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1st Eminent Domain Casualty after ruling
« on: Jun 28th, 2005, 1:27pm » |
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FREEPORT TEXAS WASTES NO TIME
Well, let's give credit to the Mayor and city officials of Freeport, Texas. They sure recognize an opportunity when it presents itself. These political predators didn't wait 24 hours after the Supreme Court's eminent domain decision before they struck .. .with a vengeance.
Freeport officials have now ordered their city attorneys to prepare the documents to seize three pieces of waterfront property owned by two seafood companies. One of the seafood companies, a shrimp processing plant that has been there for well over 50 years, will have to cease business and close. While the seafood company owners are frowning, there's a big smile on the face of Dallas developer Hiram Walker Royall. He can now use the government to seize some property from a private landowner, and then buy that property from Freeport for a lot less than he would have had to pay the private owners. He'll then get to proceed with his plan for a nice privately owned marina.
Only in America --- thanks to our Supreme Court.
more... http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/business/3240725
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Re: 1st Eminent Domain Casualty after ruling
« Reply #1 on: Jun 28th, 2005, 1:51pm » |
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Re: 1st Eminent Domain Casualty after ruling
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Re: 1st Eminent Domain Casualty after ruling
« Reply #3 on: Jun 28th, 2005, 2:07pm » |
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 I'm now officially sick. Mean people Corporations suck!
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Re: 1st Eminent Domain Casualty after ruling
« Reply #4 on: Jun 28th, 2005, 3:00pm » |
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on Jun 28th, 2005, 1:59pm, aprilbee wrote:
Don't be so quick to roll your eyes, April. There are only eight states in the country that have laws preventing or seriously limiting eminent domain abuse. Oklahoma ain't one of them. You could be served notice tomorrow that your home is going to be taken away from you and given to WalMart - who is a MAJOR offender in the E.D. abuse cases along with Sams, Costco and then there's the land developers. No one is safe in their homes any more and it's going to get much worse before (if ever) it gets better.
US Senator Imhofe, US Congressman Lucas, State Senator Coburn and State Congresswoman Denney have already received letters telling them my feelings on the matter.
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Re: 1st Eminent Domain Casualty after ruling
« Reply #5 on: Jun 28th, 2005, 3:12pm » |
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Absolutely incredible.
Mean corporations do suck...but remember that it is people that run those corporations, and it is capitalism that drives those people. Its all about money.
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Re: 1st Eminent Domain Casualty after ruling
« Reply #6 on: Jun 28th, 2005, 3:18pm » |
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Eminent domain is supposed to be used to convert private property into public property, with just/fair compensation. Generally speaking, this newly-public property is used for purposes that benefit societal infrastructure (roads, utilities, etc).
Now the need/want for private economic development is sufficient for use of eminent domain.
This entire situation is highly disturbing.
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Re: 1st Eminent Domain Casualty after ruling
« Reply #7 on: Jun 28th, 2005, 3:20pm » |
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on Jun 28th, 2005, 3:12pm, clarence wrote:Absolutely incredible.
Mean corporations do suck...but remember that it is people that run those corporations, and it is capitalism that drives those people. Its all about money.
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You expect a corporation to try to get away with this. You don't expect the nation's highest court to rule that private property rights established over 200 years ago are null and void because someone wants to build a friggin hotel.
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Re: 1st Eminent Domain Casualty after ruling
« Reply #8 on: Jun 28th, 2005, 3:24pm » |
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Put the blame where it belongs - the Supreme Court. Liberal leaning judges voted for this ruling and conservative against.
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Re: 1st Eminent Domain Casualty after ruling
« Reply #9 on: Jun 28th, 2005, 3:31pm » |
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on Jun 28th, 2005, 3:20pm, Gator wrote:
You expect a corporation to try to get away with this. You don't expect the nation's highest court to rule that private property rights established over 200 years ago are null and void because someone wants to build a friggin hotel.
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True true.
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Re: 1st Eminent Domain Casualty after ruling
« Reply #10 on: Jun 28th, 2005, 3:46pm » |
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http://www.freestarmedia.com/hotellostliberty2.html
Weare, New Hampshire (PRWEB) Could a hotel be built on the land owned by Supreme Court Justice David H. Souter? A new ruling by the Supreme Court which was supported by Justice Souter himself itself might allow it. A private developer is seeking to use this very law to build a hotel on Souter's land.
Justice Souter's vote in the "Kelo vs. City of New London" decision allows city governments to take land from one private owner and give it to another if the government will generate greater tax revenue or other economic benefits when the land is developed by the new owner.
On Monday June 27, Logan Darrow Clements, faxed a request to Chip Meany the code enforcement officer of the Towne of Weare, New Hampshire seeking to start the application process to build a hotel on 34 Cilley Hill Road. This is the present location of Mr. Souter's home.
