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Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
« on: Jul 29th, 2005, 9:37am » |
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I hope these boards don't turn anyone away who is suffering CH. I would not wish this on my worst enemy (OK maybe Osama Bin Laden). If we could turn CH into a weapon it would be deadlier than a nuclear bomb.
I hear my fellow countrymen wanting their borders protected and certainly immigrations laws should be followed, but I hope no Muslim sufferer turns away from these boards beacuse of misunderstandings.
I had many interesting talks with Muslims. A few years back my daughter was in the hospital with asthma and pneumonia. OUr roomate was from Jordan and very devout Muslims. The mother covered her head and they would close the curtain to pray. At night we would talk as all mothers do. The woman would take her hijab (headdress) off to show off some lovely hair. I asked would I have the right to wear my hair or fashion in her country or pray in a hospital room. Sadly she shook her head no. I found that very telling.
You know suffering is part of the human condition. We both found that even though we had very different backgrounds , that our concerns for our sick children were exactly the same and we cried the same tears...
People are so very different yet basically so alike. Sad sometimes huh???
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Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
« Reply #1 on: Jul 29th, 2005, 9:46am » |
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Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
« Reply #2 on: Jul 29th, 2005, 9:59am » |
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Quote:beacuse of misunderstandings.
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And the mis-understanding is what?
Did you know your Muslim friends tried to purchase large amount of Cocaine from the Cali Cartel ? The cartel wouldn't deal with them. They were going to poison it before distribution.
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Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
« Reply #3 on: Jul 29th, 2005, 10:04am » |
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Her Muslim friends? Gimme a break, don. 
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Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
« Reply #4 on: Jul 29th, 2005, 10:04am » |
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Thank you rickyshot, I will agree with what you have posted. We as a group do not hate Muslims, and/orother cultures as a whole. Most of us because of the events throughout the world though are more cautious. We dont want all Muslims removed from the country nor all Mexicans either. We do however want to stop illegal immigration which brings with it an increased risk of terror activities. It will not however eliminate it fully, but we just want to increase our chances of survival. Anyone and everyone who is a CH sufferer or supporter is more than welcomed here as I am sure all of us would agree. Some times we do like to blow off steam and say some things that where not very well said, but most of the time it is good natured ribbing. There are times however we do argue like any family but we try not to hold a grudge. We as a CH family cherish the time here and with each other and hope we dont offend anyone during this time, but things do happen and being people we do make mistakes. And to all my CH family who read this I would like to say THANK YOU ALL!!! I LOVE EVERY ONE OF YOU, even when I don't agree with you. And to the CH BABES  
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Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
« Reply #5 on: Jul 29th, 2005, 10:05am » |
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Well, I didn't mean it that way.
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Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
« Reply #6 on: Jul 29th, 2005, 10:32am » |
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In my view CH transcends financial, religious, political, and ideological differences.
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Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
« Reply #7 on: Jul 29th, 2005, 10:36am » |
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EXACTLY, Matt! Why single out any group? Cluster headaches don't.
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Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
« Reply #8 on: Jul 29th, 2005, 10:50am » |
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MY muslim friends? Don honey. Although I am patriotic to the hilt please read between the lines. I am NOT for their governments and their clerics who are doing nothing to resolve the situation. I am saying CH hurts a Muslim head the same way it hurts mine. And I do agree with protecting our land and borders. I am sure I made that one clear. And I am the first one to admit that I have certain feelings about groups of people like everyone else has. But the more we talk to people the more we find the similarity of the human condition and I hope that I don't lose that ability. I don't want to get to a state where I want genocide on a group of people even if they want mine. I do not want to get to a state where I can understand that kind of mentality. But of course it is out there and we have to defend ourselves if necessary.
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« Reply #9 on: Jul 29th, 2005, 11:32am » |
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Rickyshot,
I wasn't trying to criticize you.
Its just that my tolerance for Muslims and the Islamic movement has dropped to near zero. I no longer trust anyone affiliated. As I said in another post. They brought this prejudiced attitude on themselves. Let them pay the consequences.
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Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
« Reply #10 on: Jul 29th, 2005, 11:43am » |
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You know, I'm one of the most tolerant people in the world, but I certainly understand where Don's coming from, too.
I don't want to fucking hear about the "religion of peace" anymore. If moderate Muslims want peace, then they need to be the ones in the streets protesting the violence, they need to be the ones giving up the radicals in their midst, they need to be the ones running the violent, firebrand mullahs out of the mosques. Until they start doing something more than paying lip service to it, I have no time, no patience, and very thin tolerance for Muslims.
