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Hurricane changes view of the world???
« on: Sep 3rd, 2005, 7:28am » |
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Sorry to get philosophical and not to deny the real suffering here but:
I have a sense that somehow what has happened in the USA and here recently rocks my sense of the world and is deeply disturbing at a really fundamental level.
Only in these last 3 years have I felt that we (I mean USA and UK here) have always felt immune to the major suffering and risk to life that much of the world goes through.
BUT NOW!
You and we are attacked on our own soil by extremists, seemingly in a way we can't prevent or predict and we have no security that it won't happen again,and again.
Now you face a natural disaster that you are struggling to deal with when as a nation you had always seemed powerful and I hate to say it, historically invincible.
It feels as if the USA is joining the Third World in its inability to help its own people.
Am I overstating this? It is just how it feels at the moment.
It feels like the whole world order is shifting under my feet and I must be old or depressed or something because it feels terrifying.
I really don't mean to belittle the victims or helpers in any of this, it just feels that somehow the world has changed a little recently ,
Wendy
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Re: Hurricane changes view of the world
« Reply #1 on: Sep 3rd, 2005, 7:33am » |
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My wife and I were discussing this last night.
That is how we felt.
It appears that this could very well be our "Tsunami".....
The devestation that occured last yr. in Indonesia
I wish everyone a speedy return to life!
Hopefully a better one down the road.
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« Reply #2 on: Sep 3rd, 2005, 9:08am » |
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Right now....me and my family feel overwrought by the economy. We've always had our heads above water...but it seems lately that I need 6 weeks in a month just to pay for necessities. Working 40 hours just over the labor day weekend.
But with the hurricane...you have to remember...everyone felt that New Orleans dodged a bullet during the hurricane and only became a disaster when the levy's broke a day or so after. So they were kind of caught off guard.
As for the terrorists...it's hard to defend against someone or a group of someone's intent on killing themselves.
Hopefully all will be right with the world, again. But some things do seem to be spiraling out of control.
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« Reply #3 on: Sep 3rd, 2005, 9:41am » |
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Quote:| Now you face a natural disaster that you are struggling to deal with when as a nation you had always seemed powerful and I hate to say it, historically invincible. |
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Re: Hurricane changes view of the world???
« Reply #4 on: Sep 3rd, 2005, 9:46am » |
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on Sep 3rd, 2005, 7:28am, pubgirl wrote:It feels like the whole world order is shifting under my feet and I must be old or depressed or something because it feels terrifying.
I really don't mean to belittle the victims or helpers in any of this, it just feels that somehow the world has changed a little recently ,
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I don't think the world has changed Wendy.. I think its us.
I grew up in central London and I worked there during the height of the Christmas bombing campaigns during the 80's. I was there when the Chelsea Barracks nail bomb exploded and I was in Harrods when that was bombed too. All of these were terrifying situations but I have never in my life been as frightened as I was on either 9/11 or on the 7th and 20th of July this year. All of these events happend since I've been a parent. Jasper was actually 3 weeks old to the day on 9/11
I was in London with my husband and three kids on the 20th July and trying to get out of there was a nightmare. Every road we tried was being closed due to more bomb scares and it was like being rats in a trap. I was outwardly calm because of the kids but inwardly I was fighting hysteria that I still don't feel I've let go of.
I've thought long and hard about why the bombings have affected me so much more now than they did when I was younger and I think its because I'm a parent now and my goalposts have widened. No longer does what happen just affect me, I have the responsibility for my children and I want them to have a lovely world to grow up in.. not one full of horror and fear.
The same with the hurricane. Its every childs right to have a home with toys and their bed and their belongings all around them. We are reacting as mothers (and fathers!) here and it hurts thinking of all those little kids with the ground swiped from under them.
This particular hurricane in the US has hit me harder than any other than I have ever been aware of and I think its because this time people I know and have met (Jim and Carolyn and Jean) are THERE.. fighting to make sense of it all.
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Re: Hurricane changes view of the world???
« Reply #5 on: Sep 3rd, 2005, 3:23pm » |
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Pretty good insight kids.
From this old fart's window.....aside from the useless moron bureaucrats at "Homeland Security" and FEMA, a lot has to do with complacency. No fun to prepare for disasters like this.
The poor people stuck there are largely very poor, lots are sick, some not very trusting of authority....and historically, some for good reason. Lots of people had little choice and staying with their few possessions and family seemed the only intelligent thing to do. They had no bootstraps. It's easy for us to rant about this but like the poem says: (close anyway) the mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation. They aren't as loud as the gungho types. It has all the elements of a class war.
I guess to others in the world, Americans and Britons seem pretty obnoxious. We are certainly impatient. We aren't evil. Maybe it's just Britain and its being 23 miles from some of the continental wars, and us even luckier with the Atlantic between us have had the benefit of geography. Maybe that's ended and we are now within range of some pretty nasty characters. 
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Re: Hurricane changes view of the world???
