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Bush and New Orleans
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New Orleans is a victim of Bush and the Iraq War:
- Bush chopped $71.2 million from the budget of the New Orleans Corps of Engineers levee projects, a 44% reduction; due to the Iraq war.
- Over a year ago, a study to determine ways to protect the region from a Category 5 hurricane was shelved due to the budget cuts.
- The Office of Technology Assessment used to produce forward thinking plans like "Floods: a National Policy Concern", and "A Framework for Flood Hazards Management". The office was targeted by Newt Gingrich and the Republican right and gutted years ago.
- About 35% of Louisiana's National Guard is now serving in Iraq.
- Dozens of the Louisiana National Guard's high-water vehicles, humvees, refuelers and generators have been sent abroad.
- The levees of New Orleans were also victims of Iraq War spending. Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, said on June 8, 2004, "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq."
Thu Sep 1st, 2005 at 10:28:22 PDT
"I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees."
GW Bush honestly said that. If that brings up more than a passing twinge of familiarity, being a more than remarkable restatement of Condi Rice's now-famous assertion to the Senate panel -- then I suppose we shouldn't be surprised.
But it does bring up something that we joke about often, but apparently have never taken quite seriously enough: our President is an idiot. I don't mean an average, run-of-the-mill idiot. I mean an idiot who apparently, for the entire duration of his presidency, literally was paying absolutely no attention to even the most life-threateningly critical tasks of government.
The administration specifically cut the funds to fix these specific levees, in order to specifically divert that Corps money to Iraq, despite urgent warnings and predictions of catastrophic disaster if the levees were breeched. The administration specifically cancelled the Clinton-backed flood control program to preserve and restore the wetlands between New Orleans and the gulf, instead specifically opening parts of that buffer zone for development.
Nobody anticipated this disaster? It was identified by FEMA as one of the top three likeliest major disasters to strike America. It has been a major disaster scenario for years. Everybody anticipated it, which makes this single statement by George W. Bush possibly the most dishonest, lying, craptacularly false thing he has ever said in his presidency -- even surpassing his now-infamous State of the Union Address. Truly, this is President Bush's blue-dress moment.
And yet, funneling the money into Iraq was more important. You better bet your crapulent, lying, one-track, drink-addled ass that's a political issue.
He also said today:
"I hope people don't play politics at this time of a natural disaster the likes of which this country has never seen."
Oh, I'm touched. Utterly touched. After 9/11, the entire Republican Party went en masse to get Twin Towers ass tattoos. The Republican convention was a wholesale tribute to crass exploitation, the sets themselves designed to evoke the aftermath of the attack. Every domestic and international policy this administration -- no, this entire Republican government -- has produced has been heaved up before the public while waving the spectre of 9/11 as the catch-all vindication of every administration whim. Every tax cut, every civil rights issue, every budget cut, every budget expansion, no matter how tortured the logic must be, has some Republican senator standing on the Senate floor and proudly raping the corpses of that day as justification for their particular agenda item.
Oh, we've seen politicization of disaster. Every Republican campaign for the last four years has revolved around the politicization of disaster.
But Lord help us, George W. Bush is going to get the vapors if anyone asks him to explain his administration's active cuts of the very programs designed to keep New Orleans safe.
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Re: Bush and New Orleans
« Reply #1 on: Sep 2nd, 2005, 8:11am » |
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Thanks BB. Here's an excerpt from an open letter to the President from Michael Moore (I know how much some of you love Mike...LOL... but I think he has some good points)
Dear Mr. Bush:
Any idea where all our helicopters are? It's Day 5 of Hurricane Katrina and thousands remain stranded in New Orleans and need to be airlifted. Where on earth could you have misplaced all our military choppers? Do you need help finding them? I once lost my car in a Sears parking lot. Man, was that a drag.
Also, any idea where all our national guard soldiers are? We could really use them right now for the type of thing they signed up to do like helping with national disasters. How come they weren't there to begin with?
