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on Oct 17th, 2005, 4:00am, Carl_D wrote:Each week for the past 4-5 weeks I get less sleep per week and if I get none by wednesday - to the ER I go!
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on Oct 17th, 2005, 8:10am, Woobie wrote:
Carl - just wondering.......
What does the ER do for you when you go for not sleeping? What do they give you?
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I'm still curious.............. 
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I think it depends on the locale.
Here in Granite at Gateway Regional Meidieval Centre, they don't much at all. In fact, I'd rather go to the local Veterinarian. Gateway Regional was bad when it was St Elizabeth, and since they changed - way downhill. Once went to the ER here during a massive CH and they thought I was on dope, wouldn't do jackshit for me, and THEN when the attack was over...they held me until the Tox Screen came back and showed I didn't have illicit drugs in my system. Bastages! Also my week-long stay back in July... let's just say I would have rather spent it with Hannibal Lector and Dr Satan. 
However, next time I'll be headed across the river to Barnes in St Louis. I've been dealing with the sleep issue for long enough now, gonna try and tough it out the next 13 days until my Dr appointment.
Sheesh.... 13 days, OY VEY! And I'm only 1/8th Jewish!    
Got a feeling my doc will ship me straight to the sleep clinic. Fun fun fun! Can't sleep in the comfort of my own bed or on the loveseat sitting up, But I'm sure I'll do great in a strange bed with about 50 wires glued to me. 
I saw a Dateline special earlier this year about severe insomnia, and they had 4 people on there, the one guy in his early 40's. It showed them being videod, not being able to sleep - the guy looked like hell. At the very end of the show they said, "Unfortunately all of the subjects featured in this show have since passed on." THAT freaked me out. All I could think was "Couldn't they have given those people ANYTHING to knock them out of make them sleep?" Big Dan was the first to send me articles on the effects of sleep deprivation, as this has been going on a loooooong time, but it didn't really sink in until I saw that Dateline special.
It's bumming me out too because I am trying to find that particular episode of Dateline and I even checked the NBC archives and they had no Dateline episodes. Gonna ask my brother if maybe one of his bittorrent users might have Dateline programs archived.
It's too late to try and sleep now. Got another full day of fun ahead Next opportunity will be sometime this evening.
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Carl
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Re: HEY CARL
« Reply #2 on: Oct 19th, 2005, 12:59pm » |
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Hey Carl, I've also heard HORRIBLE stories about Gateway, I almost took a job there when St. Elizabeth's was being bought out. Thank goodness I turned them down. I've also heard pretty bad stories about Anderson too, but that's usually where I go when I have a bad headache. I won't go there if it is something life threatening. Anyhow, I hope that you are getting some rest today and hopefully you can be rested for the Cards game tonight! See ya!
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Myself I kinda doubt a hospital would give you anything for goin in sayin ya haven't slept.....too many drug seekers and even my doc has to be VERY careful with meds and screen patients and does background searches. I didn't realize that till a while back when we had the conversation and he has me on pain management trusting my own judgement. He said I checked out clean......he also has to see patients he gives certain meds to every three months and do routine blood work. I'm fine with that.....I'm only looking to feel normal not screw'd up. But with all that I would seriously doubt a hospital would do much for then refer yo to sleep clinics or recommend things or docs. There are heavy OLD meds out there to knock a person out but then you'd be drousey for a few days and out of it......most people can't afford that if they have to get up early. I went that route YEARS ago and hated that feeling the next day and did not feel relaxed or refereshed at all. Felt tired and didn't want to do nothing which is NOT there goal these days. Amibien and meds like it are directed at the part of the brain that activates sleep and does't work rite......shuts it down. But it may work for a while then stop. It does make me fall asleep.....and I take what I get after that. And NO drousey feeling next day other then being tired from tossing and turning all nite. Every which way but rite Pam
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Carl, you wrote a lot, but didn't answer Tina's question. She wants to know what they give you. From reading what you wrote, it seems you get NOTHING? Is that correct?
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Re: HEY CARL
« Reply #5 on: Oct 19th, 2005, 5:35pm » |
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If you get nothing, why go?
If you went before for not sleeping.... what did they do? Is there something they can give you to make you sleep? Something that isn't within the normal prescription sleep aid deal?
that's what i'm wondering.
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on Oct 19th, 2005, 5:35pm, Woobie wrote:If you get nothing, why go?
