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For anyone who can, go to the OUCH-UK website and read Mike Pollock's remarks about American servicemen under the "Non-CH" category "Saddened by American Actions". We need to show support for our men and women in uniform and not allow them to be trashed. Thanks.
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Re: OUTRAGE!
« Reply #1 on: Jul 12th, 2005, 9:19pm » |
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John------
I do not think Mike was all out attacking our troops. He was disturbed by the fact that the US Air Force troops in the UK were told to stay out of London.
The Air Force said they were late in removing the all-clear.
I really don't think he is being all anti-military, and it isn't very kind to portray it that way!
JMHO,
Carrie
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hdido
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Let the people decide. Not ONE OUCH-UK member objected to Mike's post...sad.
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Re: OUTRAGE!
« Reply #3 on: Jul 12th, 2005, 9:33pm » |
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how about a link!?
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You've got to be a member of OUCH-UK to get into the Members Board, but the address is www.ouch.uk.org I'm not that computer savvy, but Jonny is a member and maybe he can work something up so that others can read the disgusting post.
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Re: OUTRAGE!
« Reply #5 on: Jul 12th, 2005, 9:55pm » |
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I can't get into the post.
Can you copy and paste? Here is how: Put the cursor at the beginning of the post, hold the shift key down, and then click on the bottom of the post. (You can now release the shift key) The whole thing should highlight. Now hold the control key down, and hit the "C" key. Now come here, and click on reply. When you get to the reply window, hold down the control key, and then hit the "V" key, and the whole post should show up here.
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Re: OUTRAGE!
« Reply #6 on: Jul 12th, 2005, 10:01pm » |
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on Jul 12th, 2005, 9:55pm, ClusterChuck wrote:I can't get into the post.
Can you copy and paste? Here is how: Put the cursor at the beginning of the post, hold the shift key down, and then click on the bottom of the post. (You can now release the shift key) The whole thing should highlight. Now hold the control key down, and hit the "C" key. Now come here, and click on reply. When you get to the reply window, hold down the control key, and then hit the "V" key, and the whole post should show up here. |
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If Pollock has an issue with us, invite him to CH.com for some tea and crumpets, we'd love to chat with him 
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hdido
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Here is Pollock's post.....anyone else find it insulting to our Servicemen and Women?
"Isn't is sad that all UK based American airmen who are based in The Uk were told that they shouldn't go within 15 miles of central London (within M25) Makes you wonder if one of their bases had been bombed over here would they have decided to go home. As a great lover of America and its people, having been there many times, it does make you doubt their sincerity"
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Here is another one from him...bastard!
"By saying, don't travel, was exactly what the bombers wanted. I remember after 9/11 the American government understandably stopped all air traffic over NY, however they encouraged the public to go back to show the bombers there they were not afraid. Double standards or what?"
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Re: OUTRAGE!
« Reply #10 on: Jul 12th, 2005, 10:30pm » |
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John....you really are taking this out of context.
Please, take a deep breath.
It's been a long and terrible day, and I don't have the time or energy right now to copy and paste every single post.
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I'm sure the servicemen were ready and willing, the delay was more than likely caused by talks from both country's on what to do and how to handle it properly.
The U.S. and great Britain are one, let there be no confusion.
Sean..........................
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hdido
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I think the sentiments expressed are very clear and not taken out of context...we are owed an apology.
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hdido
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No quarrel with that, Sean-at least most of us are together on this situation. I am writing of one Brit and no one objected to the post and no apology was offered except a "sort of" apology and then the last post was put on the thread....no excuses.
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Re: OUTRAGE!
« Reply #14 on: Jul 12th, 2005, 10:40pm » |
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Seems to me that he has an issue with "policy" not service people. He doesn't owe us anything....
free speech, remember. Can ya imagine if everyone who ever criticized France on this board had to apologize on a MB in France? Puhleeez....
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on Jul 12th, 2005, 10:34pm, hdido wrote:| I think the sentiments expressed are very clear and not taken out of context...we are owed an apology. |
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I think the Belgian is being a tad too sensitive. When I heard that US troops were told to keep out of London, the first question that came to mind was "Do they have information that another strike is imminent, or are they over-reacting to an isolated event?" If there was information that another attack was about to happen, then the public should be alerted; if not, then why restrict movement and let the terrorists affect your life?
Quote:Personnel, most of them from US Air Force units at RAF Mildenhall and RAF Lakenheath, in Suffolk, were told last week not to go within the M25 motorway.
But there was criticism that it sent out the wrong signals at a time when the emphasis was on "business as usual" in London after the attacks.
The US embassy said the order had been reviewed and had now been lifted.
