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Operas .............
« on: Oct 5th, 2005, 3:35pm » |
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OK - so the other day I rented Madame Butterfly.
I did not realize that it was an opera.
Personally - I cant get passed the singing - so I went to go turn it off and my daughter (11 years old) threw a fit, and wanted to watch it. I went off and fell asleep...
Not only did she like it - she was entranced. She understood what was going on - and liked it - and wanted to watch it again.
I couldn't believe it. This is a girl who doesn't understand what's going on in a movie that they talk English in half the time. She has a hard time understanding stuff............... but she totally understood this opera. The had to read the subtitles to follow along - but she did.
This is amazing to me -
She wants to watch more movies like that.........
So - since I know NOTHING about operas.... I have to ask you guys... 
Know any?
Tina - who has no culture.
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« Reply #1 on: Oct 5th, 2005, 3:37pm » |
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La Boheme is fantastic - Truly a timeless classic. 
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Re: Operas .............
« Reply #2 on: Oct 5th, 2005, 3:37pm » |
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oh - and she loved Phantom of the Opera......
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« Reply #3 on: Oct 5th, 2005, 3:38pm » |
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Oh man... Take her to see it live, Tina! Mari and I saw it in Nashville, last autumn... We're hooked. The music, the costumes, the special effects happening right there on the stage... It's phenomenal!
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« Reply #4 on: Oct 5th, 2005, 3:38pm » |
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As though we werse cultured 
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« Reply #5 on: Oct 5th, 2005, 3:38pm » |
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on Oct 5th, 2005, 3:37pm, Jeepgun wrote:| La Boheme is fantastic - Truly a timeless classic. |
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« Reply #6 on: Oct 5th, 2005, 3:40pm » |
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Im still tryn to get through bugs bunny doing barber of seville
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« Reply #7 on: Oct 5th, 2005, 3:40pm » |
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Well... That's like asking what Shakespeare is about. It's the story of two young men who fall in love with two young women and their stories. That is the most basic version of it. LOL
I won't spoil it by telling you the whole story. But it's wonderful...
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« Reply #8 on: Oct 5th, 2005, 3:41pm » |
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But if you go to a live opera - how can you follow along if it's in another language?? Do they have the words for you somewhere?
I could always take her to something in Chicago - but I dont want to take her unknowingly to something that isn't appropriate for an 11 yr old .
I know nothing about it.
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« Reply #9 on: Oct 5th, 2005, 3:59pm » |
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Woobs,
First off - if she liked Phantom of the Opera- does she like other musicals? Right then and there that's going to be a little more tolerable to YOU. LOL
I hate opera. In fact, I can't sit through it for more than 5 seconds without wanting to peel my skin off.
That said, don't have her watch any opera by Beethoven, although those would be hard to find - as his operas really sucked a lot.
Aida (the opera version), I'm told is excellent. The musical is terrific. Anything by Giuseppi Verdi is probably the most tolerable.
I dunno. I'm out of my element. I so hate opera. haha
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« Reply #10 on: Oct 5th, 2005, 4:13pm » |
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If your daughter liked Madame Butterfly you might want to try her on the Operas of Gilbert and Sullivan.
Two of my favorites are The Mikado and The Pirates of Penzance.
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« Reply #11 on: Oct 5th, 2005, 4:17pm » |
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I think Musicals would be MUCH more tolerable for me to sit through.
But, I dont know about those either. What would be a good one.........??
live or movie.............. dont care. I just wanna let her see more of it if she enjoys it.
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« Reply #12 on: Oct 5th, 2005, 4:20pm » |
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HI Dan!!!!!!!!!!!
Long time no see! I went to your website a couple weeks ago to check up on your new art. I still have the kitty as my desktop wallpaper.
Are those movies or actual Live shows?
I've been looking around the chicago area to see what's playing ........... but honestly - I dont know anything about any of it........
Like I said - I dont unknowingly want to take her to something innappropriate for her age. and I want to be able to understand the thing too - if I have to sit through it...
Maybe I should just start with movies. It's cheaper to rent movies... LOL
You guys are way more cultured than I am... I am with ghost here..............LOL
But this kid isn't interested in ANYTHING - so when she shows in interest in something - I try to help her out.
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« Reply #13 on: Oct 5th, 2005, 4:49pm » |
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Good choices, Dan.