If you went before for not sleeping.... what did they do? Is there something they can give you to make you sleep? Something that isn't within the normal prescription sleep aid deal?
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Sorry Woob's - been a space cadet for over a week now as the lack of sleep catches up with my sorry ass. I have the attention span equivilant to a gnat right now.
They gave me a solutab of Ativan, gave me a shot of something and sent me home. The Ativan relaxes me, but doesn't really put me out. Helps alot with anxiety though. They gave me a script and my doc put me on it. Doesn't really help with sleep. However, that was the ER here (Gateway Reamuall Medieval Barbar of Yorik Centre)... If I go to the ER, I am headed to Barnes over in St Louis, since my GP is 3 blocks away from there and my neuro is there at Wash. U. Neuroscience Center. The sleep center is I think 4 blocks away from Barnes as well.
Right now I am taking Remeron, Amitriptyline (which used to knock me out for long periods, but think I am immune to it now even at a strong dose), Melatonin/5htp, Ativan, Methocarbamol (musco-skeletal relaxant), Tramadol, Verapamil and Restoril at night. Take them every night. No wonder I feel so fucked up!
Night of The Living Insomni-Mack,
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Re: HEY CARL
« Reply #7 on: Oct 19th, 2005, 9:47pm » |
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Sumtimes takin a combination of meds for a problem can become a problem or creat more problems or inhance issues.......ya mite wanna weed out some of the meds......if there not workin......either start over and only take the ones that do work or try sumthin else thru your doctor but be careful with big combo's. I am very picky what I take and when.....cause alot of stuff makes my insomia worse or makes me stupid.....vicious cycle. But you mite be stirrin a big pot Pam
Ativan & Lorazepam
(same thing....one is the generic) affect chemicals in the brain that may become unbalanced and cause anxiety, insomnia, and seizures.
Ativan & Lorazepam are used to relieve anxiety, nervousness, and tension associated with anxiety disorders. It is also used to treat certain types of seizure disorders and to relieve insomnia (induce sleep).
Symptoms of a Ativan or Lorazepam overdose include sleepiness, dizziness, confusion, a slow heart beat, difficulty breathing, difficulty walking and talking, an appearance of being drunk, and unconsciousness.
Ativan & Lorazepam may increase the effects of other drugs that cause drowsiness, including antidepressants, alcohol, antihistamines, sedatives (used to treat insomnia), pain relievers, anxiety medicines, seizure medicines, and muscle relaxants. Tell your doctor about all medicines that you are taking, and do not take any medicine without first talking to your doctor.
If you experience any of the following serious side effects, stop taking Ativan or Lorazepam and seek emergency medical attention or contact your doctor immediately:
·an allergic reaction (difficulty breathing; closing of the throat; swelling of the lips, face, or tongue; or hives);
·sores in the mouth or throat;
·yellowing of the skin or eyes;
·a rash;
·hallucinations or severe confusion; or
·changes in vision.
Other, less serious side effects may be more likely to occur. Continue to take Ativan or Lorazepam and talk to your doctor if you experience
·drowsiness, dizziness, or clumsiness;
·depression;
·nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, or constipation;
·difficulty urinating;
·vivid dreams;
·headache;
·dry mouth;
·decreased sex drive; or
·changes in behavior.
Sum people create a worse mess.....so be careful. I think restoril and ativan are similar. Years ago my doc tried xanax and valium to help me relax and sleep.....I JUMP and JERK awake usually when I fall asleep and wake up and do that three times in a row and am wired. The xanax ect only 'helped me' fall asleep if I was lucky for a half hour or hour. I didn't care for the hangover in the morning so I didn't continue. I don't like bein loopey anyhow. (dingy I can't help and the two don't work well) I'd feel groggy next day and NOT be able to sleep or even relax to fall asleep. So I moved on. Careful yer not makein yerself go thru more then ya have to. Did I make sense at all.......sorry......lill sleep deprived myself.
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Re: HEY CARL
« Reply #8 on: Oct 20th, 2005, 1:24am » |
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on Oct 19th, 2005, 7:00pm, Carl_D wrote:
They gave me a solutab of Ativan, gave me a shot of something and sent me home. The Ativan relaxes me, but doesn't really put me out. Helps alot with anxiety though. They gave me a script and my doc put me on it. |
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OK Carl,
so - they gave you an anti-anxiety med,
a shot of SOMETHING, and
a script of SOMETHING........
ok... got it
thanks
nevermind..............
