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There was a story on the news yesterday. They found a man sitting out on his upstairs deck . The man was happy to be rescued, he went to reach in the door to get his two dogs. They told him his dogs could not go. He said well he would just stick it out, he wasn't leaving his dogs. Today they are removing people by force if they have to. I can't get this man and his dogs out of my mind.
Then I heard on TV that the Humane Society are putting the animals they rescued up for adoptions. They are not even going to try and find their owners. We have hundreds of people willing to foster these animals till the owners can be found. I guess if they foster animals they wouldn't make any money but if they adopt them out they will make a $100 or more a animal. Is everything about Money?
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Re: A man and his Dogs !
« Reply #1 on: Sep 7th, 2005, 11:31am » |
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on Sep 7th, 2005, 11:19am, LadyElaine wrote:There was a story on the news yesterday. They found a man sitting out on his upstairs deck . The man was happy to be rescued, he went to reach in the door to get his two dogs. They told him his dogs could not go. He said well he would just stick it out, he wasn't leaving his dogs. Today they are removing people by force if they have to. I can't get this man and his dogs out of my mind.
Then I heard on TV that the Humane Society are putting the animals they rescued up for adoptions. They are not even going to try and find their owners. We have hundreds of people willing to foster these animals till the owners can be found. I guess if they foster animals they wouldn't make any money but if they adopt them out they will make a $100 or more a animal. Is everything about Money?
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Re: A man and his Dogs !
« Reply #2 on: Sep 7th, 2005, 11:41am » |
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« Reply #3 on: Sep 7th, 2005, 11:52am » |
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My dog has proved his worth and loyalty time and time again. I wouldn't be able to leave hime behind.
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Re: A man and his Dogs !
« Reply #4 on: Sep 7th, 2005, 11:55am » |
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Lady E,
I've seen some tearjerker stories as well with regard to people and their pets. And as a multiple pet owner who absolutely loves his pets (I cried for days when my German Shepherd died last year), I am trying very hard to accept that pets, in some sad cases will have to perish. Sadly, for those pets, their owners made bad decisions that will cost them their lives.
I don't come to this easily but the people have to be number one. It's horrible and its sad, but there are rare occasions when the decision has to be made this way. I can barely watch the stories about the dogs and cats, it breaks my heart. And there are going to be plenty of horror stories regarding how people had to leave their dogs, and how found dogs weren't handled correctly. And it's all sad and horrible, but when in our lives have we ever seen anything like this in our country?
The Humane Society's and ASPCA's in this country do as good a job as they can do in a world where irresponsiblity reigns. Denigrating or twisting their processes in an unprecedented disaster of this scale isn't really where we want to go, is it?
I'm sure they are overwhelmed. But is it about the money? Do you really believe that? Is it worth trashing them for the hard work they are doing. i'm sure hundreds, if not thousands of pets will be euthanised "waiting" on owners to come back for them. Leave the mud in the yard on this one will ya?
This isn't a personal attack Elaine, there's just so much to take in on this tragedy.
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Re: A man and his Dogs !
« Reply #5 on: Sep 7th, 2005, 12:48pm » |
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I'd focus on getting my wife and children to safety first but then I'd carry Roxy out on my back if I had to, with Hoppy and Mitzy (my cats) clinging to her as I went.
If the water was too deep I'd find something to float and swim/walk out. But they would never get me to leave them behind. Screw their shelters and transportation if they exclude members of my family.
You have to remember that most of these folks have lost everything - forcing them to then lose their animals would be a massive blow to some of these folks and one that many may not be able to deal with at this time.
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I am not trashing them. Just like all Org they screw up and they are screwing up. Yes it is about the money. See I started a Human Society here. It wasn't about the money. We got a shelter and then it started being about the money. I know for a fact it was. I use to work there and when it became more about Money than the animals I quiet.
Humane Societys even vets do a lot for animals, that don't mke it right how they handle some things. I could tell you some things that would make you go bawled if you aren't already. I worked with animals all my life. I worked for a vet, I worked for the dog pound and I worked for the Humane Society.
I won't leave my dog cat over night with any vet. I would never want to see any of my pets in either the dog pound nor the humane society.
I don't beleive that these people that want to keep their animals with them are bad pet owners. The little boy that screamed snowball. He was a good owner.
People would have left their homes had there been a place to take their pets. There wasn't a place for them to take them. There never is.
I won't leave my animals. I promised them like I did my kids I would take care of them. I plan to.