Les Miserables is a good musical, too. And there's always the perennial favorite: Cats.
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« Reply #14 on: Oct 5th, 2005, 4:51pm » |
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Thanks Woobie,
Why I suggested Gilbert and Sullivan is because it is light
comedic opera. I do not know if there are any live shows going on but if you go to the PBS website they should have some on DVD. http://www.pbs.org
I believe even you will enjoy these.
I think your daughters interest in opera should be encouraged to the max - heaven knows where it might lead her.
Good culture never goes out of style.
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« Reply #15 on: Oct 5th, 2005, 5:31pm » |
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Hi,
Most people react emotionally to oper rather than because of the plots or words (after all most are absurd). Personally I'd avoid G&S operettas with a youngster as the comedy is so much rooted in nineteenth century English comedies of manners - a little above most 11 year olds! Even English kids look perplexed. If any "The Mikado" is worth a try.
You could try Mozart's "Magic Flute" - a pantomime in all but name, dragons, evil Queens, over-the-top heros and heroines and a totally lunatic bird-catcher. I find even younger children enjoy that.
Aida (Verdi) is certainly suitable for the more visceral reactions - though may be a little long. Has a great march, and a really moving ending.
As a Wagner freak I'd push "The Flying Dutchman" -some great tunes and far more chorus work than his later stuff.
Puccini's "Turandot" has a great plot, famous finale, and three characters called Ping, Pang and Pong. Love story par excellence. If someone is going to like opera they very often find themselves wowed by any Puccini.
I also tried some ballet recently with the six-year-olds; Prokofiev's "Romeo and Juliet" was adored - even by the boys.
Probably worth trying to get a detailed synopsis and let her read it, then the subtitles become less important and she can just relax and let it wash over her. Incidentally many opera houses here have surtitles above the stage to help - probably the same in the States.
Really glad to hear she enjoyed it - if it lasts it will become a lifelong passion. My favourite day of all time was when a group of friends at college set aside a day to listen to Wagner's "Ring" in one go - all sixteen hours of it! Musical version of a cricket match - yummy!
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Re: Operas .............
« Reply #16 on: Oct 5th, 2005, 5:40pm » |
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Wow... Madam Butterfly is pretty heavy for an 11 y.o!
With the big suicide scene at the end...
If she likes it, let her watch more!!!
Falstaff is a good one (humorsitic) and Cosi Fan Tutti, Rigoletto, La Traviata, Figaro's Wedding....
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« Reply #19 on: Oct 5th, 2005, 6:22pm » |
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Hey Woobs,
The only opera I know is the rock opera TOMMY by the Who. lol
Musicals are fun though. Take her to see Blue Man Group.
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« Reply #20 on: Oct 5th, 2005, 8:23pm » |
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Woobie,
My ten year old has been going to the opera with my inlaws since he was eight. He loves it! They usually read the story online before they go so he knows what's going on. And he does not go and see those that are not appropriate for him.
Now my six year old loves it too! This summer they were both in the chorus of the opera CARMEN. It was a wonderful experience for them. I never really liked the opera until I saw them in it on the huge stage! Three times!!! 
Going can be completely different than watching it on TV.
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« Reply #21 on: Oct 5th, 2005, 10:34pm » |
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I'm into the overtures. I can't say that I've gotten a lot more out of it but then as a kid I was a horse opera fan.
Some of my favorite music though. 
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« Reply #22 on: Oct 5th, 2005, 10:41pm » |
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Could it be that just haveing to 'read' the subtitles 'caught' her attention span ? Maybe more good grade foreign movies with the subtitles will work too ? (seen enuff bad ones.......even drunk they suck) Read to me cuz I'm deaf Pam
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« Reply #23 on: Oct 5th, 2005, 10:44pm » |
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Operas and musicals..........they'd be great, if it wasn't for all the damned singing. I'm with Ueli on this one. Opera 8.X.
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« Reply #24 on: Oct 6th, 2005, 9:37am » |
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on Oct 5th, 2005, 5:31pm, Simon wrote:
Puccini's "Turandot" has a great plot, famous finale, and three characters called Ping, Pang and Pong. Love story par excellence. If someone is going to like opera they very often find themselves wowed by any Puccini.
I also tried some ballet recently with the six-year-olds; Prokofiev's "Romeo and Juliet" was adored - even by the boys.
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