Last Thursday I was in south Florida and sat outside while the eye of Hurricane Katrina passed over my head. It was only a Category 1 then but it was pretty nasty. Eleven people died and, as of today, there were still homes without power. That night the weatherman said this storm was on its way to New Orleans. That was Thursday! Did anybody tell you? I know you didn't want to interrupt your vacation and I know how you don't like to get bad news. Plus, you had fundraisers to go to and mothers of dead soldiers to ignore and smear. You sure showed her!
I especially like how, the day after the hurricane, instead of flying to Louisiana, you flew to San Diego to party with your business peeps. Don't let people criticize you for this -- after all, the hurricane was over and what the heck could you do, put your finger in the dike?
And don't listen to those who, in the coming days, will reveal how you specifically reduced the Army Corps of Engineers' budget for New Orleans this summer for the third year in a row. You just tell them that even if you hadn't cut the money to fix those levees, there weren't going to be any Army engineers to fix them anyway because you had a much more important construction job for them -- BUILDING DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ!
On Day 3, when you finally left your vacation home, I have to say I was moved by how you had your Air Force One pilot descend from the clouds as you flew over New Orleans so you could catch a quick look of the disaster. Hey, I know you couldn't stop and grab a bullhorn and stand on some rubble and act like a commander in chief. Been there done that.
There will be those who will try to politicize this tragedy and try to use it against you. Just have your people keep pointing that out. Respond to nothing. Even those pesky scientists who predicted this would happen because the water in the Gulf of Mexico is getting hotter and hotter making a storm like this inevitable. Ignore them and all their global warming Chicken Littles. There is nothing unusual about a hurricane that was so wide it would be like having one F-4 tornado that stretched from New York to Cleveland.
No, Mr. Bush, you just stay the course. It's not your fault that 30 percent of New Orleans lives in poverty or that tens of thousands had no transportation to get out of town. C'mon, they're black! I mean, it's not like this happened to Kennebunkport. Can you imagine leaving white people on their roofs for five days? Don't make me laugh! Race has nothing -- NOTHING -- to do with this!
You hang in there, Mr. Bush. Just try to find a few of our Army helicopters and send them there. Pretend the people of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast are near Tikrit.
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Re: Bush and New Orleans
« Reply #2 on: Sep 2nd, 2005, 9:34am » |
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If we could just drop Michael Moore's fat ass from about 2,000' onto the levy, we could solve several problems at once, but for the fact that "Save The Whales" would try to rescue him.
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Now that we have the opinion of "commie tree-hugging liberals" I'd like to see a reply from an upright Republican. BMonee, RevDeFord where are you?
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Re: Bush and New Orleans
« Reply #4 on: Sep 2nd, 2005, 10:00am » |
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on Sep 2nd, 2005, 9:44am, Ueli wrote:Now that we have the opinion of "commie tree-hugging liberals" I'd like to see a reply from an upright Republican. BMonee, RevDeFord where are you?
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Sadly Ueli, there is no reply that is a worthy defense. I have stated before that I am an avowed middle-of-the-roader and I can say that liberals drive me as crazy as right wing nutjobs do. As a response I'd say there is going to be more than enough blame to go around on this one. These are dark days for rational thought in our country but the result of disasters that roll out on this scale will be the shining light on who all missed the boat on this for the past 20, or even 50 years. Just as it is easy to glean highlights of decisions and policy by the present administration, the longer term historical view will reveal how leaders have failed and ignored these issues for so, so long. Now, we must all look at our communities and other communities that are at risk -- how will we actually build a plan that has a part B, and part C for these at risk areas? Certainly this one didn't have one.
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Re: Bush and New Orleans
« Reply #5 on: Sep 2nd, 2005, 10:27am » |
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on Sep 2nd, 2005, 8:11am, nani wrote:Thanks BB. Here's an excerpt from an open letter to the President from Michael Moore (I know how much some of you love Mike...LOL... but I think he has some good points)
Dear Mr. Bush:
Any idea where all our helicopters are? It's Day 5 of Hurricane Katrina and thousands remain stranded in New Orleans and need to be airlifted. Where on earth could you have misplaced all our military choppers? Do you need help finding them? I once lost my car in a Sears parking lot. Man, was that a drag.
