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Here they are folks..IQ's of Presidents
« on: Sep 26th, 2005, 5:28pm » |
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http://www.lovenstein.org/report/
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Re: Here they are folks..IQ's of Presidents
« Reply #1 on: Sep 26th, 2005, 5:32pm » |
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Wow... interesting. Both my grandkids scored higher that Dubya. I'm not surprised. Of course, they both scored higher than me, too. 
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« Reply #2 on: Sep 26th, 2005, 5:35pm » |
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These aren't the results of standardized IQ tests.
I'm not a Bush fan, but that's not his real IQ.
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« Reply #3 on: Sep 26th, 2005, 5:42pm » |
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Learning you are much smarter than some American President's = Priceless. 
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« Reply #4 on: Sep 26th, 2005, 5:47pm » |
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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
George W. Bush
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Priceless, absolutely priceless! LOL
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« Reply #5 on: Sep 26th, 2005, 5:50pm » |
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http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/p/presidentialiq.htm
liberals grabbing at fiction! Carter is the only President who has released his actual IQ.
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« Reply #6 on: Sep 26th, 2005, 6:04pm » |
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on Sep 26th, 2005, 5:50pm, Bob P wrote:| liberals grabbing at fiction! |
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Grasping at straws.....LMMFAO
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« Reply #7 on: Sep 26th, 2005, 6:43pm » |
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on Sep 26th, 2005, 5:28pm, DonnaHar wrote:http://www.lovenstein.org/report/
The site appears to be genuine, but I'm not going to search sources for very long. You be the judge. |
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Why even post something like this? A huge can of worms.
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« Reply #8 on: Sep 26th, 2005, 6:47pm » |
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on Sep 26th, 2005, 6:43pm, Tim_Z wrote:| Why even post something like this? A huge can of worms. |
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When you got nothing....Make it up (See link below)
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It is up to YOU to educate yourself and then help your doctor plan your treatment. If you just sit down in front of your doctor and say "make me better" you are setting yourself up for a great deal of pain.
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« Reply #9 on: Sep 26th, 2005, 6:51pm » |
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This is a carry-over from another thread.
Many non-ch posts do open cans of worms, but they can be informative as well as fun.
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« Reply #10 on: Sep 26th, 2005, 6:54pm » |
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on Sep 26th, 2005, 6:51pm, DonnaHar wrote:| but they can be informative |
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How can lies be informative?
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« Reply #11 on: Sep 26th, 2005, 7:02pm » |
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on Sep 26th, 2005, 6:54pm, Jonny wrote:How can lies be informative?
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Not sure about informative, but they sure as hell have kept me alive and un-neutered after more'n a quarter century of marriage.
Bill Clinton made oral sex NOT count as real sex. Really. How'd we let this guy go?????
At least I'm smarter than a Bush....or a Stump.
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« Reply #12 on: Sep 26th, 2005, 7:15pm » |
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"You can't stand on both sides of a barbed-wire fence without something nasty happening to you."
"I deny the allegations and I deny the alligators."
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« Reply #13 on: Sep 26th, 2005, 7:36pm » |
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So, how do we weed the lies from the truth?
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« Reply #14 on: Sep 26th, 2005, 7:45pm » |
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on Sep 26th, 2005, 7:36pm, DonnaHar wrote:| So, how do we weed the lies from the truth? |
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You could start by not posting crap that even you doubt that is true.
on Sep 26th, 2005, 5:28pm, DonnaHar wrote:| The site appears to be genuine, but I'm not going to search sources for very long. You be the judge. |
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« Reply #15 on: Sep 26th, 2005, 8:01pm » |
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on Sep 26th, 2005, 7:15pm, AussieBrian wrote:"You can't stand on both sides of a barbed-wire fence without something nasty happening to you."
"I deny the allegations and I deny the alligators."
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reminds of one of my Granddad's sayings...he who walk middle of the road. Get hit by truck. Both ways...
But I believe a lot of people, myself included, walk the middle of the road when it comes to politics. I'm not on the far right, nor on the far left. I believe in a lot conservative ideas as well as liberal ideas and when it comes time for election vote (who I think anyway) has the best record on my views. I don't blindly vote all Republican lines or Democratic lines.
So I guess I get hit by truck....both ways & once in the behind by whoever wins.
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« Reply #16 on: Sep 26th, 2005, 8:02pm » |
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on Sep 26th, 2005, 7:36pm, DonnaHar wrote:| So, how do we weed the lies from the truth? |
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Some of the most intelligent people in the world never graduated high school, let alone stepped foot into a college classroom.
This group figures out a way to take points "off" an IQ for "simply" having a MBA.
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« Reply #17 on: Sep 26th, 2005, 8:09pm » |
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Mind you, having a higher IQ than a politician is no real claim to fame. I'm a successful fisherman, which makes me smarter than the fish.
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« Reply #18 on: Sep 26th, 2005, 8:25pm » |
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on Sep 26th, 2005, 5:50pm, Bob P wrote:| liberals grabbing at fiction! |
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Perhaps. But I still contend that my grandkids are smarter than Dubya. 
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« Reply #19 on: Sep 26th, 2005, 8:25pm » |
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Nah. Not a biggie claim.
Though maybe I should wear the robe of 'prophet'  since the night they announced Bush won over Gore I looked straight at my roommate and fellow musician Jeremy and said "We're going to war with Iraq." That was before 9/11. It didn't take a genius to figure that one out. The first Iraq offensive in '91 (when we SHOULD have taken Saddam out) was during G.H.W.'s Presidency.
