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Paris Burning
« on: Nov 6th, 2005, 3:01pm » |
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Sitting here watching and reading the news of ten days of riots in France. Seems a couple of kids of North African extraction were hiding from the cops in a power station and electrocuted themselves (so says the press anyway). Not sure why, but lots of their ethnic kin are burning cars and businesses. Pretty scary... Cops can't seem to catch them. They are running all over France now, urban and rural areas as well, torching cars and trashing homes, businesses. French authorities really have their hands full. I live in Stuttgart, about an hour and a half from Strasbourg France. Hope they get this sorted out.
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Re: Paris Burning
« Reply #1 on: Nov 6th, 2005, 5:42pm » |
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I will pray that this passes quickly and peacefully.I read that the cops stated that they were not chasing them at all and have no idea why the kids were in there. But the people are still rioting and acting like terrible people.
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Re: Paris Burning
« Reply #2 on: Nov 6th, 2005, 8:33pm » |
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Didn't the kids or punks die and the cops are bein blamed for racial stuff so the ethnics are riotiing and goin berzerk......lame excuses to pillage Pam
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Re: Paris Burning
« Reply #3 on: Nov 6th, 2005, 9:18pm » |
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Is this the story of kids of young men that were electrocuted while runnning away from the police?
A strange story but awful consequences.
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Yup, that's what started it.
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Re: Paris Burning
« Reply #5 on: Nov 7th, 2005, 12:19am » |
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From CNN:
"Since October 27, 3,460 cars had been torched, the official said."
Seems there's a theme here. Why so obsessed with cars? Did Fiat, Volvo or Lee Iacoccaine piss them off?
I don't understand other countries, but then again, I seldom wander far from my home town.
One of you worldly folks will surely explain it.
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Re: Paris Burning
« Reply #6 on: Nov 7th, 2005, 1:24am » |
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RJ, I'm not happy to report that I'm by no means worldly but
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Is a custom in Africa when there are riots. I have no more an answer to this question of escalation in destruction than I presume that you or any of us have 
Just hope it will end soon.
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Re: Paris Burning
« Reply #7 on: Nov 7th, 2005, 1:28am » |
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its not sure wether the police were even after the two guys who got killed in the power station
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You know, during the migration of nations about 1500 years ago the notorious Vandals marched through Spain and then settled in North Africa. In recent years the descendants of this brutal people flocked to France, mostly to live there in the pockets of taxpayers. Especially the adolescent, who are too lazy to learn French, act in the true fashion of their forefathers, destroying out of pure delight for destruction. They set fire not only to cars (alone 800 this night) but to busses too. They light schools and kindergardens, libraries and sports facilities built especially for these fuckers, in short everything that's inflammable. Of course, they attack their natural enemies, the police, but for good measure don't stop for firefighters and paramedics.
That's what you get if you let xenophile commies and green softies make the immigration laws.
 
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Re: Paris Burning
« Reply #9 on: Nov 7th, 2005, 3:03am » |
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Whatever the truth is (and who knows for sure at this point?) people BELIEVE they were either being chased or had to hide from the police as they didn't want to be stopped.
I don't think that a politician calling the population "scum" has helped things much. 
This is sad, but it isn't the first country where disaffected 1st, 2nd,or even 3rd generation minorities (so not immigrants at all) have felt so disaffected that this has happened. We had similar riots in the UK in the early 80's, triggered by a police incident where someone died accidentally (they were shot though!) but stemming from several areas of several large cities including London where large ethnic minority groups felt discriminated against and badly treated. The hatred and violence that developed was truly terrifying.
These riots in France are on a MUCH larger scale though.
Awful and I understand your concern Bondservant as the press is suggesting that it could spread to other European countries with similar problems.
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Re: Paris Burning
« Reply #10 on: Nov 7th, 2005, 7:54am » |
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please forgive my inability to follow the thread or even the news......BUT.....my prayers and thoughts to the families of the kids who were electocuted...REGARDLESS of their actions.
Crime is crime is crime is crime. Don't care if you're immigrant, national, pissed, forgot what i was gonna say here....... oh yeah....no i still forgot.....
anyway, even if I cant remember, there is no excuse for teh rioting and all that crap.
Back to my fog.
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Re: Paris Burning
« Reply #11 on: Nov 7th, 2005, 7:58am » |
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You hang in there Jen, fog will lift one of these days! 
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Re: Paris Burning
« Reply #12 on: Nov 7th, 2005, 7:58am » |
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Thursday, 27 October:
- Two boys in the suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois, Bouna Traore, a 15-year-old of Malian background, and Zyed Benna, a 17-year-old of Tunisian origin, flee a police identity check. They scale the wall of an electrical relay station and are electrocuted as they try to hide near a transformer.
- Youths in the suburb, hearing of the deaths, go on a rampage, burning 23 vehicles and vandalising buildings and hurling stones and bottles at riot police.
It could be worse, you could have the black Panthers running the show. Shades of the 1960's and the Chicago Riots.
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Re: Paris Burning
« Reply #13 on: Nov 7th, 2005, 3:22pm » |
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The problem is that the French are so hamstrung by their laws on civil liberty that they are unable to take action to protect lives and property, which is the primary responsiblity of a government... I was on a plane from Charles de Gaulle Airport to Congo two years ago and on board were three Congolese who were being deported. Needless to say, these deportees did not want to go, but stay in France. They kicked up a ruckus in the back of the aircraft (they had security guards on them) and the guards were not allowed to restrain them. The deportees knew this and also knew that the pilot had the authority to kick them off the aircraft. Eventually, they authorities put 9 police on the plane to restore order (about half the plane was sympathetic to the deportees), but the police were not permitted to restrain them either, but they did start rousting passengers that were sympathetic to the deportees. It was totally insane. The flight was held up two hours, before someone eventually decided to authorize the plane to take off. The deportees continued to kick up a ruckus until the airplane was airborne, at which point they settled right down. With these riots, the rioters have been shooting at police, but the police have been restrained from shooting because of French civil liberties. The place is descending into anarchy...