Also, any idea where all our national guard soldiers are? We could really use them right now for the type of thing they signed up to do like helping with national disasters. How come they weren't there to begin with?
Last Thursday I was in south Florida and sat outside while the eye of Hurricane Katrina passed over my head. It was only a Category 1 then but it was pretty nasty. Eleven people died and, as of today, there were still homes without power. That night the weatherman said this storm was on its way to New Orleans. That was Thursday! Did anybody tell you? I know you didn't want to interrupt your vacation and I know how you don't like to get bad news. Plus, you had fundraisers to go to and mothers of dead soldiers to ignore and smear. You sure showed her!
I especially like how, the day after the hurricane, instead of flying to Louisiana, you flew to San Diego to party with your business peeps. Don't let people criticize you for this -- after all, the hurricane was over and what the heck could you do, put your finger in the dike?
And don't listen to those who, in the coming days, will reveal how you specifically reduced the Army Corps of Engineers' budget for New Orleans this summer for the third year in a row. You just tell them that even if you hadn't cut the money to fix those levees, there weren't going to be any Army engineers to fix them anyway because you had a much more important construction job for them -- BUILDING DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ!
On Day 3, when you finally left your vacation home, I have to say I was moved by how you had your Air Force One pilot descend from the clouds as you flew over New Orleans so you could catch a quick look of the disaster. Hey, I know you couldn't stop and grab a bullhorn and stand on some rubble and act like a commander in chief. Been there done that.
There will be those who will try to politicize this tragedy and try to use it against you. Just have your people keep pointing that out. Respond to nothing. Even those pesky scientists who predicted this would happen because the water in the Gulf of Mexico is getting hotter and hotter making a storm like this inevitable. Ignore them and all their global warming Chicken Littles. There is nothing unusual about a hurricane that was so wide it would be like having one F-4 tornado that stretched from New York to Cleveland.
No, Mr. Bush, you just stay the course. It's not your fault that 30 percent of New Orleans lives in poverty or that tens of thousands had no transportation to get out of town. C'mon, they're black! I mean, it's not like this happened to Kennebunkport. Can you imagine leaving white people on their roofs for five days? Don't make me laugh! Race has nothing -- NOTHING -- to do with this!
You hang in there, Mr. Bush. Just try to find a few of our Army helicopters and send them there. Pretend the people of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast are near Tikrit.
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100% agreement. Guess this makes me a bleeding heart liberal or whatever is politically correct this week (can't even keep up with the politicaleze these days - why bother, it changes hourly anyhow).
But when I see calls going out for American people to cough up MORE money (in addition to our tax dollars that are going to support the rest of the damn world) to support OUR OWN people in distress, it just makes me wonder where our DEMOCRACY is headed.
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Re: Bush and New Orleans
« Reply #6 on: Sep 2nd, 2005, 10:36am » |
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on Sep 2nd, 2005, 2:30am, BikerBob wrote:New Orleans is a victim of Bush and the Iraq War:
Now this will be fun.
- Bush chopped $71.2 million from the budget of the New Orleans Corps of Engineers levee projects, a 44% reduction; due to the Iraq war.
Project slated to start 2006.
- Over a year ago, a study to determine ways to protect the region from a Category 5 hurricane was shelved due to the budget cuts.
When exactly was the work to start to hurricane proof the country?
- The Office of Technology Assessment used to produce forward thinking plans like "Floods: a National Policy Concern", and "A Framework for Flood Hazards Management". The office was targeted by Newt Gingrich and the Republican right and gutted years ago.
Actually think hard about this ready? Tree hugging left had areas in question slated as wet lands and developement of the project was scrapped at that point.
- About 35% of Louisiana's National Guard is now serving in Iraq.
Leaving 65%
- Dozens of the Louisiana National Guard's high-water vehicles, humvees, refuelers and generators have been sent abroad.
Also leaving approx 65% of which a portion was damaged by Bushes hurricane. the rest are in use and /or being distributed.