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Re: A man and his Dogs !
« Reply #7 on: Sep 7th, 2005, 3:00pm » |
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Was watching CNN last nite and they had a blip on pet rescue, I was also trying to find the best organization for my work to donate to (for you that don't know I'm a Licensed Veterinary Technician).
Anyways, they did a blip on Petfinder.com, they are setting up a database to re unite pets with their owners. Looks like they are trying really hard, you can see the details here:
http://www.petfinder.com/disaster/
They also stressed the importance of having your pets have either tags on or microchipped incase of a disaster it will be easier to re unite you with your pet.
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Re: A man and his Dogs !
« Reply #8 on: Sep 7th, 2005, 3:37pm » |
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on Sep 7th, 2005, 1:58pm, LadyElaine wrote:| I am not trashing them. Just like all Org they screw up and they are screwing up. Yes it is about the money. |
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Well unless you can find a way to provide all the services they presently provide for free, and enlist volunteers at the level they do, it will have to be about money sometimes. As someone who has managed a non-profit organization, who has volunteered with my local humane society, as a pet owner, and so on, I do understand quite a bit. One, without money your organization will die and fail to provide any of the services it intends to, and two, there will be critics who think it is all about the nice things that an organization should be doing. In the end it HAS to be about the money even though some don't want to think about that.
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No its not nice all the time. Its really sad
You did not read my post. There are 100's of people wanting to foster these animals and find their owners.
Would not cost the Humane Society a dine. Point I was making is why not try and find the owners?
I am glad there are Orgs like petfinders looking for the owners. Our Humane Society is not! Believe me when I say donations are pouring in for these animals.
The whole damn thing is sad. This day and time there should be places that people and their dogs, cats, birds , rats what ever can go when something like this happens.
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Re: A man and his Dogs !
« Reply #10 on: Sep 7th, 2005, 10:09pm » |
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I'll have to admit I couldn't leave my pets either.....esp knowing they'd be.....sold starved or killed !? I've had a few run in's with our humane society and think money has become TOO important 'over' the pets well being and rite to live. Here they have restrictions on income to adopt a pet. They turned me away cuz I had adopted a dog for about 10 years that I didn't have spayed. It was bred when I got it so I couldn't have it fixed so I did not meet there required time limit to have that done and report back to them. They have had pets there the girls would not let go to people NEXT in line for adopting cuz they wanted someone else to get it so everytime you called they said they were giveing them more time ? All in all they do a service for pets........not knocking what they have started out to do. But money has become FIRST. Like selling a horse and wanting all your past amount back out of it for hay, grain and your time. Costs alot here to adopt......guess that way they weed out the riff raff which alot of times are the most devoted. Buying a friend Pam
Am NOT knocking humane society's.......some have some personal problems like ours did with the GIRLS that ran it and played GOD. Left a bad taste in my mouth.
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« Reply #11 on: Sep 7th, 2005, 11:39pm » |
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« Reply #12 on: Sep 8th, 2005, 1:50pm » |
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Quote: There was a story on the news yesterday. They found a man sitting out on his upstairs deck . The man was happy to be rescued, he went to reach in the door to get his two dogs. They told him his dogs could not go. He said well he would just stick it out, he wasn't leaving his dogs. Today they are removing people by force if they have to. I can't get this man and his dogs out of my mind.
Then I heard on TV that the Humane Society are putting the animals they rescued up for adoptions. They are not even going to try and find their owners. We have hundreds of people willing to foster these animals till the owners can be found. I guess if they foster animals they wouldn't make any money but if they adopt them out they will make a $100 or more a animal. Is everything about Money? |
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I am a bit late in this thread but some of the things said here arent totally correct - I have been reading and listen to the news alot about the pets... I think that people are forgetting what is being done or trying to be done and focusing on the negative.
First, one of my mom's customers (my mom is a dog groomer) was going, not sure if she left or not yet, to the gulf coast to rescue the animals. They had two horse rescues, one from Maryland and one from Pennsylvania also on their waiy to help. Noah's Wish which is an awesome rescue group designed just to rescue animals in these types of disaster areas, are also there as well as the SPCA and other groups. They are wading in the water, looking in so many houses for pets to rescue and then giving them medical attention, baths and feeding and housing them. They are an amazing group of people.
Secondly, every animal that they rescue, they are taking a picture of and trying as hard as they can to re-unite them witth their owners. They also have a contact by phone and message board so that owners can report what type of animal they have, where they are and so forth... every effort is being made to put pet owners and pets back together.
