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So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
« on: Jun 27th, 2005, 9:08pm » |
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About the use of Lithium and other mind-and chemical altering substances that clusterheads use to avoid suicide?
Despite the fact he's a damned good actor, the guy is pissing me off with all his blather about drugs.
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« Reply #1 on: Jun 27th, 2005, 9:12pm » |
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All I know about Tom Cruise is he likes jumping up and down on Oprahs couch.
Beyond that I put as much intellectual stock in him as I would in a pile of mashed potatoes.
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Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
« Reply #2 on: Jun 27th, 2005, 9:13pm » |
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I was wondering if someone was going to mention that! I think he's looney.
What would be really sweet is if they end up admitting him to a psychiatric facility! haha
Great actor, but man....the stuff he is saying, in my mind - it's just irrational and really out there!
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Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
« Reply #3 on: Jun 27th, 2005, 9:15pm » |
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Quote:We asked Cruise to explain his recent comments regarding Brooke Shields. Cruise created a firestorm when he criticized Shields for revealing that she went into therapy and took antidepressants to deal with her postpartum depression. Cruise has said that, as a Scientologist, he doesn't believe in psychiatric medicine.
Cruise: I've never agreed with psychiatry, ever. Before I was a Scientologist I never agreed with psychiatry. And when I started studying the history of psychiatry, I understood more and more why I didn't believe in psychology.
And as far as the Brooke Shields thing, look, you got to understand, I really care about Brooke Shields. I think, here's a wonderful and talented woman. And I want to see her do well. And I know that psychiatry is a pseudo science.
Lauer: But Tom, if she said that this particular thing helped her feel better, whether it was the antidepressants or going to a counselor or psychiatrist, isn't that enough?
Cruise: Matt, you have to understand this. Here we are today, where I talk out against drugs and psychiatric abuses of electric shocking people, okay, against their will, of drugging children with them not knowing the effects of these drugs. Do you know what Aderol is? Do you know Ritalin? Do you know now that Ritalin is a street drug? Do you understand that?
Lauer: The difference is —
Cruise: No, no, Matt.
Lauer: This wasn't against her will, though.
Cruise: Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt —
Lauer: But this wasn't against her will.
Cruise: Matt, I'm asking you a question.
Lauer: I understand there's abuse of all of these things.
Cruise: No, you see. Here's the problem. You don't know the history of psychiatry. I do.
Lauer: Aren't there examples, and might not Brooke Shields be an example, of someone who benefited from one of those drugs?
Cruise: All it does is mask the problem, Matt. And if you understand the history of it, it masks the problem. That's what it does. That's all it does. You're not getting to the reason why. There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance.
Lauer: So, postpartum depression to you is kind of a little psychological gobbledygook —
Cruise: No. I did not say that.
Lauer: I'm just asking what you, what would you call it?
Cruise: No. No. Abso— Matt, now you're talking about two different things.
Lauer: But that's what she went on the antidepressant for.
Cruise: But what happens, the antidepressant, all it does is mask the problem. There's ways, [with] vitamins and through exercise and various things... I'm not saying that that isn't real. That's not what I'm saying. That's an alteration of what I'm saying. I'm saying that drugs aren't the answer, these drugs are very dangerous. They're mind-altering, antipsychotic drugs. And there are ways of doing it without that so that we don't end up in a brave new world. The thing that I'm saying about Brooke is that there's misinformation, okay. And she doesn't understand the history of psychiatry. She doesn't understand in the same way that you don't understand it, Matt.
Lauer: But a little bit of what you're saying Tom is, you say you want people to do well. But you want them do to well by taking the road that you approve of, as opposed to a road that may work for them.
Cruise: No, no, I'm not.
Lauer: Well, if antidepressants work for Brooke Shields, why isn't that okay?
Cruise: I disagree with it. And I think that there's a higher and better quality of life. And I think that, promoting — for me personally, see, you're saying what, I can't discuss what I wanna discuss?
Lauer: No. You absolutely can. |
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Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
« Reply #4 on: Jun 27th, 2005, 9:16pm » |
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Cruise: I know. But Matt, you're going in and saying that, that I can't discuss this.
Lauer: I'm only asking, isn't there a possibility that — do you examine the possibility that these things do work for some people? That yes, there are abuses. And yes, maybe they've gone too far in certain areas. Maybe there are too many kids on Ritalin. Maybe electric shock —
Cruise: Too many kids on Ritalin? Matt.
Lauer: I'm just saying. But aren't there examples where it works?
Cruise: Matt. Matt, Matt, you don't even — you're glib. You don't even know what Ritalin is. If you start talking about chemical imbalance, you have to evaluate and read the research papers on how they came up with these theories, Matt, okay? That's what I've done. Then you go and you say where's the medical test? Where's the blood test that says how much Ritalin you're supposed to get?
Lauer: It's very impressive to listen to you. Because clearly, you've done the homework. And you know the subject.