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« Reply #11 on: Jul 29th, 2005, 12:17pm » |
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I ask you this:
What worldly good has the Islamic faith ever done for anyone but themselves?
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« Reply #12 on: Jul 29th, 2005, 12:32pm » |
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Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
« Reply #13 on: Jul 29th, 2005, 12:32pm » |
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on Jul 29th, 2005, 11:43am, Frank_W wrote:
I don't want to fucking hear about the "religion of peace" anymore. If moderate Muslims want peace, then they need to be the ones in the streets protesting the violence, they need to be the ones giving up the radicals in their midst, they need to be the ones running the violent, firebrand mullahs out of the mosques. Until they start doing something more than paying lip service to it, I have no time, no patience, and very thin tolerance for Muslims. |
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Right on Frank...
and SOME of them are starting to do that.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/07/28/american.muslims.ap/index.html
we'll see in time if it's sincere or just CYA lip-service
Don't forget, we still have our own nutjob Randall Terry roaming free. His own kind call him a "warrior for Christ"
Ready to send others to kill to protect HIS religious views.
Says Randall:
"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good... Our goal is a Christian nation. ... We have a biblical duty, we are called by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism. ... Theocracy means God rules. I've got a hot flash. God rules."
I don't think CHrist wanted 'warriors'.
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Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
« Reply #14 on: Jul 29th, 2005, 12:52pm » |
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Sickos and extremists in every religion, it seems... How sad that some people can be so terribly misguided.  
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Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
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This is an interesting thread.
As one that has often called for the closing/policing of borders to stop illegals from entering this country and deportation of illegals - "regardless of their national origin". I want to be clear.
It do not support profiling for any reason. I fully believe that laws are broken to be deemed an illegal imigrant. I fully believe enforcement of existing imigration laws is necessary for the safty of taxpaying citizens and national security.
I have never called for the deportation of, or stopping of anyone legally imigrating to this country. Legal imigrants into this country should not be turned away because of their national origin or religious beliefs.
Rickyshot's message is a good one, and I hope anyone that needs help is not turned away.
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« Reply #16 on: Jul 29th, 2005, 1:34pm » |
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on Jul 29th, 2005, 11:32am, don wrote:
As I said in another post. They brought this prejudiced attitude on themselves. Let them pay the consequences. |
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Yes, and it is unfortunate that people with black skin still get pulled over by the police when they decide to shop in an upscale mall, or can't seem to rent in a neighborhood that is too white. But by your reasoning, they brought this prejudiced attitude on themselves as each and every one of them is responsible for the fact that violent crime is epidemic in the ghetto. Its only natural that the public is afraid of blacks, and discriminates against them unless it can be determined that one is a 'good' black.
Your comments on Islam demonstrate that you are unable distinguish between an individual and a larger community that they belong to; you are ascribing the worst characteristic of some members of a group to every member of the group.
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Frank,
You obviously slept through the Algerian Civil war and the last 40 years of Egyptian history.
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Hdido,
the concept of zero was invented in India by Hindus. The magnetic compass originated in China during the Han dynasty. You should apologize to Helen.
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Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
« Reply #17 on: Jul 29th, 2005, 3:22pm » |
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on Jul 29th, 2005, 1:02pm, burnt-toast wrote:This is an interesting thread.
As one that has often called for the closing/policing of borders to stop illegals from entering this country and deportation of illegals - "regardless of their national origin". I want to be clear.
It do not support profiling for any reason. I fully believe that laws are broken to be deemed an illegal imigrant. I fully believe enforcement of existing imigration laws is necessary for the safty of taxpaying citizens and national security.
I have never called for the deportation of, or stopping of anyone legally imigrating to this country. Legal imigrants into this country should not be turned away because of their national origin or religious beliefs.
Rickyshot's message is a good one, and I hope anyone that needs help is not turned away.
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I agree with Tom. Be carefull not to Hitlerize your opinions just because you are scared and afraid of what happened in your country and in Brittain. You are a superpower, you can make or break the WORLD by your actions.
As ordinary American citizens, with no fighting in your own country, besides your troops fighting in other countries(they should know), have not seen an eighth of the bloodshed we live with in our countries. Innocents, like the mothers and children, that have no rights(especially in Muslim society) suffer the most. Mozambique has been through a devastating 10 year war. The evidence we are faced with everyday, we still have to content with hidden landmines, so we and our families are never safe even now that the war is over.