There are so many stories that are amaing - one lady was reunited with her four dogs, the guy with the miniature horses found his and one guy found his four horses. It is story after story of these people who have lost everything finding their pets..
That being said, I doubt that they are adopting these pets out unless the former owners have said that they cant take care of them anymore. There are many foster homes being offered and shelters for the pets being kept near places such as the astrodome so that owners can visit their pets. They are doing a great job, leave it to the news to belittle this. 
That is just my thoughts - Oh and to add one more thing - the people that are staying behind because of their pets, while I understand their dilemma, have other options. They do have people set up in that area ready to take those pets in... they wont be left their to die - yes some may die but many will be saved.
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Re: A man and his Dogs !
« Reply #13 on: Sep 8th, 2005, 2:16pm » |
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on Sep 8th, 2005, 1:50pm, Jill wrote:
I am a bit late in this thread but some of the things said here arent totally correct - I have been reading and listen to the news alot about the pets... I think that people are forgetting what is being done or trying to be done and focusing on the negative.
First, one of my mom's customers (my mom is a dog groomer) was going, not sure if she left or not yet, to the gulf coast to rescue the animals. They had two horse rescues, one from Maryland and one from Pennsylvania also on their waiy to help. Noah's Wish which is an awesome rescue group designed just to rescue animals in these types of disaster areas, are also there as well as the SPCA and other groups. They are wading in the water, looking in so many houses for pets to rescue and then giving them medical attention, baths and feeding and housing them. They are an amazing group of people.
Secondly, every animal that they rescue, they are taking a picture of and trying as hard as they can to re-unite them witth their owners. They also have a contact by phone and message board so that owners can report what type of animal they have, where they are and so forth... every effort is being made to put pet owners and pets back together.
There are so many stories that are amaing - one lady was reunited with her four dogs, the guy with the miniature horses found his and one guy found his four horses. It is story after story of these people who have lost everything finding their pets..
That being said, I doubt that they are adopting these pets out unless the former owners have said that they cant take care of them anymore. There are many foster homes being offered and shelters for the pets being kept near places such as the astrodome so that owners can visit their pets. They are doing a great job, leave it to the news to belittle this.
That is just my thoughts - Oh and to add one more thing - the people that are staying behind because of their pets, while I understand their dilemma, have other options. They do have people set up in that area ready to take those pets in... they wont be left their to die - yes some may die but many will be saved.
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Jill, you're not late. Your post is excellent and makes points in a far nicer way than I have. Will you write all my posts in the future?
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Re: A man and his Dogs !
« Reply #14 on: Sep 8th, 2005, 3:09pm » |
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Thanks Scott! It takes me forever to write my posts... I cant imagine writing for both of us.. my brain is fried now...
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I know what I saw on TV. I am sure glad you all work with good Humane Societys that are doing something.
BUT OURS IS NOT!!!!! tHEY STATED IT WAS IMPOSSIABLE TO FIND THE OWNERS! They will be put up for adoptions.
I am sure you both have watched every channel on every stations in every state and can call me a lier. I am sure you have read every news paper in the USA.
I do like ANIMALS better than HUMANS !!!
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Re: A man and his Dogs !
« Reply #16 on: Sep 8th, 2005, 6:19pm » |
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on Sep 8th, 2005, 6:01pm, LadyElaine wrote:
I do like ANIMALS better than HUMANS !!!
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« Reply #17 on: Sep 8th, 2005, 7:00pm » |
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I have a 12 year old cat that I pet and love everyday, if the time ever came that I had to give up that cat to fit one child in the boat I would put her down fast.
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« Reply #18 on: Sep 8th, 2005, 7:17pm » |
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I'm with you Lainey.....on both counts !!!! Pets for pals Pam >^..^<
I'd cling my cats to me with there claws like jewlry and then take on women and children.......harder to do with dogs so they'd just have to stay in a neat line around me. My birds got my head to perch on and my lizards got my pockets.
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« Reply #19 on: Sep 8th, 2005, 9:27pm » |
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It's most likely true that a particular humane society is not trying very hard to find owners. Fortunately, that does not seem to be the norm.
Even up here in the frozen tundra of central Minnesota, we are taking in dogs and cats - most of them in awful condition, and caring for them. Our humane society just took in over 300 animals and found a place to house them. All of the animals will be posted on petfinder.com and other sites.
I'm with you Elaine. You couldn't tear my dogs out of my arms. I'd help the people around me, but my dogs would be tied firmly to my body. Firmly.
