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TheMasterBaker
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Officer Says Military Blocked Sharing of Files on Terrorists
WASHINGTON, Aug. 16 - A military intelligence team repeatedly contacted the F.B.I. in 2000 to warn about the existence of an American-based terrorist cell that included the ringleader of the Sept. 11 attacks, according to a veteran Army intelligence officer who said he had now decided to risk his career by discussing the information publicly.
The officer, Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, said military lawyers later blocked the team from sharing any of its information with the bureau....
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Re: We knew...
« Reply #1 on: Aug 17th, 2005, 9:19am » |
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Yes and if the executive branch of our government had been getting people in position after the election to handle this stuff instead of going through a pointless court battle over hanging chads, perhaps something could have been done.
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Re: We knew...
« Reply #2 on: Aug 17th, 2005, 9:19am » |
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Shamefull. But we already knew it.
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Re: We knew...
« Reply #3 on: Aug 17th, 2005, 9:23am » |
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Isn't the first time we were swept into a war because intelligence was withheld. It's good to get the people all fired up by some unprovoked attack to justify the retaliation that follows.
GOD help us...... is right,
But.... God watch over our troops, bring them home safely and protect the next generation of men and women from war....... is also appropriate.
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Re: We knew...
« Reply #4 on: Aug 17th, 2005, 9:30am » |
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And if you look at the date of the turn over it was prior to bubba leaving office, but I guess he had important things to do like removing all the W's from all the white house computers. and telling his appointees to hang on to there positions till forced to leave, instead of transitioning properly to the new apointee. The he also had to pardon convicted drug dealers and murders. Ok 1 murderer. That is as you said though a shame. I just hope that we will learn from those events and allow the different departments to share info, its better but still not good enough.
Sorry just had to vent. Thanks for listening.
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Quote:| Yes and if the executive branch of our government had been getting people in position after the election to handle this stuff instead of going through a pointless court battle over hanging chads, perhaps something could have been done. |
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After 9/11, an FBI translator testified to Congress that thousands of hours of wiretaps were not being translated. As a reward, she was fired by the FBI. It's now 2005, and the problem is no where close to being solved. It seems most Americans have put the 2000 election behind them, except for people making excuses for the Bush administration. And what about the right-sizing downsizing of the unit whose job is to trace the terrorist's money??
Quote:| And if you look at the date of the turn over it was prior to bubba leaving office, but I guess he had important things to do like removing all the W's from all the white house computers. and telling his appointees to hang on to there positions till forced to leave, instead of transitioning properly to the new apointee. |
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When I lived in South Carolina, a favorite saying was "Thank God for Mississippi!" Carolina was second to bottom on so many lists (infant mortality, high school drop-outs, etc). I guess Clinton is like Mississippi - his mistakes can be invoked to deflect accountability for anything the current bozos do.
Quote: The officer, Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, said military lawyers later blocked the team from sharing any of its information with the bureau....
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Yes, the military lawyers (not Bubba) made a decision to enforce the laws that were in effect at that time. The Posse Comitatus Act was passed due to resentment in the southern states over their military occupation after the Civil War. This act established separation between the domestic law enforcement agencies and the military.
Over a century of the Posse Comitatus Act led to a body of law that the military lawyers enforced properly. They thought that this Atta character was shady and might be up to something criminal, but they had no idea what, and they were prohibited from passing their files to other agencies. The prohibitions of the Posse Comitatus Act were changed with the Patriot Act, which now allows the military to coordinate activities with civilian law enforcement if they think it is a matter of terrorism. The Patriot Act was passed in spite of the fact that the 'W's were removed from the White House typewriters, but not until after Congress was stampeded by the events of 9/11.
So you can blame Bubba, or you can blame the plantation owners who should have picked their own damn cotton. Bill Clinton is a convienent a whipping boy for those who can't handle the truth.
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Re: We knew...
« Reply #6 on: Aug 17th, 2005, 12:16pm » |
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Re: We knew...
« Reply #7 on: Aug 17th, 2005, 12:25pm » |
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As usual, excellent post Flo' 
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Re: We knew...
« Reply #8 on: Aug 17th, 2005, 12:28pm » |
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on Aug 17th, 2005, 12:05pm, floridian wrote:
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No, I still hear about the "stolen election" and "It's sad the every vote didn't count". To this day. But if memory serves me right there was one party in that election that did everything they could to keep military absentee votes from being counted. We support the troops, my ass. Flo, you know I love you and appreciate all that you do, it can't be helped that we will always disagree on this stuff.
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Re: We knew...
« Reply #9 on: Aug 17th, 2005, 12:56pm » |
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on Aug 17th, 2005, 12:05pm, floridian wrote:
After 9/11, an FBI translator testified to Congress that thousands of hours of wiretaps were not being translated. As a reward, she was fired by the FBI. It's now 2005, and the problem is no where close to being solved. It seems most Americans have put the 2000 election behind them, except for people making excuses for the Bush administration. And what about the right-sizing downsizing of the unit whose job is to trace the terrorist's money??
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Actually she was fired for testifying to the news media.
But have to agree not nearly enough being done still and way to slowly.