- The levees of New Orleans were also victims of Iraq War spending. Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, said on June 8, 2004, "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq."
nice try rephrasing statement 3 for impact
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Re: Bush and New Orleans
« Reply #7 on: Sep 2nd, 2005, 10:43am » |
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on Sep 2nd, 2005, 2:30am, BikerBob wrote:
Thu Sep 1st, 2005 at 10:28:22 PDT
"I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees."
GW Bush honestly said that. If that brings up more than a passing twinge of familiarity, being a more than remarkable restatement of Condi Rice's now-famous assertion to the Senate panel -- then I suppose we shouldn't be surprised.
But it does bring up something that we joke about often, but apparently have never taken quite seriously enough: our President is an idiot. I don't mean an average, run-of-the-mill idiot. I mean an idiot who apparently, for the entire duration of his presidency, literally was paying absolutely no attention to even the most life-threateningly critical tasks of government.
The administration specifically cut the funds to fix these specific levees, in order to specifically divert that Corps money to Iraq, despite urgent warnings and predictions of catastrophic disaster if the levees were breeched. The administration specifically cancelled the Clinton-backed flood control program to preserve and restore the wetlands between New Orleans and the gulf, instead specifically opening parts of that buffer zone for development.
Nobody anticipated this disaster? It was identified by FEMA as one of the top three likeliest major disasters to strike America. It has been a major disaster scenario for years. Everybody anticipated it, which makes this single statement by George W. Bush possibly the most dishonest, lying, craptacularly false thing he has ever said in his presidency -- even surpassing his now-infamous State of the Union Address. Truly, this is President Bush's blue-dress moment.
And yet, funneling the money into Iraq was more important. You better bet your crapulent, lying, one-track, drink-addled ass that's a political issue.
He also said today:
"I hope people don't play politics at this time of a natural disaster the likes of which this country has never seen."
Oh, I'm touched. Utterly touched. After 9/11, the entire Republican Party went en masse to get Twin Towers ass tattoos. The Republican convention was a wholesale tribute to crass exploitation, the sets themselves designed to evoke the aftermath of the attack. Every domestic and international policy this administration -- no, this entire Republican government -- has produced has been heaved up before the public while waving the spectre of 9/11 as the catch-all vindication of every administration whim. Every tax cut, every civil rights issue, every budget cut, every budget expansion, no matter how tortured the logic must be, has some Republican senator standing on the Senate floor and proudly raping the corpses of that day as justification for their particular agenda item.
Oh, we've seen politicization of disaster. Every Republican campaign for the last four years has revolved around the politicization of disaster.
But Lord help us, George W. Bush is going to get the vapors if anyone asks him to explain his administration's active cuts of the very programs designed to keep New Orleans safe.
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Remember all of the natural disasters that happened prior to Bush taking office Flood of 93, Hugo, Andrew, and others such as tornadoes, earthquakes, landslides, fires. On average it took National guard units 1-2 weeks to get fully in place then too but the politicization of disaster was not an issue then because the people realized the prez could not have caused them. Enjoy your crusade to politiceze this disaster. And all the other ones bush created over the last 5-6 years. Give me a break !
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on Sep 2nd, 2005, 10:36am, ghost62 wrote:
Project slated to start 2006.
When exactly was the work to start to hurricane proof the country?
Actually think hard about this ready? Tree hugging left had areas in question slated as wet lands and developement of the project was scrapped at that point.
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Maybe one project was slated to start in 2006, but maintainence and ongoing projects were also cut. One company that had the contract kept doing some of the work free for a year because they thought it was kinda important.
Can't hurricane proof the country, but some protection can be put in place. A direct cat 5 hit with 25 foot storm surge would have topped any levees. A cat 4 hurricane that went to the east and had a 15 foot storm surge could have been blocked.
Some Corps projects were opposed by environmentalists over wetlands issues, but surely you aren't claiming that maintining and improving the levees around urbanized areas was blocked by tree huggers?? These levees were already in place, and doing maintainence and raising them did not involve significant wetland impacts.
Putting too many levees on the entire lower Mississippi river system will affect wetlands - sediments that would otherwise be deposited in floods and help maintain elevation are channeled into the Gulf of Mexico.
And the loss and degradation of coastal wetlands led to a greater storm surge and more impact.