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on Oct 20th, 2005, 1:24am, Woobie wrote:
OK Carl,
so - they gave you an anti-anxiety med,
a shot of SOMETHING, and
a script of SOMETHING........
ok... got it
thanks
nevermind..............
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Sorry again Woobs - brain on autopilot... I don't rmember what the shot was, but the script was for the Ativan. That was when my doc put me on it.
When I go to see my Doc, gonna ask him about accupuncture and also Trazadone.
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Re: HEY CARL
« Reply #10 on: Oct 20th, 2005, 2:24pm » |
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on Oct 20th, 2005, 12:23pm, Carl_D wrote:
When I go to see my Doc, gonna ask him about accupuncture and also Trazadone.
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Carl D
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Careful with the trazadone, Carl. It can cause milk(y) leakage from the nipples. I'm serious.
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Re: HEY CARL
« Reply #11 on: Oct 20th, 2005, 7:47pm » |
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Trazodone hydrochloride is also known as DESYREL (pronounced DES-ee-rel). It is commonly prescribed for the treatment of depression. Trazodone is also used to reduce the symptoms of agoraphobia, drug induced insomnia, essential tremor, repetitive screaming, and some pain syndromes. How does Trazadone work? This prescription drug helps to relieve depression by increasing the amount of a chemical called serotonin in brain centers.
Are you SURE you want to try this med on top of all the others ? You are goin to end up so screw'd up it will take a cork screw to let all the demons out. This don't sound like somethin for fibro and insomnia.....I have tried alot of antidepressants and MOST made me feel ODD and you could loose yourself quite easily if the type to just go ahead and continue with them. I was smart enuff to give em a short trial and error as my doc requested. I found that alot of that stuff changes you......could be good but it could be bad. Don't loose touch with yourself Pam
Jus be careful what ya ask for................
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Re: HEY CARL
« Reply #12 on: Oct 20th, 2005, 8:01pm » |
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I was given trazedone for a sleep aid. That shit didnt work at all, but it was pretty fun stuff!!
That shit gave me such incredible dry mouth, that is what woke me up. So freakin dry my mouth and throat was swollen.
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« Reply #13 on: Oct 20th, 2005, 8:24pm » |
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Gross......I suppose it depends on wether ya seriously wanna sleep or gag Pam
I mitea tried that once years ago......think the toilet ended up OD'n on the rest of the script.......see ya.....flush flush swirl........
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on Oct 19th, 2005, 7:00pm, Carl_D wrote:Right now I am taking Remeron, Amitriptyline (which used to knock me out for long periods, but think I am immune to it now even at a strong dose), Melatonin/5htp, Ativan, Methocarbamol (musco-skeletal relaxant), Tramadol, Verapamil and Restoril at night. Take them every night. No wonder I feel so fucked up!
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I know Tramadol. It is a the generic to Ultram and that stuff is great pain killer but will make you anxious and cause you to lose sleep.
You are a walking pharmacy store, Carl. Pam is right, you need to talk to your pharmacist, uless your desire is to have these drugs.
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on Oct 21st, 2005, 8:13am, TomM wrote:
I know Tramadol. It is a the generic to Ultram and that stuff is great pain killer but will make you anxious and cause you to lose sleep.
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Anxious hell, I use to call them my little zingers, cause that's what they made me do, zing all over the place like I was on Meth or somethin, and when I would come down off my little tramadol high, I would be cranky as hell  They did the trick most of the time, but I had to chew them up 
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Re: HEY CARL
« Reply #16 on: Oct 21st, 2005, 8:33am » |
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Carl~~~~
You wanna add WHAT??????????????
I also have a chronic pain illness. I also am in pain every single day I'm alive. I, too, struggle to do the simplest things sometimes.
I was taking 14 pills a day at one point. Amitriptyline, remeron among them. I wasn't sleeping, I wasn't eating, i was a zombie....... my memory and concentration went to shit, my symptoms got worse......
I suggested to my doctor that NOTHING I was taking was working... and we "re-evaluated" my meds.
I was taken off or weened off of EVERYTHING.
I was to go "MED FREE" for 2 weeks to see how I REALLY felt without any drugs in me.
That two weeks was HELL ............. but totally worth it.
Only went back to taking ONLY one of the things I was taking in the first place. And amazingly - it worked.
ONE pill - instead of 14.
Seems to me from your posts, that your meds ARENT working.
Time to try something else.
And I dont mean ADDing to your cocktail....
