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More trouble in London
« on: Jul 22nd, 2005, 6:13am » |
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An Asian man has just been shot dead after a chase by police in Stockwell, South London. He was wearing a big heavy coat and tried to elude police by jumping onto a train so they shot him dead.
No more details yet.
Armed police have just surrounded a Mosque in East London too.
I'll keep you updated as soon as I hear more.
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Re: More trouble in London
« Reply #1 on: Jul 22nd, 2005, 7:05am » |
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It's like a freaking movie but it's real. Jeez!
Edit: They are saying now that they followed the person from his house on a tip.
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Re: More trouble in London
« Reply #2 on: Jul 22nd, 2005, 8:13am » |
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You and your family promise us to be careful Helen.
This is insane and a nightmare for all of us
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Re: More trouble in London
« Reply #3 on: Jul 22nd, 2005, 9:27am » |
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Re: More trouble in London
« Reply #4 on: Jul 22nd, 2005, 9:41am » |
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The actions of these terrorists will eventually result in a genocide on their own people.
Think about it. If terrorist attacks keep happening and getting pinned on or claimed by the same group of people every time, one government or another will decide that they've had enough and go after that group of people.
Innocent members of their group will die as a result of their actions.
What a bunch of morons.
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Re: More trouble in London
« Reply #5 on: Jul 22nd, 2005, 10:28am » |
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I think the moderate Islamists need to distance themselves from the extremists or the big red target will begin to cover them too.
right now, one of the Arab nations is sheltering Osama and we're not going after them because they are a 'sovereign nation'. That won't hold up much longer if this continues.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/20/goss.bin.laden/index.html
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Re: More trouble in London
« Reply #6 on: Jul 22nd, 2005, 10:45am » |
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Its pretty freakin scary, though, that after security has been stepped up as far as it has, the only reason there werent lots of deaths and destruction is cause the detonators malfunctioned. Had the detonators worked properly, all the extra security since 9/11, and all the extra security immediately following the bombing 2 weeks ago would not have saved 1 life.
How do you fight an enemy among us?
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Re: More trouble in London
« Reply #7 on: Jul 22nd, 2005, 12:42pm » |
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That was shocking news! I just talked about it with mum. Think about it: what if the guy was innocent... 
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Re: More trouble in London
« Reply #8 on: Jul 22nd, 2005, 12:50pm » |
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Innocent? The only way he could be innocent, is if he were thoroughly insane.
He obviously did something to end up with three armed, undercover police tracking him. Then, wearing a coat in the middle of summer, ignoring commands to halt, leaping over the barrier and running into the subway, less than two weeks after the subway was bombed, and the day after another attempt was made? This fellow deserved what he got. Period.
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Re: More trouble in London
« Reply #9 on: Jul 22nd, 2005, 1:08pm » |
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He was not innocent. It has been confirmed they were chasing him in connection with yesterdays incidents.
Added to which think of it like this. Either
A) You are sat in a hot tube train in the middle of July when a Moslem male bundled up in a heavy padded winter jacket comes tearing on chased by five armed police officers. The doors close, the train moves off and you are stuck with him in a dark tunnel. The train quite obviously is stopped in that tunnel by the police and mr big coat undoes his coat... you tell me you would carry on quietly reading Harry Potter 'cos I wouldn't!
B) You ARE that man, moslem appearance wearing a huge heavy coat in the middle of July. The Police stop you do you a) stop and answer their questions? b) run like hell? I know what I'd do. The Police had been chasing him for quite a while and were looking for him specifically and others. Don't forget they have video footage from every tube station in London. They know who their suspects are.
I will admit I did n't like it when I heard they had stopped and shot him while he was down BUT.. we only have eye witness reports and I know how I would react if I just saw someone shot. I'd be hysterical. I just saw a gun for the first time ever in Dallas and that is how most Brits are.
I don't know that he wasn't a walking bomb with a trigger in his hand but I'll tell you now.... if I'd been there THAT is what I would have been thinking
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Re: More trouble in London
« Reply #10 on: Jul 22nd, 2005, 1:17pm » |
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still, shooting anyone on the head... 
I do hope that there won't be a chain of violence from now on.
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Re: More trouble in London
« Reply #11 on: Jul 22nd, 2005, 1:22pm » |
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The policeman who shot him probably asked himself:
"What's worse, knowing I have shot dead ONE potentially innocent man, OR, paused and allowed a terrorist to kill 1,2,3,4......innocent people?"
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Re: More trouble in London
« Reply #12 on: Jul 22nd, 2005, 1:24pm » |
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on Jul 22nd, 2005, 1:17pm, sandie99 wrote:still, shooting anyone on the head...
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Kill one person, or allow that one person to kill another 53 people? Pretty easy choice, if you ask me. Chain of violence? Please... The fucking terrorists are the ones perpetrating it. It will stop when they stop. Period. If that means killing every damn one of them by shooting each one in the face, I have just one question: Where can I buy that much ammo?
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Re: More trouble in London
« Reply #13 on: Jul 22nd, 2005, 1:39pm » |
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on Jul 22nd, 2005, 1:24pm, Frank_W wrote:
Kill one person, or allow that one person to kill another 53 people? Pretty easy choice, if you ask me. Chain of violence? Please... The fucking terrorists are the ones perpetrating it. It will stop when they stop. Period. If that means killing every damn one of them by shooting each one in the face, I have just one question: Where can I buy that much ammo? |
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let me get it streight... instead of letting them play God we want to play God...?
