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Re: Rudolph
« Reply #1 on: Jul 18th, 2005, 2:50pm » |
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I agree with you Vig..
I am a christian, active in the church. I tell you kinow if I ever know of anyone like this I would report them.
I know it will stir alot of hits, but this guy is no Christian.
Sorry.
I do not agree with abortian, but its not for us to choose. They will have to answer to a higher power, even this guy. No one has the right to take a life, trying to save a life.
This guy got what he deserved.
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Re: Rudolph
« Reply #2 on: Jul 18th, 2005, 3:19pm » |
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am I missing something here? Not once do any of the following words appear in that article: Christian, Christianity, Religion, or Religious. I did a search and they do not appear.
Why is this guy being referred to as a Christian? I'd say he's the antithesis by definition. Isn't he just a regular whacko? Why call him a "Christian terrorist?" Kind of an oxymoron, like "Jumbo Shrimp".....
edited to add: just because someone is against abortion, that doesn't necessarily make them a Christian. I'm sure there's lots of other relgions and some atheists/agnostics that are against it too.
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Re: Rudolph
« Reply #3 on: Jul 18th, 2005, 3:47pm » |
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well, it doesn't make him a GOOD christian, but christian he seems to think he is and it's what has motivated him...
http://www.answers.com/topic/eric-robert-rudolph
Are muslim fundamentalists just plain whacko?
or do we call them Islamic whackos?
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Re: Rudolph
« Reply #4 on: Jul 18th, 2005, 3:56pm » |
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thanks for digging that up, Vig. Wow,
Christian Nazi's/Aryans. I had no idea there even was such a group calling themselves Christian! Talk about hiding under the cloak of Christianity. Makes me so mad!
I think there's whacko's in every sector of society. Religion and non-religious. The basic principle of Muslim/Islam is quite peaceful. But those folks don't make the news. Nor do the peaceful Christians or Jews. We only hear about the nutjobs!
Sorry - didn't mean to be anal about this - I've just never heard of this guy. Thanks for going the extra mile to explain it to my little pea brain, Paul. 
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Re: Rudolph
« Reply #5 on: Jul 18th, 2005, 3:56pm » |
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I agree: keep religion and other actions separate. I never went to Sunday school, but I believe strongly in God and I've read my Bible. I don't go on pushing my religious beliefs to anyone else. This world would be a better place if we would just agree to disagree. 
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Re: Rudolph
« Reply #6 on: Jul 18th, 2005, 3:59pm » |
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Many of the KKK were Southern Baptist Christians.
In the recent retrial of Edgar Ray Killen, a former Baptist preacher, it was shown that the one holdout juror from his original trial, had voted not-guilty, because:
The holdout said she could not vote to convict a preacher.
Didn't matter if he was guilty or not to her....
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Re: Rudolph
« Reply #7 on: Jul 18th, 2005, 4:32pm » |
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I saw this story, and guys like this make me sad. At the risk of sounding hypocritical, I think he should have got more than he did. Abortion - agree or disagree - no one has the right to take a life in the name of saving life, or in the name of religion.
I would not refer to him as a Christian. In my opinion, the term Christian with reference to this guy should be in quotes - at best.
on Jul 18th, 2005, 3:56pm, sandie99 wrote:| I agree: keep religion and other actions separate. |
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Ahhh...but you can't keep religion and ethics(the living out of one's beliefs) seperate. Any religion functions as a totalizing world view, and therefore influences the actions of the follower. One's actions reveal his or her religion, and his or her religion should dictate action. This is not to say anybody is perfect, it is to say that Christianity, as well as other faiths, call the believer to perform actions in accordance with the tenents of the faith. Killing people in the name of life is not one of those actions - for Christianity anyway.
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Show me one quote in the new testement where it says its ok to kill and Ill show you 50 from the Koran. People have abused religion since the dawn of time, power currupts, and religion is power.
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Re: Rudolph
« Reply #9 on: Jul 18th, 2005, 5:06pm » |
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on Jul 18th, 2005, 2:39pm, vig wrote:
fundamentalism in any religion is dangerous.
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I don't think funadmentalism is the proper word for these crazies, I don't care what side they are on, Christian or not, extremists maybe but not fundamentalists.
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Re: Rudolph
« Reply #10 on: Jul 18th, 2005, 5:08pm » |
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THANK you Thomas! I was struggling with the word "fundamentalists" too. To me, fundamentalism is basic doctrine. And this crap sure ain't basic Christian doctrine! Extremist is a much better way to describe it. I think Vig was right the first time in calling this piece of work a terrorist!
