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2/3 of Muslims consider leaving UK
« on: Jul 26th, 2005, 1:19pm » |
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Guess they're coming to America where they can be pacified, catered to, and have no trouble with entry...
Hundreds of thousands of Muslims have thought about leaving Britain after the London bombings, according to a new Guardian/ICM poll.
The figure illustrates how widespread fears are of an anti-Muslim backlash following the July 7 bombings which were carried out by British born suicide bombers.
The poll also shows that tens of thousands of Muslims have suffered from increased Islamophobia, with one in five saying they or a family member have faced abuse or hostility since the attacks.
Police have recorded more than 1,200 suspected Islamophobic incidents across the country ranging from verbal abuse to one murder in the past three weeks. The poll suggests the headline figure is a large underestimate.
The poll came as British Islamic leaders and police met to try to boost recruitment of Muslim officers, improve efforts to protect Muslims from a backlash, and improve the flow of information from Muslims to the police about suspected terrorist activity.
Nearly two-thirds of Muslims told pollsters that they had thought about their future in Britain after the attacks, with 63% saying they had considered whether they wanted to remain in the UK. Older Muslims were more uneasy about their future, with 67% of those 35 or over having contemplated their future home country compared to 61% among those 34 or under.
Britain's Muslim population is estimated at 1.6million, with 1.1million over 18, meaning more than half a million may have considered the possibility of leaving.
Three in 10 are pessimistic about their children's future in Britain, while 56% said they were optimistic.
Nearly eight in 10 Muslims believe Britain's participation in invading Iraq was a factor leading to the bombings, compared to nearly two-thirds of all Britons surveyed for the Guardian earlier this month. Tony Blair has repeatedly denied such a link.
Muslim clerics' and leaders' failure to root out extremists is a factor behind the attacks identified by 57% of Muslims, compared to 68% of all Britons, and nearly two-thirds of Muslims identify racist and Islamophobic behaviour as a cause compared to 57% of all Britons.
The general population and Muslims apportion virtually the same amount of blame to the bombers and their handlers, with eight in 10 or more citing these as factors.
The poll finds a huge rejection of violence by Muslims with nine in 10 believing it has no place in a political struggle. Nearly nine out of 10 said they should help the police tackle extremists in the Islamic communities in Britain.
A small rump, potentially running into thousands, told ICM of their support for the attacks on July 7 which killed 56 and left hundreds wounded - and 5% said that more attacks would be justified. Those findings are troubling for those urgently trying to assess the pool of potential suicide bombers.
One in five polled said Muslim communities had integrated with society too much already, while 40% said more was needed and a third said the level was about right.
More than half wanted foreign Muslim clerics barred or thrown out of Britain, but a very sizeable minority, 38%, opposed that.
Half of Muslims thought that they needed to do more to prevent extremists infiltrating their community.
· ICM interviewed a random sample of 1,005 adults aged 18+ by telephone on July 15-17 2005. Interviews were conducted across the country and the results have been weighted to the profile of all adults. ICM is a member of the British Polling Council and abides by its rules.
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Re: 2/3 of Muslims consider leaving UK
« Reply #1 on: Jul 26th, 2005, 1:24pm » |
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Whatever... We either have to put up with their extremists, or we have to put up with their whining. Really, I don't know which is worse. 
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Re: 2/3 of Muslims consider leaving UK
« Reply #2 on: Jul 26th, 2005, 1:51pm » |
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Considering that no one's friends, family, children etc actually perish during their whining let's opt for that! Even though WalMart sales are still happening and your car overheated there's a war going on against us. The eradication of all things and peoples non-Islamic is their ultimate and only driving force.
Time to leave grandma alone and start profiling at the airport, the subways and any other place there are people of middle-eastern decent. This is war and political correctness is literally killing people.
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Re: 2/3 of Muslims consider leaving UK
« Reply #3 on: Jul 26th, 2005, 1:53pm » |
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I couldn't agree more. (I'm having a very agreeable day...) 
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Re: 2/3 of Muslims consider leaving UK
« Reply #4 on: Jul 26th, 2005, 2:23pm » |
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on Jul 26th, 2005, 1:51pm, notseinfeld wrote: there's a war going on against us. The eradication of all things and peoples non-Islamic is their ultimate and only driving force.
Time to leave grandma alone and start profiling at the airport, the subways and any other place there are people of middle-eastern decent. This is war and political correctness is literally killing people.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you.
