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Sorry I have to ask the "race" question
« on: Sep 6th, 2005, 4:09pm » |
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I'm really not trying to cause controversy here, I genuinely want to know if the general belief in your country is that aid was slower as the majority of those affected were low income black Americans without friends in high places to put pressure.
We have legion covering of the catastrophe over here as well, and I have seen horrific scenes today including people who died AFTER they were supposedly rescued to communal "safe areas"
We have had historical accusations here that areas with high ethnic minority populations had been less well treated but the white majority here believe it has gone the other way now and more aid and money goes to ethnic minority "ghettoes".
I make no comment as I do not know, but am genuinely interested if this really is the case in your country.
Also I am personally very, very sad I never made it to NO before this happened, it was a future plan for a holiday, but never quite got there 
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Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest
« Reply #1 on: Sep 6th, 2005, 4:19pm » |
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No - I do not think that was the reason. I find it sad that it wasn't portrayed as the reason until the Black Caucus made a statement referencing that to be the reason. But that is one of the first things people will look to blame, or so it seems. 
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Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest
« Reply #2 on: Sep 6th, 2005, 4:21pm » |
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To put things into a better view, The equally poor White parrishes and Black parrishes are pretty much being ignored over the Metropolitan areas. To be honest they are not looking at color or at income. They are however looking at media appeal, in my opinion. Some of the smaller areas are being totally ignored due to the high impact high populous areas being covered first. There are areas not even checked by FEMA or other agencies as of yet. There are other areas only being helped by Canadian rescue workers Thank God they came. The priorities are high population to low ... Numbers dictate the need.
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Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest
« Reply #3 on: Sep 6th, 2005, 4:38pm » |
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I think the slowness of the help was caused by the lazy-ass bureaucrats in all levels of government. Their first instinct is to save themselves and cover their own failures. But, as we all know, bureaucrats are the same everywhere, just show up for work and suck up taxpayer money with the hope that nobody notices how incompetent they are.
I don’t know if getting aid to the minority population was race related or not. It may seem that way from what is shown on the news. Large crowds of minorities begging for help, but we must remember they were the poor(er) of all races and had no way to get out. The city of New Orleans completely failed these people. When the mayor issued a evacuation order why wasn’t EVERY bus, Greyhound, school bus, whatever, put in service free of charge, Why wasn’t EVERY train car in the city used to move people.
Simple......bureaucrats with the attitude “Fuck you! I have mine and leaving with it!”
I have seen reports of people dying in the “safe areas”. Seems most were the elderly, sick and feeble before they were evacuated and the stress and strain may have been too much for them.
A lot, if not most, of what may appear as a race thing is like ghost said, “media appeal” A few stranded white people doesn’t sell news like planting a race card does. Follow the money.
But, I just don’t know. I wasn’t there.
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Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest
« Reply #4 on: Sep 6th, 2005, 5:25pm » |
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Let me put it this way, if it is a race issue, they best look to their mayor (who is black), their representative who is 1/4 black) and on down the line
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Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest
« Reply #5 on: Sep 6th, 2005, 5:38pm » |
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First off this is honestly just my opinion but here goes.
When dealing with mother nature and the disasters she can throw our way the words quick and easy fix can't be used.Eventually yes this has to be looked into not to throw blame but to learn so that the lives being lost everyday are not someday repeated.I am a optimist so my hope and yes guess is that help is not being doled out by race.Rather it is getting to the people they can and yes sometimes(too many times recovery of those that couldn't get help.)It is an awful shame that so many people who may be able to help are having to wait in some areas until their secure from looters and mother natures obsticals.If I am wrong about that I'm sorry but so far thats my understanding.People are out their getting to areas where they can.theres a lot of area to cover and
a lot of physical obsticles.once again this is just my opinion from watching the news from a physical distance.Praying for all those who's lives have been effected and sometimes destroyed and those brave loving soles going in helping and taking in those left homeless.
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Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest
« Reply #6 on: Sep 6th, 2005, 5:46pm » |
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I would REALLY hate to think that race is an issue.......
But - people are making it into one.... even if it isn't.
the sick, elderly and poor were left behind. I think it's more of an INCOME issue than a RACE issue.
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Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest
« Reply #7 on: Sep 6th, 2005, 5:49pm » |
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on Sep 6th, 2005, 5:46pm, Woobie wrote:
I think it's more of an INCOME issue than a RACE issue.
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True. These are people with no power, and therefore, no priority on any politician's lists.
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« Reply #8 on: Sep 6th, 2005, 5:54pm » |
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Then don't ask it my dear. I judge a man or woman by their actions not their color. Many may find that hard to believe with my name. I just got back. I ain't happy, I am so fuckin' tired i can't move, think, or function in normal society.
The "race" or color that is the problem is:
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and it's nickname is "Tape"
The important thing to remember is the people affected in three states!
Then the thousands of people there busting their ass trying to get them out, move them, treat them.
I was in the Pete Maravich Assembly Center at LSU (now the largest Emergency Room ever in the history of the U.S.) for 2 days as assistant to the night command center director and over stockpile logistics there, then in the Stragetic National Stockpile Warehouse trying to get in medical supplies and get them out.
I saw the pain and suffering, the terrible agony of those locating a lost relative.