« Reply #6 on: Sep 3rd, 2005, 10:15pm » |
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From where I am sitting too... I feel that the middle and low class people suffer terribly here in the US... We are under the power of a Rich man.... no rags to riches story there... he hasn't got a clue as to how the other side lives. He hasn't got a clue what it is like to not be able to drive to your friends house for an outing so that you can have gas to get to work. He hasn't got a clue what its like to have kids in harms way. Nothing touches him because he hasn't had any great tragic trials in his small circle of being. I don't think he dislikes the people of LA... but I do think its unexcusable and unacceptable how long it took to get to the victims.... Victims that didn't have to be victims... We knew it was a level 4-5 category storm. There should have been National Guard in place before the storm hit. I am just glad they now have a handle on things. Send $$ and prayers... they need them... love ree
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Re: Hurricane changes view of the world???
« Reply #7 on: Sep 4th, 2005, 1:09am » |
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on Sep 3rd, 2005, 10:15pm, Ree wrote:| There should have been National Guard in place before the storm hit. |
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Why?....so they could have died to?
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« Reply #8 on: Sep 4th, 2005, 1:50am » |
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Quote:| It feels like the whole world order is shifting under my feet and I must be old or depressed or something because it feels terrifying. |
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Feeling a deep sense of dread is natural when one finds oneself a stranger in a strange land. When I began to see the world it was as Camelot. The Kennedy years. A child can't conceive of the depth of evil...how it conspires. Johnson's "Great Society" would mean Teachers and Fireman would be among our highest paid occupations.
They started to kill the gods and then then came for us. Pairs of uniformed telegram soldiers woke us late at night and whispered that Satan was very near. They comforted us with a blanket of fear. The only way to keep what little "stuff" we have is to sacrifice a few of our children....and keep quiet....keep very ,very quiet.
Trust died. Their lies....their eyes!
Years passed.
I don my costume and in full character go to the hurricane evacuation shelters in my town as the storytelling Pirate Captain Trips....to read books to the children....to make them laugh...to fire their imagination...with love.
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Re: Hurricane changes view of the world???
« Reply #9 on: Sep 4th, 2005, 9:51am » |
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on Sep 4th, 2005, 1:50am, rumplestiltskin wrote:
I don my costume and in full character go to the hurricane evacuation shelters in my town as the storytelling Pirate Captain Trips....to read books to the children....to make them laugh...to fire their imagination...with love.
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Re: Hurricane changes view of the world???
« Reply #10 on: Sep 4th, 2005, 10:10am » |
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den, sometimes I wonder if we aren't twin children of different mothers...
Thanks for making the little ones smile...they need it.
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Re: Hurricane changes view of the world???
« Reply #11 on: Sep 4th, 2005, 11:20am » |
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I don't mean to thump my bible too loudly,
but you know,
He created the earth and he is still in charge.
He promised that for as longa s the sun rises,
it will shine on the wicked and the good.
It will rain on the rich and the poor.
Now just because the rich can buy umbrellas,
and build dams to divert the water to where they
wish....you know that's just their good luck.
He give the birds food, and they don't work.
He gives the flowers beautiful clothes,
and yet they fade in a day or so.
Lean on him, trust in Him,
he is the only source that isn't corrupted.
There will not be any peace,
until He says so.
Check in with him in a prayer or two, and you
will find out what his plans are, and where you
should be. We are after all, only his children,
and he will take care of us...if we listen to his advice.
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Re: Hurricane changes view of the world???
« Reply #12 on: Sep 4th, 2005, 2:18pm » |
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on Sep 3rd, 2005, 10:15pm, Ree wrote:| From where I am sitting too... I feel that the middle and low class people suffer terribly here in the US... We are under the power of a Rich man.... no rags to riches story there... he hasn't got a clue as to how the other side lives. He hasn't got a clue what it is like to not be able to drive to your friends house for an outing so that you can have gas to get to work. He hasn't got a clue what its like to have kids in harms way. Nothing touches him because he hasn't had any great tragic trials in his small circle of being. I don't think he dislikes the people of LA... but I do think its unexcusable and unacceptable how long it took to get to the victims.... Victims that didn't have to be victims... We knew it was a level 4-5 category storm. There should have been National Guard in place before the storm hit. I am just glad they now have a handle on things. Send $$ and prayers... they need them... love ree |
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I hear you . I was one of those living the American nightmare for ten long years. I know what it is like over and over to not have one dollar for days on end or the gas money to get from A to B or money for the bus, meds etc. I have begged for food. I have been on food stamps and I was working, the working poor raising 3 kids alone. Only faith in God got me through and I was delivered. I have everything restored to me that was lost. And I have lost all respect for Bush. He really does not know what time it is. As far as I am concerned he may as well put the Fuck you New Orleans bumper sticker on Air Force one. (Oh I am feeling the flames on this one). Shit half of the troops (which I support) are minorities and people whol came from the same background as the ones in LA and Miss.
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