Cruise: And you should. And you should do that also. Because just knowing people who are on Ritalin isn't enough. You should be a little bit more responsible in knowing really —
Lauer: I'm not prescribing Ritalin, Tom. And I'm not asking anyone else to do it. I'm simply saying, I know some people who seem to have been helped by it.
Cruise: But you're saying this is a very important issue.
Lauer: I couldn't agree more.
Cruise: It's very — and you know what? You're here on the "Today" show.
Lauer: Right.
Cruise: And to talk about it in a way of saying, "Well, isn't it okay," and being reasonable about it when you don't know and I do, I think that you should be a little bit more responsible in knowing what it is.
Lauer: But —
Cruise: Because you communicate to people.
Lauer: But you're now telling me that your experiences with the people I know, which are zero, are more important than my experiences.
Cruise: What do you mean by that?
Lauer: You're telling me what's worked for people I know or hasn't worked for people I know. I'm telling you, I’ve lived with these people and they're better.
Cruise: So, you're advocating it.
Lauer: I am not. I'm telling you in their case, in their individual case, it worked. I am not gonna go out and say, "Get your kids on Ritalin. It's the cure-all and the end-all."
Cruise: Matt, but here's the point. What is the ideal scene for life? Okay. The ideal scene is someone not having to take antipsychotic drugs.
Lauer: I would agree.
Cruise: Okay. So, now you look at a departure from that ideal scene, is someone taking drugs, okay. And then you go, okay. What is the theory and the science behind that, that justifies that?
Lauer: Let me take this more general, because I think you and I can go around in circles on this for awhile. And I respect your opinion. Do you want more people to understand Scientology? Would that be a goal of yours?
Cruise: You know what? Absolutely. Of course, you know.
Lauer: How do you go about that?
Cruise: You just communicate about it. And the important thing is, like you and I talk about it, whether it's okay, if I want to know something, I go and find out. Because I don't talk about things that I don't understand. I'll say, you know what? I'm not so sure about that. I'll go find more information about it so I can come to an opinion based on the information that I have.
Lauer: You're so passionate about it.
Cruise: I'm passionate about learning. I'm passionate about life, Matt. |
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Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
« Reply #5 on: Jun 27th, 2005, 9:21pm » |
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Retarded little non-talent midget ass-clown turd-burgling pole-smoking cult-shilling vapid empty-headed "beard"-sporting sh!thead, who behaves like a cross between a crack-addled spider-monkey and a towel-flicking college locker-room jock. His star is falling fast, and his murderous, felonious cult is an anchor around his worthless neck.
Other than that, I really like the guy and I'd be most interested in his supremely enlightened point of view. 
(But wait! Let me tell you how I REALLY feel!) 
And hey: Wake up, people!! He's NOT a great actor!! He can't act his way out of a wet paper sack! He's ruined every movie he's been in, with the possible exception of, "The Firm."
In every single movie, he's more stilted and unbelievable than Keanu Reeves! "Interview With The Vampire," anyone? ANYONE? Pfffffft....
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Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
« Reply #6 on: Jun 27th, 2005, 9:25pm » |
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Yep - Cruise could definitely benefit from a little Lithium therapy.... That whole Oprah's couch thing really freaked me out! I think he must be in his manic phase.
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Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
« Reply #7 on: Jun 27th, 2005, 9:30pm » |
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I hear you, Frank.
In fact, in the movie "Collateral" I think he was at his stilted best.
I wonder about Katie ... does she have any idea what she's getting into? Or is she just as wierd as he is?
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« Reply #8 on: Jun 27th, 2005, 9:31pm » |
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And when he dies of pshincteral cancer from being such a tight assed twit, all his pleadings will get him so far into the gates of *heaven* as the camel threw the eye of a needle.
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Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
« Reply #9 on: Jun 27th, 2005, 9:42pm » |
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I like Tom Cruise, so sue me. And although he may not be going about his proselytizing in an effective way, some of L. Ron Hubbard's ideas that he put forth in his Dianetics writings are at least thought provoking. You might want to do some reading before you do a book burning. 
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« Reply #10 on: Jun 27th, 2005, 9:45pm » |
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Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
« Reply #11 on: Jun 27th, 2005, 9:50pm » |
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No book burning intended here. My only thought in starting this thread was that many of of meds used to treat clusters are the meds this guy tends to abhor.
I realize he's talking in psychiatric terms, but he obviously isnt't fully knowledgeable about what other good these meds might do for people with other syndromes.
Can't speak to psychiatric use of these drugs, because I've never needed them I just know how some of them help our fellow cluster sufferers. And, I also tend to think that Tom Cruise is talking out of his ass! He speaks like an expert, but really "knows" nothing about which he speaks.
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Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
« Reply #12 on: Jun 27th, 2005, 10:07pm » |
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Well, if clusters turn out to be about extra grey matter, which makes this a physiological thing, it's not quite the same as anti-psychotic drugs to fix a non-existant chemical inbalance.