Clements, CEO of Freestar Media, LLC, points out that the City of Weare will certainly gain greater tax revenue and economic benefits with a hotel on 34 Cilley Hill Road than allowing Mr. Souter to own the land.
The proposed development, called "The Lost Liberty Hotel" will feature the "Just Desserts Café" and include a museum, open to the public, featuring a permanent exhibit on the loss of freedom in America. Instead of a Gideon's Bible each guest will receive a free copy of Ayn Rand's novel "Atlas Shrugged."
Clements indicated that the hotel must be built on this particular piece of land because it is a unique site being the home of someone largely responsible for destroying property rights for all Americans.
"This is not a prank" said Clements, "The Towne of Weare has five people on the Board of Selectmen. If three of them vote to use the power of eminent domain to take this land from Mr. Souter we can begin our hotel development."
Clements' plan is to raise investment capital from wealthy pro-liberty investors and draw up architectural plans. These plans would then be used to raise investment capital for the project. Clements hopes that regular customers of the hotel might include supporters of the Institute For Justice and participants in the Free State Project among others.
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Re: 1st Eminent Domain Casualty after ruling
« Reply #11 on: Jun 28th, 2005, 3:58pm » |
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I think this is an absolutely BRILLIANT idea and a very necessary monument to this courts's ruling. It could also be the catalyst necessary to get the decision overturned. If another case like this reaches the Supreme Court, they can overturn this decision and restore the 5th amendment.
Hey, I can dream, right?
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Re: 1st Eminent Domain Casualty after ruling
« Reply #12 on: Jun 28th, 2005, 4:01pm » |
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Ghost you rock!---This is great news in light of the tragedy. A silver lining, if you will.
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Re: 1st Eminent Domain Casualty after ruling
« Reply #13 on: Jun 28th, 2005, 4:38pm » |
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If everyone hasn't already written and called their Federal and State Reps/Senators - GET IT DONE. - The individual right to own property has been stolen by the Supreme Court.
This is only the beginning of the greatest corportate land grab in history.
Don't sit back an do nothing about this one because we've been pushed into Communism.
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Re: 1st Eminent Domain Casualty after ruling
« Reply #14 on: Jun 28th, 2005, 7:16pm » |
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Um, I dont really watch any "news" anymore cause the news in america has been cancelled, but i thought it was Congress that passed that law. Then yesterday it was the supreme court ruling on the 10 commandments thing.
Maybe I'm wrong. Too bad the news has been cancelled in favor of biased political agendas and crap. Does anyone care about the runaway bride? Michael Jackson on molestation case # what? The Pope-A-Palooza? Does anyone really care about this while the mastermind of 9/11 is still at large and American soldiers die daily and aren't even looking for him?
The news has been cancelled.
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Re: 1st Eminent Domain Casualty after ruling
« Reply #15 on: Jun 28th, 2005, 7:21pm » |
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Oh, and by the way, isnt this fascism?
Fascism is the combining of corporate and government interests, right? So the judicial body of the US gov't voted to help the corporations, or the wealthy to get even richer. Now, the big corporations and the wealthy elite are in bed with the government to squeeze the middle class even more.
If i want to buy some property, i have to pay full price for it. If an extremely rich person wants to buy land to build an investment, the Gov't just made it possible to purchase that land at a greatly reduced cost.
Go figure.
Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?
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Re: 1st Eminent Domain Casualty after ruling
« Reply #16 on: Jun 28th, 2005, 8:14pm » |
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Good posts kids.
The thing is Liz that this ruling has taken away the idea that ED has to make sense or be somewhere near the ballpark of fairness.
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Re: 1st Eminent Domain Casualty after ruling
« Reply #17 on: Jun 28th, 2005, 8:48pm » |
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The question is what is everyone doing about it?
One of the most important rights in a free Republic - and one the The Founding Fathers fought a revolution over is the right of individuals to own property.
5 Supreme court Justices just eliminated this right and made new law by interpreting 'taken for Public Use' in the 5th Amendment as 'taken for Private Purposes' if it increases the tax base.
Don't just worry about corporations - worry about idiot neighbors and local politicians who would rather see 20 new homes next to them instead of the 10 wooded acres or family farm you own and love. If they - have the money you're gone.
Now here's the kicker - New London residents correctly argued that the so-called financially beneficial development is in fact losing money = no benefit. So the Justices also decided that developers need only show potential for financial benefit - the fact that the development may never be profitable is not relevent.
The Government now owns all lands and can evict any citizen(s) at any time. In the justice system Local Government is always considered acting in good faith. If landowner’s do not want to leave or receive unfair offers they often lose more fighting a system with rules stacked against citizens.