Talk to your doctor. Maybe it's time to adjust. See what he/she thinks about reducing or eliminating some of your pills....
just the opinion of someone who's been there.
do with it what you want.
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« Reply #17 on: Oct 21st, 2005, 10:42am » |
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on Oct 21st, 2005, 8:33am, Woobie wrote:
Seems to me from your posts, that your meds ARENT working.
Time to try something else.
And I dont mean ADDing to your cocktail....
Talk to your doctor. Maybe it's time to adjust. See what he/she thinks about reducing or eliminating some of your pills....
just the opinion of someone who's been there.
do with it what you want.
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I totally agree.
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Tramadol really gives ya anxious zingers? LOL I never knew that...nor have I ever experienced it. I take it twice a week. hehehe Now I'll have to take note if some of my more anxious times are when I take that med since I didn't know it could do that. 
I agree with Woobs totally. I had to take myself off all my meds before - I wasn't able to go completely med free because of certain biological reasons, but I did feel better getting off all the crap.
I still take a lot of meds right now, but my doc always says, "That simplifies things" when I go into my appts and tell him I want off this or that before attempting anything else.
Too many meds is a baaaaaaaaaaaaad thing.....
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I'm like you Woobs.......I have two meds I rotate......and I am very very cautious with them. I don't get up in the morning and pop anything.......I wait to see how I am getting around for several hours first. If I find myself overwhelmed by pain walking in circles shakeing and depressed I will take the lowest dose of one med. Doesn't KILL the pain but at least I can think clearer and get past that mental block. I don't watch the clock and pop more every 4 hours......I wait and see how it goes and I keep moveing and busy. I rotate two meds to decrease any dependency even more so.....and I don't take them DAILY unless it is BAD.....I evaluate my pain levels first EVERY day ! I enjoy the pleasure something working.....and my doc trusts I am doing a very good job of manageing my own pain which is quite an honor. I have all the stuff for spasm's ect ect ect.....but all that stuff makes me feel CRAPPY as hell useless and irritable. I thrive on being ABLE to keep busy......I could never let the meds pull me down farther and just keep takeing them or more. A long list of meds takein routinely for pain and ch I think is only adding new symtoms......and yeah......like what giff said the tramadol will make you BUSY and not sleep. I use a big special heat pad if I hurt BAD at nite and won't take the pain meds unless I am in a major flareup and can't even breathe the pain is so bad. The meds can suck the life out of you Carl........figure out which one or ones REALLY works and gives you a better quality of life that you enjoy liveing. Pick yer poison Pam
NOT pickin on ya Carl......I have seen somany people just keep takeing stuff cuz the doc scripted it.....then new sytoms arise so they get additional meds and take them daily and they GET LOST.....they don't really know what there treating anymore and which syptoms are real or created and they don't sit back to even think about it.
Sorry guys.....I have a real thing about this cuz I have seen people get so mixed up in all this. Sum get into trouble or hurt or VERY ill and it gives the ones that take the same meds responsibly a bad name !! Just don't want ya caught up in it all cuz it is an act of desperation at times to find what works.
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I'll be honest, been thinking the past week or more that some of the meds are probably doing more harm than good, and think it has also contributed to me getting major sick the last two days. I'll spare the details.
I told my sis in law I am about ready to look for a new Doc but not sure where to even begin (deja vue with amnesia again... seems like I've forgotten all this before). He is constantly trying different meds which, I give him credit - I think he is 'trying' but I also know how the pharm companies push their product to docs. One time I think about a year ago, my Doc went to prescribe yet something else and I asked "Now are you prescribing this because you think it will really help, or is this what the pharmaceutical sales rep wants you to push this month?" I think that shocked him as he just looked at me for a second then said "I'm hoping it will help."
Woobs - I am about ready to try med free for awhile, with the exception of BP & necessary meds. The Amitriptyline USED TO knock me out for hours and would be able to fall right to sleep after awakening with a hit & riding it out. Now I wake up with a hit and I am up period. No going back to sleep. I'd give my right nut to never have to take another pill again.
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Re: HEY CARL
« Reply #21 on: Oct 21st, 2005, 6:53pm » |
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carl, have you ever thought about going to a pain clinic!!!!
they will evaluate all your meds to see which are actually helping you!!!
you may be surprised to find that at least half or maybe more of the meds you are on just now, you probably don't need!!!
just a thought, know it worked for my hubby!!!
tc sandra xxxx
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