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Re: Paris Burning
« Reply #14 on: Nov 7th, 2005, 4:42pm » |
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Right on Ueli.
Oh, you forgot Renault, the worst of them lot (burn better too)
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Re: Paris Burning
« Reply #15 on: Nov 7th, 2005, 6:53pm » |
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Personally I think all these kids that are causing the rukus (in all parts of the world) need their butts spanked.
Where the hell were their parents when they were growing up to be such punks?
I just read the thread by DD where her child learned the Pledge of Alligence. THAT's things we should be raising our kids to do -- and don't tell me times have changed..... I would still pull my kid's pants down and wear him out (and he's 37) if he decided to do something like this. Geezzz, my mom NEVER had to tell me NOT to do this crap -- I KNEW Better!!!
Back to my old song and verse -- children have to be raised at home or we'll have the things going on that we have today. Parents have to lead by example and spend time with the kids (and BOTH my parents worked back in the OLD days before it was even popular for women to work, so don't tell me that's the reason!).
There are ways to protest something we don't like, but destroying people and property is not the answer. We need to learn to VOTE!
Ok, off soapbox. I lived in France and Germany back in my younger days and it pains me to see what's going on right now.
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Re: Paris Burning
« Reply #16 on: Nov 7th, 2005, 7:53pm » |
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Bless you Mom.
I've been following this story at first report. No cable (yet) will drive you to the computer.
There is so much more to this uprising....way more than I can say here.
The truth is being snuffed out, as is what happen in a socialist leaning society, too busy or to self involved to see that they are too being snuffed out.
Nothing left, pardon my pun, to rally around.
Death by political correctness and smug indifference.
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Re: Paris Burning
« Reply #17 on: Nov 7th, 2005, 7:57pm » |
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France just needs to surrender, works for them every time.....LOL 
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Re: Paris Burning
« Reply #18 on: Nov 7th, 2005, 8:03pm » |
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on Nov 7th, 2005, 3:22pm, Bondservant wrote:The problem is that the French are so hamstrung by their laws on civil liberty
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As far as serious riots go, many accepted civil liberties become a bit irrelevant for the duration don't they?
My experience of riots in London was that they can sometimes be stopped in their very early stages by diplomatic handling and promises of social change, but once they are well underway it is really a kind of war and the faster, and I'm afraid to say, harder the police squash it the less EVERYONE gets hurt. I don't just speak theoretically as I was a Police Officer in Brixton in the 80's so saw a lot. We learned from the first riots and when the second ones started two years later, what worked was going in early on with HUGE numbers of police officers in full protective gear, horses and dogs and swamping the streets so as not to allow blockading and small groups forming into large organised armies.
The situation in France looks beyond distastrous now, our news said there was now rioting in 600 towns and cities and the Police are being shot at, this sounds almost like civil war, not rioting so maybe a war is how it should be treated by the law enforcement agencies e.g. bring in the army and water cannon etc before more people die.
I also don't think the rioters see France as a place where Civil Liberties apply equally to them. It doesn't strike me as tactful banning Muslim girls from wearing the Hijab to school when France has Western Europe's largest Muslim population — about 5 million — and Islam is the second religion in the country. I'm not saying our record on civil liberties is exemplary, we have our own integration and relations problems here but we couldn't do what France did, even if we wanted to here because the law doesn't allow it. I am a bit confused how France could as I thought they were governed by the same European laws and directives as we are.
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Well, I wasn't gonna participate in this thread, but...
Well, the current problem is the invasion of North Africans to France. Algerians, Morrocans, Tunisians, etc..It's nothing new. Look at the city of Marseilles. It used to be beautiful.. now it's a dangerous place for a French Native to be...
They come to France, reproduce and then obtain citizenship, etc... then reproduce again and again, and don't work. The government give them money to help them, and yes, tax payers get pissed.
But the main problem is when they want France to "adopt" their cultures, etc... Fuck that.
When I was in high school and the government threatened to make us pay for education, we did the same thing.
Burned cars (I've only kinda helped burning a cop car, ok?) and we released thousands of mice in rich department stores, stopped going to school and broke windows of jewlery stores, crystal, porcelain, etc...
Result: Cost of education: 0
The French may suck in most wars (after Napoleon that is) but inside their country, they won't take any shit. They love to strike, protest and riot. End of the story.
Nothing wrong with that. I'm gonna go break something now.
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Re: Paris Burning
« Reply #20 on: Nov 7th, 2005, 8:14pm » |
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Re: Paris Burning
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Sounds like the French are the ones being assimilated, resistance is futile....................
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Re: Paris Burning
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on Nov 7th, 2005, 8:13pm, rextangle wrote:They come to France, reproduce and then obtain citizenship, etc... then reproduce again and again, and don't work. The government give them money to help them, and yes, tax payers get pissed.
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Man, that sounds fimiliar!!
Go to any motor vehical registry in the US and all the info is printed in 10 diff languages.
If you cant read english, how the fuck can you read the road signs??
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Re: Paris Burning
« Reply #24 on: Nov 7th, 2005, 8:23pm » |
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I think that France is learning that it is not immune to this type of terrorism, anarchy, and destruction. There is not one country in this world that is immune anymore - not us, not anybody. The world is learning now - what does the WORLD intend to do about it? It's a global problem.
Pretty soon, there won't be a "safe place to live" on this planet. And, I for one, pity our descendants.
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