Quote:| I guess Clinton is like Mississippi - his mistakes can be invoked to deflect accountability for anything the current bozos do. |
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Actually the clinton network news and other lib Rags have (relatively sucessfully I should say) attempet to forget what he did and did not do and act as though alot of the events like this memo are new but was actually released prior to 2000.
Quote:| No, I still hear about the "stolen election" and "It's sad the every vote didn't count". To this day. But if memory serves me right there was one party in that election that did everything they could to keep military absentee votes from being counted. We support the troops, my ass. Flo, you know I love you and appreciate all that you do, it can't be helped that we will always disagree on this stuff. |
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Got to agree the only whinning I ever hear about the 2000 election is from the libs and then they try to act as if everyone else is upset to make them selves feel better.
There are so many examples of this I have posted in the past I could be here all week reposting. Do love ya bro but we will dissagree on this I guess
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on Aug 17th, 2005, 12:28pm, thomas wrote:
But if memory serves me right there was one party in that election that did everything they could to keep military absentee votes from being counted. |
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Yes, there were people who said the intent of the voter didn't matter - rules are rules, and if the ballot wasn't cast in the proper way, by the deadline, not a clean punch, etc., then it shouldn't be counted. Some of the partisans wanted to zap military ballots that did not meet every requirement on the theory that the military vote would be more Republican, other partisans wanted to zap Miami ballots that were not perfect on the theory that a poorer, more Hispanic populace would be more likely to vote Democratic. Both sides were craven.
My favorite is Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell - he rejected thousands of applications to register voters because the paper was not of the weight specified by the law. But he only rejected applications printed by dem/left/minority groups, and the forms distributed by his own office did not meet the paper weight requirements.
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Re: We knew...
« Reply #11 on: Aug 17th, 2005, 1:14pm » |
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Now that part about ohio is correct ... Finially someone brought that up was waiting for it. On that I will agree he did try. almost succeded too, but All the actual votes did get counted and the duplicate ones and dead poeple votes got tossed
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Re: We knew...
« Reply #12 on: Aug 17th, 2005, 1:17pm » |
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I've pretty much decided that anyone who makes a career of (what is supposed to be) public service is either a dicksplat, swizzlenuts or dimple dick.
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Re: We knew...
« Reply #13 on: Aug 17th, 2005, 1:21pm » |
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or self-serving-scum-suckin-bottom-feedin-pond-life maybe Nani?
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Re: We knew...
« Reply #14 on: Aug 17th, 2005, 1:23pm » |
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on Aug 17th, 2005, 1:21pm, LeLimey wrote:| or self-serving-scum-suckin-bottom-feedin-pond-life maybe Nani? |
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Yeah...that, too!
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Re: We knew...
« Reply #15 on: Aug 17th, 2005, 1:24pm » |
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on Aug 17th, 2005, 1:17pm, nani wrote:| I've pretty much decided that anyone who makes a career of (what is supposed to be) public service is either a dicksplat, swizzlenuts or dimple dick. |
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Re: We knew...
« Reply #16 on: Aug 17th, 2005, 1:31pm » |
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And the profession is so appropately named
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on Aug 17th, 2005, 1:17pm, nani wrote:| I've pretty much decided that anyone who makes a career of (what is supposed to be) public service is either a dicksplat, swizzlenuts or dimple dick. |
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Nani, can I quote you on this and put it in my siggy?
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Re: We knew...
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On the subject of the 2000 election, why cant someone get the facts about the vote numbers. Fox news says that Bush won under all instances of how they were counted, Air America says that Gore won no matter how you count them.
On an issue like this, where we arent talking about opinions, howcome we cant just get a straight freaking answer? These are numbers, there is no opinion. Its kind of like binary code with no wiggle room, you either count the vote for Gore, or you count it for Bush. they are absolute values.
Howcome we still cant get a straight answer on the election from almost 5 years ago? Everything is spun and re-spun and deflected so eventually people stop asking.
Just the facts would be nice
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Re: We knew...
« Reply #19 on: Aug 17th, 2005, 2:00pm » |
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on Aug 17th, 2005, 1:52pm, Melissa wrote:
Nani, can I quote you on this and put it in my siggy?
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LOL...I can't take credit for those, Mel. I got them off another thread. Dicksplat is Helen's and Swizzlenuts and dimpledick are giffy's.
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Re: We knew...
« Reply #20 on: Aug 17th, 2005, 2:03pm » |
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Use whatever you like of mine anytime I say it Mel! I've never been quoted except in a court of law!!
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The funny thing is that every one hates politicians, but people keep re-electing their incumbent ... Washington is filled with crooks, but most believe that the sons and daughters that their own district sends to the hill are the exceptions to the rule.
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Re: We knew...
« Reply #22 on: Aug 17th, 2005, 2:14pm » |
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on Aug 17th, 2005, 2:04pm, floridian wrote:| The funny thing is that every one hates politicians, but people keep re-electing their incumbent ... Washington is filled with crooks, but most believe that the sons and daughters that their own district sends to the hill are the exceptions to the rule. |
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I haven't met many that would regard their rep's as "sons and daughters", I tend to lean toward thinking of them as "muthers" and "bastards" myself.
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Re: We knew...
« Reply #23 on: Aug 17th, 2005, 2:42pm » |
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disappointing.... 
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TY LeLimey, Nani & Giffy!
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