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Time Travel
« on: Dec 31st, 2005, 1:32am » |
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It always amazes me that we are actually doing time travelling already.
Rori is having a baby... Friday in the US but Saturday on this side of the time line.
We travel by planes into the past, the present or the future. If I go East I'll step into a new morning of the next day in someone else's time, the future.
If I travel local, I'll stay in the present.
When I travel West, I land into my own past, the previous day but someone else's present.
Now, I just wonder, if you were born on Friday the 30th Dec in the US and you move to Australia, do you celebrate your birthday every year on the 30th or do you remember that you were actually born on the 31st on that day if you were in that time line?
And where the hell does time go between the continents of the Pacific Ocean? 
I'm a bit time warped at this stage. 
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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #1 on: Dec 31st, 2005, 2:10am » |
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There is no such thing as time. Everything happened in a singularity, and time is our pathetic way of dealing with the amount of information that we consumed in that instant. We are living in Tivo-land. Only a few of us have access to the controls.
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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #2 on: Dec 31st, 2005, 2:30am » |
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on Dec 31st, 2005, 2:10am, fubar wrote:| There is no such thing as time. Everything happened in a singularity, and time is our pathetic way of dealing with the amount of information that we consumed in that instant. We are living in Tivo-land. Only a few of us have access to the controls. |
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Then why is it night where you are and day where I am?
Who controls that? You are actually still in my last night.
Time flies when you're having no sleep 
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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #3 on: Dec 31st, 2005, 2:47am » |
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on Dec 31st, 2005, 2:10am, fubar wrote:| There is no such thing as time. Only a few of us have access to the controls. |
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Yep.
Set the controls for the heart of the sun
Little by little the night turns around
Counting the leaves which tremble at dawn
Lotuses lean on each other in yearning
Under the eaves the swallow is resting
Set the controls for the heart of the sun
Over the mountain watching the watcher
Breaking the darkness
Waking the grapevine
One inch of love is one inch of shadow
Love is the shadow that ripens the wine
Set the controls for the heart of the sun
Witness the man who waves at the wall
Making the shape of his question to Heaven
Whether the sun will fall in the evening
Will he remember the lesson of giving
Set the controls for the heart of the sun
Roger Waters, 1967, Pink Floyd
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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #4 on: Dec 31st, 2005, 3:22am » |
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on Dec 31st, 2005, 2:30am, Jasmyn wrote:
Then why is it night where you are and day where I am?
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Breathe deep the gathering gloom,
Watch lights fade from every room.
Bedsitter people look back and lament
Another day's useless energy is spent.
Impassioned lovers wrestle as one;
Lonely man cries for love and has none;
New mother picks up and suckles her son;
Senior citizens wish they were young.
Cold-hearted orb that rules the night
Removes the colours from our sight,
Red is grey and yellow white
But we decide which is right
And which is an illusion.
Graeme Edge, Moody Blues 1967
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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #5 on: Dec 31st, 2005, 8:54am » |
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In my world its only:
What's for breakfast? time
What can we have for lunch? time
When's dinner? time
I'm going to bed time.
my hubby and kids 2005 everyday
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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #6 on: Dec 31st, 2005, 9:17am » |
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I'm sooooooo confused now!
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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #7 on: Dec 31st, 2005, 9:41am » |
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I'm not a singularity fan, but time seems to help make everything from all happening at once.
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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #8 on: Dec 31st, 2005, 9:41am » |
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The sun and moon every day,
Day and night, mark my play.
See the future in the past,
Try to change or make it last.
Go for broke, don't regret,
Get your hands dirty, get your feet wet,
Take your place, use me well,
I'm in your hands so make me tell.
A broken dream seems unkind
But I can help for I am time.
Graeme Edge, Moody Blues, 1986
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"Time to realize that what you're doing right now, is exactly what you're supposed to be doing, and leave it at that." ~ Melissa K. Filtz 12-31-05
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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #10 on: Dec 31st, 2005, 11:56am » |
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on Dec 31st, 2005, 11:23am, Melissa wrote:Time
"Time to realize that what you're doing right now, is exactly what you're supposed to be doing, and leave it at that." ~ Melissa K. Filtz 12-31-05
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I'm suppose to be wondering what the "K" stands for.
Knitternut? Knut? Knevermind? Knerd? Kneat? Knobodygetstofindout? I give up and will leave it at that. K?
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on Dec 31st, 2005, 11:56am, Kevin_M wrote:
I'm suppose to be wondering what the "K" stands for.
Knitternut? Knut? Knevermind? Knerd? Kneat? Knobodygetstofindout? I give up. K?
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Kay.
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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #12 on: Dec 31st, 2005, 2:57pm » |
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Cute stuff kids.....but....
What a buncha nerds.  
It will be 2006 in no tiime at all. 
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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #13 on: Dec 31st, 2005, 8:14pm » |
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on Dec 31st, 2005, 2:57pm, Charlie wrote:Cute stuff kids.....but....
What a buncha nerds.
It will be 2006 in no tiime at all.
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Yip, Charlie, time stands still for no man (or woman ) but we always carry on ticking, no matter what, until our clock eventually chimes.
Mel, you're a wise woman.
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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #14 on: Dec 31st, 2005, 8:52pm » |
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on Dec 31st, 2005, 2:10am, fubar wrote:| There is no such thing as time. Everything happened in a singularity, and time is our pathetic way of dealing with the amount of information that we consumed in that instant. We are living in Tivo-land. Only a few of us have access to the controls. |
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Right there is no such thing as time, but then I have this problem, many physical laws have time in their equations, so does that mean physics doesn't exist either, or do the laws simply exist because we created them.
