartoons of the Holocaust. Neither is right or nice. But it is their right to free speech. I am not saying Hitler was a nice fellow for murdering Jews. Nor am I saying that the Prophet Mohamed is absolutely correct in his teachings. But then again I am not saying the Holy Bible is either. We all laugh at the cartoons of Mohamed, but get bent and twisted over a threat to make fun of the Holocaust.
All that I am saying is that We All need to be tolerant of the others point of view and sensitive as well.
Just my thoughts and rambleings.
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Re: Iran/ Press
« Reply #18 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 2:56pm » |
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Exactly Roger. As a Jew I am offended but not surprised at Iran's response. At least I know where they stand who the enemy is so to speak. There is nothing wrong with a backlash to unpopular opinions, cartoons, etc but I draw the line at murder, torture etc to those who you feel threatened by. I don 't agree with the Danish cartoon and feel that Muslims should vehemently oppose them vocally and how about a peaceful demonstration God forbid? But this shit going on is something else and I stand by my original comments.
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Quote:| We all laugh at the cartoons of Mohamed |
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I didn't laugh at all.
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Exactly. Neither side had liscense under freedom of expression or anything else. Saying they were is bastardizing the concept of Freedom of Expression.
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Re: Iran/ Press
« Reply #20 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 3:33pm » |
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on Feb 7th, 2006, 4:23pm, zwibbs/Scott wrote:
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Re: Iran/ Press
« Reply #21 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 3:35pm » |
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Quote:| Neither side had liscense under freedom of expression or anything else. Saying they were is bastardizing the concept of Freedom of Expression. |
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Don thats B.S. The caricatures may have been in bad taste but thats all. The Iranains have just as much right to show equeally bad taste.
Please don't tell me that you are trying to say that the Danes are responsible for shitstorm thats happening now? These things were first published in Sept/Oct last year its now February. Don't you find that a little strange?
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Re: Iran/ Press
« Reply #22 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 3:37pm » |
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on Feb 8th, 2006, 3:21pm, chewy wrote:
I didn't laugh at all.
Exactly. Neither side had liscense under freedom of expression or anything else. Saying they were is bastardizing the concept of Freedom of Expression. |
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I didn't laugh either, frankly, I find none of it funny. I find a lot of stuff on this board offensive and not at all funny. Doesn't mean I won't defend your right to say it.
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Re: Iran/ Press
« Reply #23 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 3:41pm » |
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on Feb 8th, 2006, 3:37pm, nani wrote:| I find a lot of stuff on this board offensive and not at all funny. Doesn't mean I won't defend your right to say it. |
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Re: Iran/ Press
« Reply #24 on: Feb 8th, 2006, 3:45pm » |
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