Anyways, I do hope that nothing happends in Rome in August! Mum is freaking out and talking about changing the destination.... I told her that if something happends, then it happends.
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Re: More trouble in London
« Reply #14 on: Jul 22nd, 2005, 1:41pm » |
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You aren't understanding, Sandie: They had him on VIDEOTAPE as one of the bombers from yesterday! This isn't an innocent man, and yet, this man would have gladly killed as many innocent people as he could. You have a twisted sense of justice if you can make excuses for terrorists and condemn the police for doing their jobs.
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Re: More trouble in London
« Reply #15 on: Jul 22nd, 2005, 1:47pm » |
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on Jul 22nd, 2005, 1:41pm, Frank_W wrote:| You have a twisted sense of justice if you can make excuses for terrorists and condemn the police for doing their jobs. |
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I really don't see how placing equal value on all life is making excuses for terrorists. I haven't seen anyone condemning the police, either. I've always said that the police go to war everyday, that is truer than ever in these scary (yes, I said it again) times.
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Re: More trouble in London
« Reply #16 on: Jul 22nd, 2005, 1:50pm » |
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on Jul 22nd, 2005, 1:39pm, sandie99 wrote:
let me get it streight... instead of letting them play God we want to play God...?
Anyways, I do hope that nothing happends in Rome in August! Mum is freaking out and talking about changing the destination.... I told her that if something happends, then it happends. |
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i'm against anyone playing god. this is a war of humans. just as sure as the changes in the 19th Century that saw generals line soldiers up in lines for slaughter and march towards each other lock step, shooting, finally gave way to modern trench and then guerilla warfare, this is the new war battlefield of the future. Maybe its time we all became aware of what is at stake here. The other side is playing for all the marbles and ifwe don't treat it as such we may as well show up for the gunfight with slingshots.
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Re: More trouble in London
« Reply #17 on: Jul 22nd, 2005, 1:51pm » |
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I don't consider terrorists a normal form of life. In my opinion, they are a lower life form wild animals that deserve no rights or respect.
These bastards would kill every single person on this message board AND their families right now if they could figure out a way to do it.
Catch them, gather them together and execute all of them as a group.
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Re: More trouble in London
« Reply #18 on: Jul 22nd, 2005, 1:52pm » |
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Just beat me to it with that post Frank. I can only say that I have to agree with you 100%. I was in London with schoolkids two weeks ago and several of them were in tears waiting to find out if those with mums and dads working in the central area of London were safe. I spoke to one dad on the phone who had been in his work vehicle sitting outside the entrance to one of the bombed tube stations and he could hardly speak with the shock.
In my book if you live by the sword then you can expect to die by the sword!!
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Re: More trouble in London
« Reply #19 on: Jul 22nd, 2005, 1:54pm » |
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on Jul 22nd, 2005, 1:41pm, Frank_W wrote:| You aren't understanding, Sandie: They had him on VIDEOTAPE as one of the bombers from yesterday! This isn't an innocent man, and yet, this man would have gladly killed as many innocent people as he could. You have a twisted sense of justice if you can make excuses for terrorists and condemn the police for doing their jobs. |
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I haven't done that. Attempt to kill others is wrong. Terrorism is wrong. But what I do think is that nobody should try to play God. Recall your Bible? I do recall my 10 comandments.  I was raised to believe that we're all equals.
Then again, I've lived my whole life in a country in which there's no death penalty.
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Re: More trouble in London
« Reply #20 on: Jul 22nd, 2005, 1:56pm » |
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on Jul 22nd, 2005, 1:54pm, sandie99 wrote:
So you don't think that God may have mortals here on Earth doing his work for him?
Reading the Bible, I also see evidence of the Death Penalty. Much more extreme than now.
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Re: More trouble in London
« Reply #21 on: Jul 22nd, 2005, 2:01pm » |
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"For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins." [Matthew 6:14-15 NIV]
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Re: More trouble in London
« Reply #22 on: Jul 22nd, 2005, 2:01pm » |
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Ditto. So have I, we do have a difference though. Your police openly carry guns and mine does not.
Go back to the scenario's I posted and tell me you wouldn't have shit yourself being on a tube in a dark tunnel with that man.
Maybe I'm a bad person.. I don't much care. I never thought I'd say this but times change you. If I had been on that tube platform and a guy in a big padded coat pursued by coppers with guns had been running about with fuck knows what under it I'd have been YELLING at them to bring him down.
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Re: More trouble in London
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on Jul 22nd, 2005, 2:01pm, nani wrote:"For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins." [Matthew 6:14-15 NIV]
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I'll forgive people who have done me wrong but, If I think for a second that my life of my families is at risk, there's going to be a lot of trouble going on.
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Re: More trouble in London
« Reply #24 on: Jul 22nd, 2005, 2:04pm » |
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on Jul 22nd, 2005, 2:01pm, LeLimey wrote:
If I had been on that tube platform and a guy in a big padded coat pursued by coppers with guns had been running about with fuck knows what under it I'd have been YELLING at them to bring him down.
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I believe I would have yelled, "shoot that m*th*rf**k*r".
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