I don't care for George W., but I do care about my country and I support our troops wherever they may be. If we left Iraq now, the insurgents would take it over.
There is good and bad in every political party.
The last election... it literally made me sick. The choice between picking Bush or Kerry was like "Do I stick my hand in the meat slicer or grinder?" Lose the hand either way. JMHO.
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« Reply #20 on: Sep 26th, 2005, 9:33pm » |
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I do love debunkers. 
One makes a mistake calling him stupid. He's a major PITA and not too dumb to take advantage of his position.
You don't need brains to win the Presidency when you have Prescott Bush and Daddy for ancestors.
Real old school ruling class. 
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on Sep 26th, 2005, 5:42pm, Carl_D wrote:Learning you are much smarter than some American President's = Priceless.
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« Reply #22 on: Sep 27th, 2005, 3:12am » |
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And he was the only President that knew what IQ meant.
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Good advice. It’s what I do. I don’t believe most of the things I say.
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Ask Rove.
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Re: Here they are folks..IQ's of Presidents
« Reply #23 on: Sep 27th, 2005, 7:50am » |
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On G.W. Bush's IQ (or Lack Thereof)
Netlore Archive: Forwarded email attributed to the nonexistent 'Lovenstein Institute' claims a recent report proves G.W. Bush has the lowest IQ of any modern president
Description: Email joke
Status: False
Circulating since: July 2001
Analysis: See below
Email text contributed by Jason McCrory, 16 July 2001:
Report: President Bush Has Lowest IQ of All Presidents of Past 50 Years
If late night TV comedy is an indicator, then there has never been as widespread a perception that a president is not intellectually qualified for the position he holds as there is with President GW Bush.
In a report published Monday, the Lovenstein Institute of Scranton, Pennsylvania, detailed its findings of a four-month study of the intelligence quotient of President George W. Bush.
Since 1973, the Lovenstein Institute has published its research to the education community on each new president, which includes the famous "IQ" report among others.
According to statements in the report, there have been twelve presidents over the past 50 years, from F. D. Roosevelt to G. W. Bush who were all rated based on scholarly achievements, writings that they alone produced without aid of staff, their ability to speak with clarity, and several other psychological factors which were then scored in the Swanson/Crain system of intelligence ranking.
The study determined the following IQs of each president as accurate to within five percentage points:
147 Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
132 Harry Truman (D)
122 Dwight D. Eisenhower (R)
174 John F. Kennedy (D)
126 Lyndon B. Johnson (D)
155 Richard M. Nixon (R)
121 Gerald Ford (R)
175 James E. Carter (D)
105 Ronald Reagan (R)
098 George HW Bush (R)
182 William J. Clinton (D)
091 George W. Bush (R)
The six Republican presidents of the past 50 years had an average IQ of 115.5, with President Nixon having the highest IQ, at 155.
President G. W. Bush was rated the lowest of all the Republicans with an IQ of 91. The six Democrat presidents had IQs with an average of 156, with President Clinton having the highest IQ, at 182. President Lyndon B. Johnson was rated the lowest of all the Democrats with an IQ of 126.
No president other than Carter (D) has released his actual IQ, 176.
Among comments made concerning the specific testing of President G. W. Bush, his low ratings were due to his apparent difficulty to command the English language in public statements, his limited use of vocabulary (6,500 words for Bush versus an average of 11,000 words for other presidents), his lack of scholarly achievements other than a basic MBA, and an absence of any body of work which could be studied on an intellectual basis. The complete report documents the methods and procedures used to arrive at these ratings, including depth of sentence structure and voice stress confidence analysis.
"All the Presidents prior to George W. Bush had a least one book under their belt, and most had written several white papers during their education or early careers. Not so with President Bush," Dr. Lovenstein said. "He has no published works or writings, so in many ways that made it more difficult to arrive at an assessment. We had to rely more heavily on transcripts of his unscripted public speaking."
The Lovenstein Institute of Scranton, Pennsylvania, think-tank includes high-caliber historians, psychiatrists, sociologists, scientists in human behavior, and psychologists. Among their ranks are Dr. Werner R. Lovenstein, world-renowned sociologist, and Professor Patricia F. Dilliams, a world-respected psychiatrist.
This study was commissioned on February 13, 2001, and released on July 9, 2001, to subscribing member universities and organizations within the education community.
Comments: You'd think Americans would have grown weary of "Bush is an idiot" jokes by now, but the popularity of this forwarded email suggests otherwise.
It's obviously satire, though in a few cases it has been posted around the Net as factual and, strange as it seems, hotly debated.
I have found no evidence of a "Lovenstein Institute" in Scranton, Pennsylvania or anywhere else. There's no trace of a "Dr. Werner R. Lovenstein, world-renowned sociologist" or "Professor Patricia F. Dilliams, world-respected psychiatrist" — not in this world, at any rate. All of the facts and figures appear to have been fabricated. Some versions of the text claim it was published by the Associated Press, which is certainly not the case.
The apparent source of this work of fiction was www.linkydinky.com, which is home, appropriately enough, to a humor mailing list.
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Re: Here they are folks..IQ's of Presidents
« Reply #24 on: Sep 27th, 2005, 8:18am » |
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Shoot by those lets guess standards I would have a what 80 IQ instead of my actual 164. Boy lets be accurate and guess and say it must be true. 0 college except buisness math at university of Ill. Chicago. Trade schools, and Navy Schools. Ojt and self taught, mostly I guess I am a dummy.
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