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Re: Bush and New Orleans
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on Sep 2nd, 2005, 10:48am, don wrote:
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You mean the economy that has shown lower unemployment than the proir administration, and higher job growth? Oh wait and more home owners? and lets see to give bad credit where it is due higher gas prices too. Yep
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on Sep 2nd, 2005, 11:01am, floridian wrote:
Maybe one project was slated to start in 2006, but maintainence and ongoing projects were also cut. One company that had the contract kept doing some of the work free for a year because they thought it was kinda important.
Ill give you that. But there was still no way any of the improvements necessary could have been completed even with the funding because the first of them was not slated to complete till 2010.
Can't hurricane proof the country, but some protection can be put in place. A direct cat 5 hit with 25 foot storm surge would have topped any levees. A cat 4 hurricane that went to the east and had a 15 foot storm surge could have been blocked.
Again the planning for it would not even be done yet so why even discuss it?
Some Corps projects were opposed by environmentalists over wetlands issues, but surely you aren't claiming that maintining and improving the levees around urbanized areas was blocked by tree huggers?? These levees were already in place, and doing maintainence and raising them did not involve significant wetland impacts.
The raising and reenforcing them was actually a state issue and was slated to start approx 2008 not a federal project.
Putting too many levees on the entire lower Mississippi river system will affect wetlands - sediments that would otherwise be deposited in floods and help maintain elevation are channeled into the Gulf of Mexico.
And the loss and degradation of coastal wetlands led to a greater storm surge and more impact.
But that was the plan from the people trying to protect from flooding and Hurricanes. Maybe why it was scrapped?see this statement :"Can't hurricane proof the country, but some protection can be put in place. A direct cat 5 hit with 25 foot storm surge would have topped any levees. A cat 4 hurricane that went to the east and had a 15 foot storm surge could have been blocked. "
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Re: Bush and New Orleans
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Here ya go Ueli.
You people obviously don't know your ass from a hole in the ground!
Oh my! There's been a disaster! Shame on the President for first causing it and then not responding to it.
Tell it to the fucking idiots that are shooting at the cops and rescue choppers. Tell it to the NO cops that are doing their own looting. Can't send fire trucks in without an escort because they'll be shot at. Any one wonder why there are still people wandering around downtown NO. It's been 4 days since the place flooded. Could have walked a good 75 miles away from there by now.
Those people wandering around downtown don't want to be rescued. They are the looters. They want to keep the authorities out as long as possible so they haul their newly found big screen TV up to their apartment. That's why they shoot at the choppers, duh!
Yeah it's all Bush's fault. He should have gone straight to NO on Tuesday and saved all those people.
What a bunch of dumb shits!
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I like Micheal Moore's letter - it does hold truth to it. That doesnt mean I am a liberal, just confused on what is going on.
Did anyone else hear that two years ago they predicted what would happen if a category 3 hurricane hit New Orleans - they said that it would flood and made suggestions for precautions... no one listened and no one acted.. 
Alot of things have gone wrong with the response and the preparations for this but some of the responsibility has to fall on those that are there. Free will is a part of this - people decided to stay in their homes despite the fact that transportation was available to get them to the superdome. And people are shooting at the police and those that are trying to rescue them - I understand the panic but they are not making things any better... you know?
I have been waiting to here that racism was a part of this - didnt take too long for the news to ask that question.. sad..
Add - just read your post Bob - thank you! Some responsibility HAS to fall on these people... alot of responsibility - they are victims of a disaster but please, they can step up and help too.
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on Sep 2nd, 2005, 11:35am, Bob P wrote:Here ya go Ueli.
You people obviously don't know your ass from a hole in the ground!
Oh my! There's been a disaster! Shame on the President for first causing it and then not responding to it.
Tell it to the fucking idiots that are shooting at the cops and rescue choppers. Tell it to the NO cops that are doing their own looting. Can't send fire trucks in without an escort because they'll be shot at. Any one wonder why there are still people wandering around downtown NO. It's been 4 days since the place flooded. Could have walked a good 75 miles away from there by now.