There are a lot of psychiatrists who think that the American public is over-medicated, including kids. Medications for the brain are very powerful and potentially very dangerous. I think prescription drugs are best used for serious intervention of serious conditions or trauma. I happen to believe that the human body can heal itself if the problem isn't physiological to begin with. I don't know all that much about Scientology, but I do have a strong notion of our minds' power to make us sick.
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Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
« Reply #13 on: Jun 27th, 2005, 10:10pm » |
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"There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance."
He called Ritalin "a street drug."
not his finest moment....
anyway, Top Gun was good, Risky Business was good...
RainMan was good... Minority Report was ok...
but Cocktail?
the Last Samurai?
Eyes Wide Shut?
Magnolia?
He also claims Scientology 'cured' his dyslexia....
The Church of Scatology and Diuretics...
(Religion is all well and good, but this one wants your money)
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Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
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Well, psychiatric drugs kept me alive. Here's another site which I've read at length...LRH is a freaking moron. Know why he started this "religion?" His quote, "want to make money? Start a religion."
http://www.xenu.net/index.html
Here's some more - actual quotes from the mighty dick.
http://www.xenu.net/archive/infopack/5.htm
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« Reply #16 on: Jun 28th, 2005, 12:01am » |
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I love Tom Cruise and think he is an excellent actor. I have seen all his movies. However, I think his religion leaves a lot to be desired.
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Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
« Reply #17 on: Jun 28th, 2005, 12:16am » |
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Well for a guy who thinks his soul resided in a Clam until he was born. He seems pretty level headed and articulate to me 
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« Reply #18 on: Jun 28th, 2005, 12:44am » |
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on Jun 28th, 2005, 12:01am, Karla wrote:| However, I think his religion leaves a lot to be desired. |
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« Reply #19 on: Jun 28th, 2005, 1:10am » |
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I don't know a thing about Scientology, so I can't comment there. I think he's a good (not really great) actor. Something that's always bothered me though:
You always here about how "nice", "sweet", "genuine" and "sincere" he is....
Am I the only one who thinks he treats women like crap? He left Mimi Rogers for Nicole. Left Nicole for Penelope...then hooks up with a girl half his age. WTF is up with that? I know, in many ways it's typical Hollywood behavior...but he's supposed to be so "different". Hmmm.....
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Re: So .... What Would Tom Cruise Say ....
« Reply #20 on: Jun 28th, 2005, 6:10am » |
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I find it odd that in this day in age, people still do not believe in chemical imbalances.
CH turning out to be physiological? So's psychiatry.
Damn that pisses me off.
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One thing that really burns my skivies...is someone who throws their "Rules to Live By" in my direction. I'm all for some good advice. But don't condemn me because I still do what I think is right for me and my family. The guy's got every right in the world to not want to take mind-altering meds. That's why we have freewill. Hell, I was told by a few Research Scientists that S.S.R.I.'s are basically pharmacological brain surgery. But just because he chooses to use non-medicinal ways to cope he should not put down someone else who takes and has obviously improved from medication for their problems...(ala Brooke Shields).
I still believe all this Tom Cruise nonsense is just free publicity that's he's taking to the bank.
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« Reply #22 on: Jun 28th, 2005, 12:43pm » |
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TC is a dick.
He speaks as if he knows what he's talking about but if you notice in the quoted Lauer segment, the best he can do is insinuate that he knows by asking questions and never answering anything directly.
The usual "Matt, do you know?? Do you understand what..." insinuating that HE knows the answers to what he's asking. He knows dick about what he speaks. He is using this opportunity to recruit new mindless lost souls into the cult, nothing more, nothing less. He's moved on to K. Holmes because so far, she's buying his crap. If she wises up like the rest, he'll move on to a 15 year old.
I followed some message boards where the Scientologistists were looking at 911 as an opportunity to spread their crap to the people of NY. They flocked to the big apple so they could "counsel" the survivors. It was a sickening feeding frenzy. What others saw as a heartbreaking tragedy, Scientologistists saw as an opportunity.
For those of you that see him as some great actor, feel free to see his movies and support his cult. His Scientologistist act is worse than his other roles because he's writing his own scripts.
But before doing so, please check out the links that Frank posted.
20 years from now he and Travolta will be locked in a room at the top of the space needle, watching their fingernails grow like Howard Hughes and waiting for the mother ship.
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« Reply #24 on: Jun 28th, 2005, 1:33pm » |
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on Jun 27th, 2005, 9:31pm, Redd715 wrote:| And when he dies of pshincteral cancer from being such a tight assed twit, all his pleadings will get him so far into the gates of *heaven* as the camel threw the eye of a needle. |
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Deep. That is deep.
I agree that Tom Crusie is not a great actor. He is good but not great. Every character is the same in every movie. [IMHO] His best work was Top Gun and A Few Good Men. Again, IMHO.
Scientology will go by way of the dildo. Oh my, a fruedian slip but rather appropriate. Like the aforementioned apparatus, it will f*ck you but in the end still be a lifeless piece plastic and rubber.
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