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Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patient
« on: Jul 27th, 2005, 2:00pm » |
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For those of you who google then news just two weeks ago a sixteen year old girl went missing in Hemmingford Quebec just 40 minutes from Montreal. Her body was found the other day. She was horribly beaten to death. If she was sexually assaulted it is not out yet. They arrested a young man and get this charged his parents with second degree murder (acessories). What part they played in this God knows. The Waltons, they are not. Anyhoo the father had chest pains and is in CCU right across the hall from me with two guards at all times. They all seem so normal. Holy shit......I hope someone "accidentally" pulls his O2 or some such shit. The whole thing is making me sick.
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Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
« Reply #1 on: Jul 27th, 2005, 2:11pm » |
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Whoa.. Disturbing... The parents may not have had ANY part in it, and may be listed as accessories to the crime if they had helped hide their son.
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« Reply #2 on: Jul 27th, 2005, 2:13pm » |
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True Frank. It has not come out what their part in this was. They found the poor girl in a shallow grave 
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« Reply #3 on: Jul 27th, 2005, 2:28pm » |
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How awful... We've certainly had our share of awful things like this lately, here in the States. *sigh*
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Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
« Reply #4 on: Jul 27th, 2005, 2:55pm » |
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you know, Ricky, did you ever stop to think that maybe the father is having chest pains BECAUSE of the grief his son's actions have caused him? I know I'd sure be stressed if a kid of mine was implicated in something like this. I guess I just have a different reaction to this than you do. Frank's right, the parents could be accessories if they allowed their son to hide out in their house. What would YOU do if your kid came home, said nothing to you about his "activites" the night before and then went to sleep. Say you heard it on the news that your boy was suspected. What would you do?
I'm afraid I might be painted as an accessory, too, in a case like this.
Don't get me wrong, it's a tragic case and I feel (and pray) for all parties involved.
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« Reply #5 on: Jul 27th, 2005, 9:28pm » |
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Margi For sure this guy's problems are brought on by the stress. He has a heart history. It has not come out yet just exactly what part the parents played in this. God if my kid turned out to be a murderer of an innoncent girl like this I am afraid I would not stand by him. I would wonder whose kid is this and that this is a stranger. I am hoping it is benign as just hiding their kid and not some really disturbing shit ala Bernardo/Homulka. We all will finding out soon enough.
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« Reply #6 on: Jul 27th, 2005, 9:33pm » |
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on Jul 27th, 2005, 2:55pm, Margi wrote:you know, Ricky, did you ever stop to think that maybe the father is having chest pains BECAUSE of the grief his son's actions have caused him? I know I'd sure be stressed if a kid of mine was implicated in something like this. I guess I just have a different reaction to this than you do. Frank's right, the parents could be accessories if they allowed their son to hide out in their house. What would YOU do if your kid came home, said nothing to you about his "activites" the night before and then went to sleep. Say you heard it on the news that your boy was suspected. What would you do?
I'm afraid I might be painted as an accessory, too, in a case like this.
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Great post Margi 
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« Reply #7 on: Jul 27th, 2005, 10:27pm » |
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Wow, this has been big news here, it all happened about 50 miles from me. The local news says that the parents helped their son dispose of evidence connected to the case, check it out in the Plattsburgh (NY) Press:
http://www.pressrepublican.com/Archive/2005/07_2005/072720051.htm
Scary stuff here close to the border.......
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« Reply #8 on: Jul 27th, 2005, 10:35pm » |
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Sick cold world sumtimes. A friend of mine in Arizona was notified they found his 19 year old daughter dead few days ago......some young people gave her a ride and the young girl of 16 started to stab her and then her boyfriend started to stab her then shot her in the head. They both confessed but now the poor family has to go thru TWO trails. Eye for an eye trail Pam
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« Reply #9 on: Jul 27th, 2005, 10:39pm » |
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Whats up with society? Is it hate or is it stupidity? I'll pray for her and her family Coots 
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« Reply #10 on: Jul 28th, 2005, 8:10am » |
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Jeez... Well, if it's any comfort, I don't think the world is any sicker than it's always been. It's just less private.
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« Reply #11 on: Jul 28th, 2005, 8:38am » |
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Well Margi If the parents indeed helped dispose of the evidence then I hope they fry along with their darling son. Can you imagine the agony of the mother wondering where her daughter is and these bitches knew all along the girl is dead and they help tokeep it a secret. No honey I would not do that for my son who I love to death. If he could do something like this, he is a stranger to me.
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« Reply #12 on: Jul 28th, 2005, 8:41am » |
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MCF Welcome aboard. So you live in the Plattsburgh area. I go often. I have a gf in Peru. I have tried to get together with some clusterheads here in the Montreal area. I am originally from Georgia. I have lived up here for 15 years and it is unfriendly. I have yet to meet another clusterhead. I have been unsuccessful in getting a meeting with locals to come to pass.
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Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
« Reply #13 on: Jul 28th, 2005, 8:44am » |
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I agree: If the parents helped to hide evidence, that's a different situation altogether. 
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Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
« Reply #14 on: Jul 28th, 2005, 11:13am » |
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on Jul 28th, 2005, 8:44am, Frank_W wrote:| I agree: If the parents helped to hide evidence, that's a different situation altogether. |
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Agreed. But ... sorry, I still find the desire to "pull the O2" (on someone who hasn't been proven guilty yet), absolutely terrifying. I'm glad I'm not a patient in that hospital, that's all. This is now a matter for the police and, subsequently, a judge and jury. Certainly not hospital staff who are feeding on media reports that may or may not be true. I'm glad there are guards posted outside the father's room.