And I saw and felt what everyone there did. The workers that won't quit, wont rest, red eyed, slump shouldered but they never stop. Some fall out, some forcefully made to rest an hour or so then back again. Nuff of that ramble, I may be too tired to make sense
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Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest
« Reply #9 on: Sep 6th, 2005, 5:56pm » |
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The fact that anybody uses the race card to intimidate the media for thier own personal gain pisses me the fuck off. No I don't think it had anything to do with race, religion, political agenda, or sexual preference.
I hate the blame game.
JMHO.
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Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest
« Reply #10 on: Sep 6th, 2005, 6:56pm » |
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Ask the black mayor of New Orleans that ran out of town leaving his people!
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Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest
« Reply #11 on: Sep 6th, 2005, 7:09pm » |
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Ask Fats Domino how many he helped to leave when he helicoptered out.
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Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest
« Reply #12 on: Sep 6th, 2005, 7:11pm » |
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An absolute ditto to everything BobG said! Nuff said,
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Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest
« Reply #13 on: Sep 6th, 2005, 7:21pm » |
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No, it is impossible to completely factor out race, but that was not the reason response was so slow. On Wednesday, our fearless leader was still on vacation, posing with a country music singer and strumming a guitar at a concert. On Thursday, Condaleeza went shopping for shoes. Vice President Cheney was on vacation through the whole working week (although he really was working, wink, wink). They really were clueless, as were the incompetent cronies appointed to head FEMA.
Income is more of a factor - love this quote from Barbara Bush, referring to the refugees in the Astrodome
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Many of the so called middle class whites in the outlying parishes are still waiting for relief. Kinda blows the whole argument out of the water.
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Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest
« Reply #15 on: Sep 6th, 2005, 7:36pm » |
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on Sep 6th, 2005, 7:21pm, floridian wrote:| No, it is impossible to completely factor out race, but that was not the reason response was so slow. |
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And when the black mayor was high tailing it out of the city and the governer was crying on TV, niether one asked for the help they needed.
Bush cant walk in there, he has to be asked to help.....its in the constitution!
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on Sep 6th, 2005, 7:24pm, don wrote:| Many of the so called middle class whites in the outlying parishes are still waiting for relief. Kinda blows the whole argument out of the water. |
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All been New Orleans, many other areas have no help, no helicopers, no fucking fema, nothing. No Illnois, New Mexico, Kentucky, or countless state disaster medical assistance teams there. Calls coming in to help, nurses ,doctors, they all want to treat patients on the side fo I-10 where the fucking cameras are. They are on their own.
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Only racists like Al Sharpton turn it into a racist issue.
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on Sep 6th, 2005, 7:41pm, don wrote:| Only racists like Al Sharpton turn it into a racist issue. |
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And his mentor Farrakhan.
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Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest
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I think most of it is just total incompetence on the part of all the "so called" authorities -- they just dont have a clue what's going on or who's supposed to be in charge. Today all I've heard on the news is "We need a Rudy J to come in and take over!" At least no one had a doubt who was in charge when 9-11 happened. It was under "command" within a hour after it happened and no one questioned who the commander was. Here it is a week after the disaster and still no one has a clue who's in charge of what.
Last night some idiot (I think it was the head of Homeland Secutiry) referred to the "City of Louisiana" - smart guy - right on top of things!
Race - who knows -- income - definitely... Barbara Bush is right -- Texas needs some more people on welfare (hehe). How stupid was that remark!!!!
Look at the bright side... Elections aren't that far away - WE CAN CHANGE THINGS....
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Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest
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on Sep 6th, 2005, 7:41pm, don wrote:| Only racists like Al Sharpton turn it into a racist issue. |
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No, "Big Al" a racist?...please say it ain't so!
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Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest
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http://www.boingboing.net/2005/09/03/kanye_west_george_bu.html Kanye West thinks so.......that was pretty entertaining the other night.... I thought to myself....oh oh here we go.....
I don't think so..... I just think they were passing the buck..... and waiting for someone to take charge.... Washington ~~~ya gotta love them (NOT) our generation of politicians....cutting corners and ruining peoples lives daily.....sheesh..... ree
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Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest
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on Sep 6th, 2005, 7:52pm, BarbaraD wrote:I think most of it is just total incompetence on the part of all the "so called" authorities -- they just dont have a clue what's going on or who's supposed to be in charge. Today all I've heard on the news is "We need a Rudy J to come in and take over!" At least no one had a doubt who was in charge when 9-11 happened. It was under "command" within a hour after it happened and no one questioned who the commander was. Here it is a week after the disaster and still no one has a clue who's in charge of what.
Last night some idiot (I think it was the head of Homeland Secutiry) referred to the "City of Louisiana" - smart guy - right on top of things!
Race - who knows -- income - definitely... Barbara Bush is right -- Texas needs some more people on welfare (hehe). How stupid was that remark!!!!
Look at the bright side... Elections aren't that far away - WE CAN CHANGE THINGS....
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Your post may hold some water, but have you not ever misspoken? Geeze........he's supposed to be perfect?
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Re: Sorry I have to ask the "race" quest
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Quote:he's supposed to be perfect?
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If he's head of Homeland Security, in the middle of a National disaster, and he made that statement then lets just say he need not be perfect but a little brighter than stupid
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