Most wars are about power, fear, religious and/or cultural issues and it is mostly men driving wars. You have all the rights in the world, so cherish them, don't missuse them. I only got voting rights ten years ago. I am not Christain or Muslim. I am a mother. I want to protect my children. I do not agree with Muslim or any religious fanatasism. I live in countries where we are constantly in fear, have high walls, with barb wire, security systems, security guards and corrupt police. Still we cannot condemn individuals because of all the violence we encounter and we've had a lot of that.
Life is not worth living if fear is you only thought. Radicals always cause mass destruction when they act on fear alone.
Not to offend, just my personal opinion and experience. 
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Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
« Reply #18 on: Jul 29th, 2005, 4:16pm » |
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Thank you Jas, that makes the most sense to me from all I've read
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« Reply #19 on: Jul 29th, 2005, 4:20pm » |
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I think it was best said by vig. Every religion has it's own nutjob radical fuckers. Just cause a person wears a suit and tie while bombing abortion clinics doesnt mean that person is any more humane than if they wore a turbin. Causing death and destruction in the name of Allah, or in the name of God is equally retarded.
I think we can all agree on that, right?
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Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
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on Jul 29th, 2005, 4:20pm, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:I think it was best said by vig. Every religion has it's own nutjob radical fuckers. Just cause a person wears a suit and tie while bombing abortion clinics doesnt mean that person is any more humane than if they wore a turbin. Causing death and destruction in the name of Allah, or in the name of God is equally retarded.
I think we can all agree on that, right?
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Agreed, but, we condem them.....the turbins dont.
I think we can agree on that, right?
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« Reply #21 on: Jul 29th, 2005, 5:08pm » |
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Well, to be honest with you, i dont know many muslims at all. I live in Oregon.
But our "good buddies" the Saudis, dont seem to be condemning all this terror. It is very rare that you hear reports of the Saudi Royal family tell their people to stop trying to blow up american convoys.
But on the other hand, you dont hear about Randall Terry supporters telling him that bombing several abortion clinics was too radical. You have supporters and other politicians following and admiring this man that preaches about the sanctity of marriage, and then cheated on his wife, and bombs abortion clinics.
So, I guess you have some radical muslims that support terror, and you have some muslims that do not. You also have some americans that like and support Randall Terry, and some that dont.
Speaking of supporting terrorists, on a different subject, howcome saudi arabia (our good buddy) keeps letting its people flock across the border into Iraq to fuck with our boys?
With friends like that, who needs enemas?
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Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
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Thats because they are his supporters....DUH!
Ill bet 95% of Americans condem that pukes actions.
Cant say that for the turbins thats for sure, we can agree on that, right?
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Re: Extending a welcome to Muslims with CH
« Reply #23 on: Jul 29th, 2005, 5:42pm » |
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Hey get this. I live in a townhouse condo community. It is very multi ethnic here. My son has made some friends in the complex and had five kids over. One is from Germany, one is from Lebanon, one is from Haiti, one is from Palestine and one is born here of Indian ( india), porteguese, and lebanese mixture. Reminded me of my mutt family lol. I know I am incredibly naive but it gave me hope seeing all those kids 15-17 years interacting and having a good time. BTW the law in Quebec says that immigrants must attend French schools. They do not have the right to choose unless they go private. All these kids including mine are fluent in French. It gave my kid David the chance to really practice his French skills. He speaks it better than I do. Can you imagine a Palestinian in a Jewish home getting along. Only here in Canada......We were joking about that one.
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« Reply #24 on: Jul 29th, 2005, 5:47pm » |
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Interesting thread and I'm hoping we would treat Muslim clusterheads no differently. Hope anway.
I lived in and around Utica, NY for 4 years which is more or less in the center of the state. I have no idea why, but Oneida County has a large Muslim population, mostly Syrian. Right after 9/11, a lot of the businesses strung up large banners and flags in our support. "We Love America" was plastered all over the place. Yuppies in that area did all kinds of shopping, including produce, oddly enough. The area is full of Syrians running all kind of businesses. It was so second nature living there that them I never kept track of their beliefs.
The man who runs the well-known Zogby poll is a Syrian from the area. You see him in CNN and 19th Century Fox around elections. Anyway, it's a shame they have to pay the price for the monsters here and in London. Every time they turn around, there's something else.
In any case, "closing the borders" as I read here every damn day, hurts the wrong people. Us. You can't keep out a determined terrorist anyway. America closing its borders just ain't what we're about and although I can't stand him, to George Bush's credit, he has been pretty good about this. Amazing.
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