The Commander of US Forces in Europe, General James L. Jones, based at Mons in Belgium, said in a statement: "[We have] lifted all travel restrictions for US personnel stationed in the United Kingdom.
"While all personnel are encouraged to be vigilant, we cannot allow ourselves to be intimidated by the acts of terrorists. All US personnel are encouraged to continue with their normal routine."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4673987.stm
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Explanation 1: the policy was put in place as reaction, and while it seemed to make sense at the time, was evaluated and adjusted.
Explanation 2: the US military has given in to the criticism of a few people who are out to split the trans-atlantic alliance.
Occam's razor says that the first explanation is probably right.
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I'm sure that the commander received orders not to allow US troops into London...the Brits told people to stay away...free speech works both ways and I think that the language used about US troops was insulting, virtually calling them cowards..I can't accept that. Had someone posted similar sentiments about British troops or police on the OUCH board, his/her would have been called for...yes, I am sensitive to such unjustified criticism especially when it is repeated twice, the second time after the facts were explained.
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Re: OUTRAGE!
« Reply #17 on: Jul 12th, 2005, 11:15pm » |
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on Jul 12th, 2005, 10:27pm, hdido wrote:| "By saying, don't travel, was exactly what the bombers wanted. I remember after 9/11 the American government understandably stopped all air traffic over NY, however they encouraged the public to go back to show the bombers there they were not afraid. Double standards or what?" |
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I worked for an airline and we had a bomb threat called into the office at that time. Yes, we were told to leave as a concern for safety shutting down operations temporarily. The police with dogs came and it was clean. I was the first to go right back in for "business as usual", it just made sense, fuck being intimidated I say, I trust the dogs. Though it was a different situation, there were mixed feelings for many at the time.
As for "a concern for safety" and then "business as usual" being a double standard, it's only an opinion.
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Re: OUTRAGE!
« Reply #18 on: Jul 13th, 2005, 4:38am » |
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He probably got it from this story.
The Conservative MP Andrew Robathan condemned the ban, saying: "I would have hoped our American allies could show a little more courage.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondon/story/0,16132,1526894,00.html?g usrc=rss
The number one priority is to protect the base and personnel not help provide money for the local economy. The base may have went to OPPCON Delta. That restricts the movement of administrative personnel but can be expanded at the base commanders discretion.
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Re: OUTRAGE!
« Reply #19 on: Jul 13th, 2005, 4:42am » |
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John,
Mikes issue as as most have said here with regards to Policy and the Commanders decisions to restrict the movements of the US off duty military!
What he said was not an attack on the US Troops!
I've read re read read and then replied to YOUR post!!!
Scott
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Re: OUTRAGE!
« Reply #20 on: Jul 13th, 2005, 5:28am » |
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I agree, it doesn't seem to be anything to be upset about. The base commander was following set procedures after a terrorist attack and the restriction on movement order has been lifted.
It's now a non-issue.
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I agree with you totally, Topical. Our troops were not needed for any tactical assistance and a commander's most important mission is to protect his troops. The Brits asked everyone to stay out of London. What kind of "courage" did that MP want, did Mike want, a dead American servicemember? As for you, Scotty boy, go blow your bagpipes when you sober up.
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Re: OUTRAGE!
« Reply #22 on: Jul 13th, 2005, 5:45am » |
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Quote:| Isn't is sad that all UK based American airmen who are based in The Uk were told that they shouldn't go within 15 miles of central London (within M25) Makes you wonder if one of their bases had been bombed over here would they have decided to go home. As a great lover of America and its people, having been there many times, it does make you doubt their sincerity |
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John,
You really are one sad, sick person. I have not , and never would suggest that the American Service men were cowards. Indeed I have also pointed out my genuine affection for Americans. They were, as I stated above "told" to stay out of London. I would seriously suggest that you get some treatment as soon as possible.
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Re: OUTRAGE!
« Reply #24 on: Jul 13th, 2005, 7:20am » |
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Quote:| What kind of "courage" did that MP want, did Mike want, a dead American servicemember? As for you, Scotty boy, go blow your bagpipes when you sober up. |
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John,
Mike didn't want a dead serviceman in fact WE brits along with all the War on Terror Allies would have prefered ZERO! dead ZERO wounded! be then Forces or Civilians! The courage was not to put themselves in danger but for ALL our armed forces to show to the public that THEY are not afraid! (WHO in there right mind would need to be ordered NOT to go to an area currently under attack??)
John,
As I've said before the only people who call me 'boy' are my family and my friends my pipe major! all people who respect me and I respect them Scottyboy is a term of endearment! which I would prefer YOU didn't use!
Before Flaming people here or on the UK board! think mate
Scott
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