The Islamic, Muslim, whatever you want to call it religion, is nothing more than a violent cult with the intention to destroy anyone and everyone that does not believe as they do. The children are taught from the time of their birth to hate and kill all that disagree with them. They are taught that women are lower than animals and are to be used, abused, raped, beaten and murdered. They believe the more they hate and kill the higher they will be received in their heaven. It’s in their holy book.
They are saying it’s only a few of their members that are extremists and terrorists. They say they want to help stop the violence. But do they? Hell no! They get their rocks off seeing innocent people die.
It is time to stop the political correctness and all the huggy-kissy face-feel good manure that is being spread by Washington politicians and from the Muslim pulpits.
If I sound a little anti-islamic it is because I just might be. Fuck’em, they started it centuries ago and haven’t learned a dammned thing yet.
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Re: 2/3 of Muslims consider leaving UK
« Reply #5 on: Jul 26th, 2005, 2:26pm » |
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If they're leaving, I'm sure the British attitude at this point is, "Hey, don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out!" 
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Re: 2/3 of Muslims consider leaving UK
« Reply #6 on: Jul 26th, 2005, 2:27pm » |
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Who's gonna' keep the UK Ecomony going?
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Re: 2/3 of Muslims consider leaving UK
« Reply #7 on: Jul 26th, 2005, 2:36pm » |
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You guys are so lucky that you may voice your opinions with no retribution and that you have freedom of speech.
In Africa this would not be seen as political or even religious, a person will be condemned for being racist.
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Re: 2/3 of Muslims consider leaving UK
« Reply #8 on: Jul 26th, 2005, 2:42pm » |
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on Jul 26th, 2005, 2:36pm, Jasmyn wrote:You guys are so lucky that you may voice your opinions with no retribution and that you have freedom of speech.
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Eventually we all will realize that racism was so "surface", and that our "tribal" differences will be the greater thing to overcome. After all, are our religious variations basically a way of splitting the world into tribes?
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Re: 2/3 of Muslims consider leaving UK
« Reply #9 on: Jul 26th, 2005, 3:30pm » |
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on Jul 26th, 2005, 1:51pm, notseinfeld wrote: This is war and political correctness is literally killing people.
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I have never like political correctness and this statement is exactly why.
BTW: Racism is the term that a$$holes (of any race/sex/blahblahblah) use when someone (of a different race/sex/blahblahblah) calls them on doing something stupid.
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Re: 2/3 of Muslims consider leaving UK
« Reply #10 on: Jul 26th, 2005, 4:23pm » |
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Profile at the airports
Profile on public transit systems
Profile on the highways
Profile wherever public safety is in question
They have civil liberties but my right to live and protect my family from Muslim fundamentalists over rides thier civil liberties.
They put themselves in this position so let THEM pay the consequences not me or my family.
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I can live with being condemned as a racist if it means I can live and not be blown to pieces by some fundamentalist with a bomb in a suitcase.
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Re: 2/3 of Muslims consider leaving UK
« Reply #11 on: Jul 26th, 2005, 4:25pm » |
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on Jul 26th, 2005, 4:23pm, don wrote:Profile at the airports
Profile on public transit systems
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They have civil liberties but my right to live and protect my family from Muslim fundamentalists over rides thier civil liberties.
They put themselves in this position so let THEM pay the consequences not me or my family.
I can live with be condemned as a racist if it means I can live and not be blown to pieces by some fundamentalist with a bomb in a suitcase. |
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Re: 2/3 of Muslims consider leaving UK
« Reply #12 on: Jul 26th, 2005, 9:02pm » |
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on Jul 26th, 2005, 2:23pm, BobG wrote:
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
The Islamic, Muslim, whatever you want to call it religion, is nothing more than a violent cult with the intention to destroy anyone and everyone that does not believe as they do. The children are taught from the time of their birth to hate and kill all that disagree with them. They are taught that women are lower than animals and are to be used, abused, raped, beaten and murdered. They believe the more they hate and kill the higher they will be received in their heaven. It’s in their holy book.
They are saying it’s only a few of their members that are extremists and terrorists. They say they want to help stop the violence. But do they? Hell no! They get their rocks off seeing innocent people die.
It is time to stop the political correctness and all the huggy-kissy face-feel good manure that is being spread by Washington politicians and from the Muslim pulpits.
If I sound a little anti-islamic it is because I just might be. Fuck’em, they started it centuries ago and haven’t learned a dammned thing yet.