Those people wandering around downtown don't want to be rescued. They are the looters. They want to keep the authorities out as long as possible so they haul their newly found big screen TV up to their apartment. That's why they shoot at the choppers, duh!
Yeah it's all Bush's fault. He should have gone straight to NO on Tuesday and saved all those people.
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on Sep 2nd, 2005, 11:40am, Jill wrote:I like Micheal Moore's letter - it does hold truth to it. That doesnt mean I am a liberal, just confused on what is going on.
Did anyone else hear that two years ago they predicted what would happen if a category 3 hurricane hit New Orleans - they said that it would flood and made suggestions for precautions... no one listened and no one acted..
Was also said clear back in 93 during flood and everyone worried about NO getting devistated then. yep and noone listened and nothing done so now I guess its Clintons fault? NO!
Alot of things have gone wrong with the response and the preparations for this but some of the responsibility has to fall on those that are there. Free will is a part of this - people decided to stay in their homes despite the fact that transportation was available to get them to the superdome. And people are shooting at the police and those that are trying to rescue them - I understand the panic but they are not making things any better... you know?
I have been waiting to here that racism was a part of this - didnt take too long for the news to ask that question.. sad..
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Jill you do make some good points But Michael Moores Letter is nothing more than Fire starter and needs to be treated as such. It is full of nothing but talking points and twisted to sound intelegent. The Guy is a useless piece of dog turd floating in what ever stream will carry it.
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on Sep 2nd, 2005, 11:46am, seasonalboomer wrote:If only all the answers were as simple as many would like to make them....
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Exactly Instead of all the IF-ING Lets get those folks some help and Quit If-ing and Blaming. Just get out there and do somethig even if it sending 1 freaking can of corn to the relief effort.
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Re: Bush and New Orleans
« Reply #18 on: Sep 2nd, 2005, 11:57am » |
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on Sep 2nd, 2005, 11:21am, ghost62 wrote:
You mean the economy that has shown lower unemployment than the proir administration, and higher job growth? |
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It must be nice living on your fantasy planet. Unemployment was 4.0% in June 2000. Where are we now? 4.9 percent, which is the lowest since August 2001.
Home ownership is one bright spot in the current economy, though that is going to level off and decline a bit given home prices/interest rates.
The rate of people living in poverty has also grown for four consecutive years. And although worker productivity is up, workers salaries are losing to inflation. But, hey, its not all bad ... corporate profits are at a record high and the top 5% did see a healthy boost in their incomes over the past year.
http://www.cbpp.org/9-25-01pov.htm
http://tinyurl.com/cugdj
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« Reply #19 on: Sep 2nd, 2005, 12:06pm » |
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I notice that table shows that the Republican Pres. (Nixon, Reagan, Bush) who follow a Democratic Pres. that has given away the store, have to make the hard economic decisions and clean up their predecessors mess.
Johnson can run up good looking numbers but then Nixon has to clean up his mess.
Carter runs up good numbers and Reagan has to clean up after him.
Clinton runs up numbers and Bush cleans up.
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« Reply #20 on: Sep 2nd, 2005, 12:12pm » |
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I likes fuzzy math ... Lib sites make what ever numbers they want ... go to government to get numbers and you might get a little closer ...
And where it says source recheck with them insteat of someones interpritations.
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« Reply #21 on: Sep 2nd, 2005, 12:30pm » |
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on Sep 2nd, 2005, 12:12pm, ghost62 wrote:I likes fuzzy math ... Lib sites make what ever numbers they want ... go to government to get numbers and you might get a little closer ...
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OK, fantasy man, check out the official govt. statistics, like the bureau of labor statistics, which was cited as the source in the graph and the articles I mentioned:
http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat1.pdf
Hmm ... 2000, unemployment = 4.0%. Then 4.7%, 5.8%, 6.0%, 5.5% (and now 5.0%). Yeah, Bush has Clinton beat, but only in your bizzaro universe, where facts don't matter.
Democrats giving away the store and Republicans cleaning up after them? Sorry, if you look at the deficit figures, Regan and Bush are the ones that looted the treasury. It may have had a mild stimulating effect on the economy, but it the long run, it is pernicious.