I have devoted a night of insomnia to this but I ended up with Einstein being wrong. Even though Einstein says that time is not a constant, but relative to your speed and location in space he still says it exists.
I guess I need another night to figure this out.
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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #15 on: Dec 31st, 2005, 9:34pm » |
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I think this thread is out of time........
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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #16 on: Dec 31st, 2005, 11:18pm » |
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on Dec 31st, 2005, 8:52pm, Opus wrote:| Right there is no such thing as time, |
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Without time, things would not evolve, or there would be no distance. The speed of light is a constant.
Quote:so does that mean physics doesn't exist or do the laws simply exist because we created them.
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Without physics, explantions that make sense would be non-existant, the sun would not shine and atoms would not form molecules, we would not exist, therefore there is something to it. The thoughts of Newton, Galileo, Einstein, among others would be insignificant. As it is, they are at the top of the most influencial people in science. We cannot create what already is and has been, only discover.
Quote:| I ended up with Einstein being wrong. Even though Einstein says that time is not a constant, but relative to your speed and location in space he still says it exists. |
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Gravity is also a factor. Of course time is not a constant, but it's existence has nothing to do with that.
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You're more ambitious than me, years of reading has shed light very gradually.
Your interest in this Paul is very commendable and I suspect you'll come upon some answers you're looking for. Best to you.
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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #17 on: Jan 1st, 2006, 11:39am » |
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Gravity, speed, distance and time are all connected
if you’re falling out of a tree.
or trying to take care of 'duties' during a commercial.
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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #18 on: Jan 1st, 2006, 12:32pm » |
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Kevin,
I forgot about String theory, which I don't know too much about yet, but it probably holds the answers about time I am looking for.
Gravity is another problem for me. The visual representation of an 3D object making a dish in a 2D plane of space does nothing to represent what happens in 3D space. When I stack the planes the effect of falling toward an object disappears. Possibly the 10 dimensions of string theory would make this work, but only for 3 or 4 dimensions.
Einsteins assertion that the speed of light in a vacuum is the fastest speed possible never seemed right to me, but with String theory's 10 dimensions, then the limit can be broken in higher dimension. I still have to think that Einstein is probably correct, he has never been proved wrong yet, and the last person claiming to have discovered something that traveled faster than light died for it
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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #19 on: Jan 1st, 2006, 1:57pm » |
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on Jan 1st, 2006, 12:32pm, Opus wrote:| the answers about time I am looking for. |
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Paul, I was thinking on a quite simpler level concerning time. I'm not mathmatically inclined so I have to remain elementary here.
Velocity x Time = Distance.
100mph x 1 hour = 100 miles.
If time is non-existent, then it's value would be zero.
100mph x 0 = 0 distance.
100mph, for zero time would be zero distance.
or, the speed of light for zero time would be zero distance.
I know its more complex than that and probably acceleration and displacement are more appropriate, but with time as a zero factor, distance would not be traversed.
As for time and evolution, I'll avoid Darwin.
The computer you had ten years ago is not the same computer, technologically, you have now. You could not have had the computer ten years ago you have now, technologically, because technological evolving took time. If there was no time, it couldn't have evolved.
Man, the holes that can be possibly punched into these examples are scary. Be gentle.
(Ueli, be nice )
I should just defer to BobG's falling out a tree, or commercial reality.
If falling out of a tree happens at 15mph, doing it for zero seconds would not be falling, no distance closer to the ground. Without time, no distance.
(Sorry to drag you into my contorted thoughts Bob  )
That's as deep as I can explain and Bob's example was over my head. 
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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #20 on: Jan 1st, 2006, 2:53pm » |
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Paul, for these, I've liked the star theory that Fred Hoyle did, perhaps derived from Arthur Eddington. Hans Bethe won a Nobel Prize in 1967 for energy production in stars. A long awaited Nobel was presented to India's Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar for the evolution of stars in 1983.
The best for molecules forming is Linus Pauling, physics trained who made the most from the Pauli Exclusion Principle; Nobel in Chemistry 1954 for the chemical bond.
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The factor of gravity with time becomes relevent when light travels through an area where gravity is present, in curved space. Being that the space is curved, it covers more area, the light will curve or bend, following space and the shortest route. Another beam of light traveling through space in an area not affected by gravity, uncurved, will actually travel less of an area of space and arrive faster, though both beams are traveling the same speed. Time decreases around gravity due to further distance traveling through curved space.
but there's so much more.
now I fucked myself.
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Re: Time Travel
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Quote:Gravity is another problem for me. The visual representation of an 3D object making a dish in a 2D plane of space does nothing to represent what happens in 3D space. When I stack the planes the effect of falling toward an object disappears. Possibly the 10 dimensions of string theory would make this work, but only for 3 or 4 dimensions.
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Quote: Velocity x Time = Distance.
100mph x 1 hour = 100 miles.
If time is non-existent, then it's value would be zero.
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Oooo--more, you guys, more. Talk nerdy to me.
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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #22 on: Jan 1st, 2006, 3:19pm » |
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Damn...some of you people are way too smart for me...trying to understand that is giving me a headache.
Mel, I like your explanation best.
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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #23 on: Jan 1st, 2006, 3:30pm » |
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on Jan 1st, 2006, 3:17pm, pattik wrote:
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Re: Time Travel
« Reply #24 on: Jan 1st, 2006, 3:30pm » |
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on Jan 1st, 2006, 2:53pm, Kevin_M wrote:but there's so much more.
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