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Re: Rudolph
« Reply #11 on: Jul 18th, 2005, 5:08pm » |
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on Jul 18th, 2005, 5:06pm, thomas wrote:
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That's the saddest part...I like to think that God feels there shouldn't be any "sides".
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Re: Rudolph
« Reply #12 on: Jul 18th, 2005, 5:12pm » |
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on Jul 18th, 2005, 4:32pm, clarence wrote:
I would not refer to him as a Christian. In my opinion, the term Christian with reference to this guy should be in quotes - at best.
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I agree there too, but imagine if you were Islamic....
Could you see yourself saying the same thing about the terrorists?
It's the fundamentlist part, not the religion.
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This is also the same guy that did the Olympic bombing, how was that anti-abortion? The guy got his jollys off hurting people and found a cause to hide behind. I wouldnt even call him an extremist.
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Re: Rudolph
« Reply #14 on: Jul 18th, 2005, 5:18pm » |
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on Jul 18th, 2005, 5:12pm, maffumatt wrote:| This is also the same guy that did the Olympic bombing, how was that anti-abortion? The guy got his jollys off hurting people and found a cause to hide behind. I wouldnt even call him an extremist. |
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from Eric himself:
"..., the purpose of the attack on July 27 (at the Olympics) was to confound, anger and embarrass the Washington government in the eyes of the world for its abominable sanctioning of abortion on demand."
pretty twisted.
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Re: Rudolph
« Reply #15 on: Jul 18th, 2005, 5:23pm » |
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on Jul 18th, 2005, 5:08pm, nani wrote:
That's the saddest part...I like to think that God feels there shouldn't be any "sides".
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Paul and I were talking about this very thing off the board today. I believe my words to him were that God is probably saying "keep it up, Buttercup, you ain't EVER coming to the table that I'M preparing for you!" (or words to that effect anyway). He, and He alone, will decide these extremists'/terrorists' fates WAY better than anyone here on earth can.
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pretty twisted indeed, never heard that quote. No matter your political or religious beliefs, this guy is a terrorist and needs to treated as such.
edited to add........I agree Margi.......
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Re: Rudolph
« Reply #17 on: Jul 18th, 2005, 5:34pm » |
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Yes, perhaps "sides" was the incorrect word choice. I think a little "fundamentalism" of any kind would do us all a little good. Pushing the envelope and bending the rules to suit individual wants and desires leads to trouble, no matter what rules or laws we are talking about, would you want to play poker at a table where the rules change depending on who's winning and who's losing? Just some food for thought. I don't believe killing is the answer, unless it is used as punishment for capital offenses. Islam is a very peaceful, inclusive religion, fudamentally. It's the whack-jobs that give it a bad name, same as over here. But the term whacko is used much too often with out merit when referencing American Christians. IMHO.
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I have to disagree. It is only a peaceful religion if you are a Muslim, not only that but if you are from a particular sect. There are a couple quotes that are touted that it a peacefull religion, when the vast majority of the Koran is the exact opposite.
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Re: Rudolph
« Reply #19 on: Jul 18th, 2005, 5:45pm » |
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alright, I'll go with "whack-jobs"!
though I think Religious Extremist is probably the right one.
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Re: Rudolph
« Reply #20 on: Jul 18th, 2005, 5:55pm » |
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on Jul 18th, 2005, 5:45pm, maffumatt wrote:| I have to disagree. It is only a peaceful religion if you are a Muslim, not only that but if you are from a particular sect. There are a couple quotes that are touted that it a peacefull religion, when the vast majority of the Koran is the exact opposite. |
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The Bible has plenty of killing for God as well, but we are supposed to be peaceful as Christians.
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on Jul 18th, 2005, 5:55pm, thomas wrote:
The Bible has plenty of killing for God as well, but we are supposed to be peaceful as Christians. |
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Show me where in the new testament where it says to kill for God.
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Re: Rudolph
« Reply #22 on: Jul 18th, 2005, 6:00pm » |
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It wasn't your use of the word "sides" that I mean, T. Just that religion IMHO has created a divisiveness among us that God did not intend. In many ways, organized religion has gotten our minds off the Big Picture and created havoc. It's about our personal relationship with God and our responsibility to live "right" in the most basic way. You know, that long lost Golden Rule idea....
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Re: Rudolph
« Reply #23 on: Jul 18th, 2005, 6:04pm » |
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on Jul 18th, 2005, 5:57pm, maffumatt wrote:
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The New Testament? or the Bible?
See?
We even have our own sects?
(not sex, ya pervs)
and I think, on the whole, that CHristians are better at not killing than the Islamic extremists...
(they might be bigger pervs though)
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The New Testament
The use of this book is what makes us differ from the Jews, and is what makes us Christians. For centuries Christians were considered a sect of Judiasiam.
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