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« Reply #20 on: Sep 9th, 2005, 8:00am » |
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on Sep 8th, 2005, 6:01pm, LadyElaine wrote:I know what I saw on TV. I am sure glad you all work with good Humane Societys that are doing something.
BUT OURS IS NOT!!!!! tHEY STATED IT WAS IMPOSSIABLE TO FIND THE OWNERS! They will be put up for adoptions.
I am sure you both have watched every channel on every stations in every state and can call me a lier. I am sure you have read every news paper in the USA.
I do like ANIMALS better than HUMANS !!!
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I am sorry if you took my post as an attack on you - that is not how it was meant at all. And I am not calling you a liar, there are just some things that need to be clarified..
Can you even imagine what the humane society or the SPCA or Noah's wish is trying to do right now? I know that both here and in Maryland, our shelters are always full and to add even more animals like those from the hurricane is a huge task. Then you add in finding their owners, they are doing the best that they can..
When and if they do find the owners, many cannot take them right now because they dont even have homes and I am sure that many of them are giving up ownership of their pets so that others can adopt them. They have temporary kennels near where the astrodome and other shelters so that owners can find and visit their pets.
I dont think that it is fair to say that the humane society is doing a bad job... or other organizations like Noah's Wish.. because they are doing such a great service and trying their best to save these pets. They are providing food, water, housing and medical attention and even baths with all of this being donated.
That being said, we need to try and look at the good things that are happening and not just focus on the negative or the stories that are sad. There have been so many happy endings from this disaster...
Just my thoughts..
Jill
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« Reply #21 on: Sep 9th, 2005, 10:13am » |
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I saw on the BBC news last night a man and his wheel chair bound son, refusing to leave because they would not take his 6 German Shepperd's. They offered to shot them for him but he refused the offer. He kept refusing rescue until they brought a boat big enough for him and his 6 dogs. They are helping the people with pets if the people are forcefully enough.
The army says they will not force people to leave because they don't take orders from the mayor, so I am assuming that a lot of people will get out with their pets.
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what becomes evident with each day that passes is that there is no way to have completely planned a response that would have guarded everyone and everything from this disaster. even more evident is the endless illustration of how dependent we have all become on a system to solve all of our problems. my "takeaway" from this is how important it is to develop and nourish greater levels of self-reliance in ourselves and others. the worst thing that could come out of all of this is a furtherance of the idea that someone is specifically responsible for the outcomes of situations. and that we can somehow plan our way out of natural disasters. death and destruction on this scale comes about naturally. our ancestors clung to the idea that these things occured and faith was a way dealing with the anxiety associated with their potential occurence. in the abscence of faith we're going to now likely choose to place our "faith" that government can protect us.
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« Reply #23 on: Sep 9th, 2005, 11:51am » |
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I am a FIRM believer 'if you live in harms way you NEED to have a plan of your own'.......liveing on the coast can be 'harms way'......or near valcano's or tornado prone areas or fault lines....or flood areas. Here it is the cold and being snowed in in this valley and stranded for days or weeks (which happen'd to us when we first moved here....trees and power lines down and no way in or out). I keep stocked up on animal supplies includeing meds.....I horde cans of food that keeps longer. I keep water in jugs under the sink (about 8 to 10 of them...we also have a creek along the property) and I even have kitten and puppy can'd and dry formula 'just in case' around for newborns and problems and no way to get out. With some I suppose the plan would be a 'get out ahead of time' plan with your animals. Have a trailer or two to load livestock and have an area to run to and stay if need be. (or use it for pets if you have ALOT and have kennel crates to stash in a trailer or truck) And stock up on feeds. You can buy hay in cubes I used to use cuz of lack of stroage. I wouldn't sit here and depend on someone from the city to get to me and feed me tho or my pets. Sum situations mite not get better as soon as you hoped....like snowed in or ice storms and trees down......so I would need to think about getting out while I fed my animals and myself and was tucked away for the nite. And if you live in a disaster area and have TOO many animals and live on the edge 'food and feed' wise goin day to day you have sumthin to worry about. I think we tend to build in dangerous areas cuz of the beauty.......90 % of the time or more it is NICE.....but the bad times roll in fast Pam
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« Reply #24 on: Sep 9th, 2005, 12:03pm » |
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Well.. in alot of cases all these people have left IS their pets. Whilst I know I'm an outsider looking in I do feel for them being asked to give up all they have left in the world.
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