The floodgates are wide open for abuse through corruption, greed, and by local officials that simply don’t like you.
This is a serious decision that every American needs to take very seriously and find a way to get involved to reverse it.
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Re: 1st Eminent Domain Casualty after ruling
« Reply #18 on: Jun 28th, 2005, 9:21pm » |
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i dont believe its an issue to prevent people from owning property. Its just to allow lobbyists and wealthy people the right to force a person to sell prime real estate for substantially lower than market value.
This is just like when the USA built its highway, bridge and tunnel system. If they wanted to build a highway right through your front lawn, they paid you $1 to purchase your land, then you had to fight a court battle to get fair market value for your land, but the legal fees bankrupted people.
This is more geared toward the corporate interests and the wealthy. The gov't can force you to sell your land for dirt cheap, then they sell it to a developer, lobbyist or wealthy donor. This has nothing to do with government interests. Its has to do with continuing to help the wealthy.
Like Thom Hartmann says "people think they make a couple hundred thousand a year and think they are rich, but you gotta be a multi millionaire, or billionaire before the republicans really take care of you". How true that is.
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Re: 1st Eminent Domain Casualty after ruling
« Reply #19 on: Jun 28th, 2005, 10:16pm » |
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on Jun 28th, 2005, 9:21pm, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:i dont believe its an issue to prevent people from owning property. Its just to allow lobbyists and wealthy people the right to force a person to sell prime real estate for substantially lower than market value.
This is just like when the USA built its highway, bridge and tunnel system. If they wanted to build a highway right through your front lawn, they paid you $1 to purchase your land, then you had to fight a court battle to get fair market value for your land, but the legal fees bankrupted people.
This is more geared toward the corporate interests and the wealthy. The gov't can force you to sell your land for dirt cheap, then they sell it to a developer, lobbyist or wealthy donor. This has nothing to do with government interests. Its has to do with continuing to help the wealthy.
Like Thom Hartmann says "people think they make a couple hundred thousand a year and think they are rich, but you gotta be a multi millionaire, or billionaire before the republicans really take care of you". How true that is.
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Wealthy is a revelent term - there are weathy in big cities and wealthy in rural communities. They just happen to occupy every seat in the U.S. Senate and House, nearly every seat in every state governent and most seats in local government.
My land is not for sale to any private developer for any amount. Regardless - if "Houses "R" US" wants it they can now negatiate a price with local government, hand me a check and my family has to leave - How is this not preventing individuals from owning property?
What if the "Prime Property" is a family's 200 year old farm with a house built in 1849 where generations were raised? A developer can now steal the property through the local govenment and evict the family. How is that not preventing individuals from owning property?
A small long standing community of well maintained houses is located on a penninsula jutting out into a river. A developer can now steal the properties through local government, evict residents and build endless ugly condos. How is that not preventing individuals from owning property?
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Re: 1st Eminent Domain Casualty after ruling
« Reply #20 on: Jun 28th, 2005, 10:53pm » |
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People can buy any property that is for sale. In all the cases you mentioned, people owned property, and after the government steals it and gives it to a developer, they will still go purchase a different property. If you are unlucky enough to get screwed by the government that is for the people by the people, you can just go purchase some more property.
I sincerely hope that as referenced in this thread earlier, that developer gets Souter's home and turns it into a hotel. That would be great Karma. And i sincerely hope that Souter loves that home with all his heart and it has tremendous sentimental value and gets knocked with a wrecking ball.
Talk about eating your own dog food
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Re: 1st Eminent Domain Casualty after ruling
« Reply #21 on: Jun 28th, 2005, 11:00pm » |
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on Jun 28th, 2005, 8:48pm, burnt-toast wrote:
The Government now owns all lands and can evict any citizen(s)it's subjects at any time.
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Here, I corrected this line for you. When the government has this much control, we are no longer citizens.
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Re: 1st Eminent Domain Casualty after ruling
« Reply #22 on: Jun 29th, 2005, 1:18am » |
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on Jun 28th, 2005, 11:00pm, Gator wrote:
When the government has this much control, we are no longer citizens.
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You're absolutely right - What was I thinking? Hard to grasp the concept of no longer living in a free Republic.
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Re: 1st Eminent Domain Casualty after ruling
« Reply #23 on: Jun 29th, 2005, 8:35am » |
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Another twist on the proposed hotel would be to submit a request to the National Park Service to have Mr. Souter's house placed on the Historic Registry.
The developer could include the building in the Master Plan and obtain tax credits from the government to assist in the financing of the project.
"Live Free or Die".... How ironic!
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Re: 1st Eminent Domain Casualty after ruling
« Reply #24 on: Jun 29th, 2005, 9:04am » |
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on Jun 28th, 2005, 7:21pm, BMoneeTheMoneeMan wrote:
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