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« Reply #22 on: Sep 2nd, 2005, 1:13pm » |
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Yeah, bush is certainly cleaning out all those pesky, above average paying jobs that clinton helped to create.
Over the 8 years Clinton was pres, the average family household income went up $7600. Under Bush Jr, average wages are currently up about $1000.
In 1995, clinton directed loads of money to help N.O. with their levee system. After several years, Bush jr got in and decided its more important to save the iraqis from tyranny then save the Gulf Coast hurrican infrastructure.
And ya gotta love these fucking brain dead neocons that have been brainwashed into thinking the employment situation is terrific. The number of people working has gone up by about 1.5 to 2 million since bush took office. The 'of age' population has increased by 10 million. Everyone knows that the US economy needs to make about 150k new jobs each MONTH just to keep pace with average population growth. So, if the economy was creating 150k each month, the unemployment % should remain the same. But, these idiots that listen to Druggie Limbaugh think that by creating 1.5 million jobs in 5 years is doing terrific.
Its what i keep saying: the dumbing down of america.
And, hey, another factoid that bush is touting and proud of....... like 95% of all years, home-ownership is up at an all time high. However, home EQUITY is at an all time low. And also, Personal savings rates have been at 0% for over 4 years now.........i guess they round down. But now, the last 12 months, (or maybe 2004), the personal savings rates hit a record low, closer to 0% than ever before. The lowest personal savings rate since they started keeping that data.
Personal savings at 0%, home equity dropping like a stone, and personal debt is high. That is the ownership society?
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« Reply #23 on: Sep 2nd, 2005, 1:15pm » |
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Quote:| Jill you do make some good points But Michael Moores Letter is nothing more than Fire starter and needs to be treated as such. It is full of nothing but talking points and twisted to sound intelegent. The Guy is a useless piece of dog turd floating in what ever stream will carry it. |
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I see that, it is a fire starter and is written to make people mad - I, personally, think that people do need to get mad at all of this as that is the only way to learn and correct our mistakes. I dont mean mad like the people in New Orleans or Mississippi who are killing each other and shooting at police officers, that is pointless. I mean the mad where we take that anger and do something productive with it, make sense?
This is something that as tragic as it is, we need to learn from it... after we save those that need to be saved. And it is not just the government that has to learn, it is also the individuals there and elsewhere. We need to learn what is important in our lives, that fighting doesnt really get us too far in these situations and we need to learn compassion - and I mean compassion from the point of those that are stranded to those that are cops.. working together instead of fighting...
Most important, we need to learn what went wrong and, in the future, correct this.. People need to start taking responsibility for their actions, now and before this happened..
I do, speaking on compassion, want to say that I do find it remarkable how the US can pull together in the wake of this disaster and unite to help those that need it. And even other countries, who have donated alot of money and even troops (look at Sri Lanka and Australia for example). It is a real shame, and this was said at 9/11, that people dont have this kind of commadery (spelling?) all of the time..
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« Reply #24 on: Sep 2nd, 2005, 1:23pm » |
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1990 Total employed 118,793 Total unemployed 7,047
1991 Total employed 117,718 Total unemployed 8,628
1992 Total employed 118,492 Total unemployed 9,613
1993 Total employed 120,259 Total unemployed 8,940
1994 Total employed 123,060 Total unemployed 7,996
1995 Total employed 124,900 Total unemployed 7,404
1996 Total employed 126,708 Total unemployed 7,236
1997 Total employed 129,558 Total unemployed 6,739
1998 Total employed 131,463 Total unemployed 6,210
1999 Total employed 133,488 Total unemployed 5,880
2000 Total employed 136,891 Total unemployed 5,692
2001 Total employed 136,933 Total unemployed 6,801
Post 9/11
2002 Total employed 136,485 Total unemployed 8,378
2003 Total employed 137,736 Total unemployed 8,774
2004 Total employed 139,252 Total unemployed 8,149
Here take a look at the real numbers ok Percentages are nice but look at real numbers More Americans Working than ever. But wait not more unemployed though.
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