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Double BINGO People study the middle east. These people never had a political agenda. It is not about land or civil rights. They live to fight and consider anyone not a Muslim an infidel. They just use modern political rhetoric to stir each other up but it is all bullshit.
Profile at the airports
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They have civil liberties but my right to live and protect my family from Muslim fundamentalists over rides thier civil liberties.
They put themselves in this position so let THEM pay the consequences not me or my family.
I second that one .
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« Reply #13 on: Jul 26th, 2005, 9:09pm » |
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Might not be such a bad thing.
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Re: 2/3 of Muslims consider leaving UK
« Reply #15 on: Jul 26th, 2005, 9:28pm » |
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Muslims need to admit that there is currently what amounts to a small death cult at the very edges of their community. I understand their reluctance but they need to admit it. These killers are by a large margin homegrown in western countries. We need their help and they surely need ours because they are setting back the clock. The only way out for them is to help us. They do need a nudge. I'm hoping it isn't going to be a Klan-style nudge. That kind of escalation worries me.
For now, I'm going to stick with George Bush's way of handling our (domestic anyway) Muslims. Ostensibly, it works. Why, I don't know. He keeps missing the target when it comes to dealing with the rest of us and going through my mail.
No matter that I can't stand the man, he has behaved rather well in this case....at least from what I can tell.
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There is only one word that can come to mind when 2/3 of an ethnic or religious community is thinking about finding a new country: Pogrom.
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on Jul 27th, 2005, 12:52pm, floridian wrote:There is only one word that can come to mind when 2/3 of an ethnic or religious community is thinking about finding a new country: Pogrom.
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google....
define pogrom...
"An organized and often officially encouraged massacre of or attack on Jews. The word is derived from two Russian words that mean "thunder."
fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/glossary.htm
An organized persecution or extermination of a national, religious or ethnic minority, especially the Jews. Via Yiddish from Russian: destruction, from po- like + grom thunder.
I HOPE that's not what's going on in Britain.
(I don't think it is.)
I DO think the moderate Islamists have to reign in the rest.
We put our bad apples away, or at least try to.
Where are Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph now?
6 feet under or behind bars for life.
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While the word is originally from the Russian pograms against Jews, it is also a generic term for ethnic cleansing. Whether or not that actually happens, remains to be seen.
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It would be a pretty good thing if we could convince the Islamists to stop their ethnic cleansing program against the rest of us. Not very damn likely though. Its one of the basic tenets of their faith. Their pogrom is to struggle (jihad) against us.
They want you converted or dead. No third alternative.
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uh, there's still more of us...
and we're as crazy as them....
It's in THEIR best interest too for them to reconsider that portion of their belief system.
Most of them DON'T believe that portion anyway.
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« Reply #21 on: Jul 27th, 2005, 3:48pm » |
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This is the first I've heard of any of this and I live here!!
don't always believe what you read folks and as for "polls"..
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« Reply #22 on: Jul 27th, 2005, 4:18pm » |
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Muslims say the word Islam itself means peace. Salaam is the Arabic word for peace. Islam is the Arabic word for surrender.
In otherwords you can only have peace if you surrender.
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« Reply #23 on: Jul 27th, 2005, 7:26pm » |
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Must say I missed this article. Interesting results though as it suggests strange things about their commitment to what is supposed to be their country. I think that there would be a considerable amount of support in that case for helping them with their air fares....
Integration is the key for most, and is the real problem with the perception of Islam here. Hindus, Jews, Buddhists and Sikhs have no problems until they wear outlandish dress (why does Orthodox Judaism insist on a 17th/18th century Eastern-European get-up? - very Biblical) or attack theatres producing plays they dislike. With Islam however, almost everything is separatist, from dress to language to sympathy with the indigenous culture.
Looking at the Bible and the Koran together, they are both violent books, in terms of their interaction with other peoples. The real difference is that having had a reformation in Christianity, the text is open to interpretation - relatively few opt for absolute literalism.
If we could somehow encourage a similar critical understanding of the Koran we may begin to benefit from what was once one of the greatest of cultures the world has seen, rather than the mediaeval isolationism with which we are currently faced.
It takes two to tango, and there are a lot of people here dancing alone.
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« Reply #24 on: Jul 27th, 2005, 7:39pm » |
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It makes me laugh when I see people trying to apply logic to this problem. The very things we depend on in order to maintain a civil society (logic, compassion for humanity, high regard for life, etc) are the very things they depend on to cripple our will when we are faced with unthinkable situations.
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