Yes, it's horribly wrong if the parents helped this guy cover it up. And yes, they should be punished for doing that. I would hope that I, in the same situation,would be able to make the right choice and turn my child in to the authorities. But, my point is, that we don't know what the circumstances were that led to the parents being charged as accessories and, until such time as we do, it's certainly no one's place to judge them or threaten to pull the plug on the dad.
BTW, Ricky, I fully believe that Bernardo and Homulka will end up in the Lake of Fire. But I sure pray that their parents won't. Of course I feel gut-wrenching sympathy for the parents of the murdered girls in both of these cases. But I also feel it for the parents of the criminals, as well.
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Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
« Reply #15 on: Jul 28th, 2005, 11:27am » |
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on Jul 28th, 2005, 11:13am, Margi wrote:
sorry, I still find the desire to "pull the O2" (on someone who hasn't been proven guilty yet), absolutely terrifying.
it's certainly no one's place to judge them or threaten to pull the plug on the dad.
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You're right Margi. I find it terrifying, too. Earlier on in this thread, Sean asked what's wrong with society. I've been thinking about that a lot since. I think I have one answer. Our society embraces violence by "qualifying" it.
A 16 yo girl get into a car with someone who rapes and/or murders her....she's a victim, it's an outrage.
A 19 yo crack addicted hooker does the same...she's a hooker, what did she expect?
2 hockey Dads duke it out in the lobby of the ice rink and one dies... what's wrong with them? That's crazy.
2 thugs in hockey uniforms duke it out on the ice...it's entertainment, it's part of the game.
We drop bombs on a country we've declared war on, and kill civilians...that's collateral damage
Someone declares war on us and kills civilians...that's an outrage, it's terrorism.
A husband wants to pull a feeding tube from his brain dead wife...that's murder, it's unforgivable.
Someone wants to accidentally pull a plug on an alleged criminal... he deserves it, he's guilty.
It seems to me that until EVERY SINGLE PERSON takes a good long look into their souls and realizes that EVERY OTHER PERSON deserves to be respected solely because they are alive, we are doomed. I believe that God put us here to get past all the differences and remember who "we really are".
Society should have rules and laws. Those who choose not to follow them should have a consequence. The standards should apply to everyone, though, in all situations. But when are we going to wake up and see the "real" big picture here?
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Re: Holy Crap We got a high profile criminal patie
« Reply #16 on: Jul 28th, 2005, 11:38am » |
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« Reply #17 on: Jul 28th, 2005, 12:11pm » |
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Ricky, just sent you a PM a few minutes ago........
More info on the case today, including a picture of the victim:
http://www.pressrepublican.com/newsfront.htm
It's a sad commentary on what society is coming to, no matter where we live.
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on Jul 28th, 2005, 8:41am, rickyshot wrote:| I have lived up here for 15 years and it is unfriendly. I have yet to meet another clusterhead. I have been unsuccessful in getting a meeting with locals to come to pass. |
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I have to disagree with this Ricky, however it is your opinion. The folks in Montreal are more than friendly and supportive and I am proud to call them my friends, part of my family. Circumstances have intruded on many of their ability to meet and I would say they are sorry for the lack of opportunities they have had to meet and greet, I cannot speak for them but I will say again, I am proud to call them my friends...
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« Reply #19 on: Jul 28th, 2005, 4:43pm » |
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on Jul 28th, 2005, 4:38pm, broomhilda wrote:I am proud to call them my friends...
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not only just your opinion, Broomie - mine too. The Montrealers that we've met on our board have all been awesome! Unfriendly? I sure haven't noticed that! Quite the opposite, we've found! I think all our Quebec family at ch.ca ROCK! Canadians, as a whole, we're a friendly bunch. Just don't piss us off. LOL
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« Reply #20 on: Jul 28th, 2005, 7:19pm » |
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« Reply #21 on: Jul 28th, 2005, 11:12pm » |
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Well, I'll tell you living just an hour south of Montreal that it can be an awful unfriendly place, especially if you don't speak french, which I don't. Go to Ontario/Ottawa and everything is completely different, some of the friendliest people you would find anywhere in the world, same thing with the eastern provinces. I attribute 99% of it to being a large metropolitan area, where life is different like it is in any big city.
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on Jul 28th, 2005, 7:19pm, Jonny wrote:Give the chick a break....aint like she just landed here.
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LMAO!!!! 
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on Jul 28th, 2005, 7:19pm, Jonny wrote:Give the chick a break....aint like she just landed here.
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OK I am game. ROTFLMAO
Seriously I stand by my experiences here in Canada. And to really get shit started because I am a shit disturber of the highest order (must be the American in me and Souther yahoo to boot) did y'all know there is no racism in Canada. I am from the South and we NEVER were called the N word till we moved here-absolutely true. My kids passed out some good ol fashioned Georgia ass whuppings and that shit stopped. And anti Semitism That is a big tradition here in Quebec. They even honored a rabid Nazi sympathizer and supporter with a subway station after his name LIonel Groulx. Gotta love it
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« Reply #24 on: Jul 29th, 2005, 8:37am » |
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I'm sorry, Ricky. I know how it feels. I lived in Japan for ten years, and was ostracized, gawked at, regarded with abject fear, made the butt of crass and racial jokes, all for being a "gaijin." (Non-Japanese, especially as a Caucasian male)
It hurts, and it's frustrating, and no matter how thick you think your skin is, when you live in a country that's not your own, you become vulnerable.
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