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The 'Hate America First' Crowd
« on: May 17th, 2005, 9:54am » |
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SOOOOO ANXIOUS TO MAKE THE U.S. LOOK BAD ....
... and people die.
Here is a sad tale of what happens when certain elements of our national news media succumb to their eagerness to make the United States look bad. Last week Newsweek magazine ran with a story that U.S. interrogators at Guantanamo in Cuba had flushed a copy of the Koran down the toilet in an effort to make detainees talk. Evidently Muslims become more than a little upset when they hear that someone is flushing their holy book down the commode ... so they did what they do best, they became violent. Big surprise, right?
Sixteen people died and over 100 were injured in the riots in Afghanistan. The actions of the American interrogators were condemned across the Middle East. A group of Afghan Muslim peace-loving clerics called for a holy war against the United States.
Uh oh. Big oops. In the issue of Newsweek coming out today we learn that Newsweek's source for the story is recanting. Now he can't be sure that he saw what he told Newsweek that he saw. At least 16 people are dead ... and the U.S. takes a PR hit, all because Newsweek ran with a story from a single source that they had not verified.
Is it possible that there are some at Newsweek who ran with the story not so much because they believed it to be true, but because they so earnestly wanted it to be true? To believe that is to believe that there are elements of the media who will go out of their way ... stretch the line just a bit ... if it means that they can get a story into print that embarrasses the Bush Administration and sets our efforts back in Iraq. Sadly .. it doesn't take that much of a stretch to believe just that.
People are now dead because of the sloppy reporting of Newsweek and its reporters. The story and its questionable origins once again prove the blame-America-first agenda of the left. In their lust for anti-American, pro-Islam propaganda, the mainstream media has taken to just making up facts.
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Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd
« Reply #1 on: May 17th, 2005, 10:16am » |
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Why do I feel right now that I should be ashamed of myself for calling myself a journalist...?
But the day that making up stories becomes the priority or publishing false stories just because they would be so great if they were the truth over the real truth ... that day is a sad day for journalism.
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Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd
« Reply #2 on: May 17th, 2005, 10:37am » |
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Well, we already KNOW that this war effort DOES include intentional humiliation of muslims.
The problem with the prison scandal was the damage to the integrity of our armed forces and interrogation efforts.
I have no real reason to believe the denial is truthful.
I have no real reason to believe it happened either.
I just know the real truth is not going to be given.
Plus, I assume it would've backed up the toilet, it's a big book isn't it? There must be plumbing records. 
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« Reply #3 on: May 17th, 2005, 1:54pm » |
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The latest thing I heard was that one of the prisoners flushed pages down the toilet in order to wreak havoc. If that is the case, it really shows how much respect these nutbags have for their own holy book. So if this is validated are the Muslims in Afghanistan going to kill each other for desecrating the Koran? Intellectual honesty is pretty much non-existant in the world today, and THAT my friends is a very sad state of affairs.
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« Reply #4 on: May 17th, 2005, 2:24pm » |
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There appears to be a senior government source attributed to the 'news'
I think it's time he was held accountable.
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« Reply #5 on: May 17th, 2005, 2:26pm » |
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on May 17th, 2005, 2:24pm, vig wrote:There appears to be a senior government source attributed to the 'news'
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Yeah, but if he is as stupid as everyone seems to want to make him out to be, it's not his fault that people are telling him the wrong information and duping him to their will.
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« Reply #6 on: May 17th, 2005, 2:34pm » |
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I'm guessing he's not stupid at all.
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« Reply #7 on: May 17th, 2005, 3:08pm » |
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Update:
Newsweek says that "there was absolutely no lapse in journalistic standards here." Some are taking Newsweek to task for that statement. As an editorial in today's Wall Street Journal says: "But if printing such an explosive allegation based on the memory of what a single, anonymous source claims he read is standard Newsweek procedure--no documents were even produced--its readers must wonder about the rest of its content too."
But .. Newsweek says that there was no lapse in journalistic standards. Before we can gauge whether or not that statement is correct we need to have some idea of just what journalistic "standards" Newsweek is measuring itself by.
Might I submit to you that the Newsweek journalistic "standards" bear close resemblance to the following:
The Bush Administration didn't rely on faulty intelligence in its move to depose Saddam Hussein; instead, Bush "lied."
Any story from an anonymous source critical of a Republican president, no matter how thinly based or weakly corroborated, must be initially believed as true and may be reported as such if deadlines are close.
Any story from an anonymous source critical of a Democratic president must be initially believed as untrue and should only be published out of a fear that some other news organization is going to publish it before you do.
Torture of Muslims is a widespread and accepted part of the U.S. military culture.
Virtually all of the detainees being held in Guantanamo are innocent and should be immediately released, perhaps with reparations payments for their incarceration.
Every action involving the U.S. military under other than a Democratic commander in chief will, within no less than 21 days, become a "quagmire."
There is no legitimate reason for the application of U.S. military force overseas under a Republican president until after the nuclear tipped missiles are actually launched.
There is no reason not to apply U.S. military force overseas under a Democratic president. (Can you say 'Monica?')
Anti-war activists are prone to tell the truth. Military officials are prone to lie.
Reporters never lie, unless they work for The Washington Times or the Fox News Channel.
America is great because of its government, so long as that government is controlled by Democrats.
If the United States government is controlled by Republicans, America is not great.
Folks may find it hard to believe but I'm not a Republican--it's just that the degree of slander and idiocy demonstrated by the left makes them (the repubs) look viable. --
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Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd
« Reply #8 on: May 17th, 2005, 3:18pm » |
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on May 17th, 2005, 3:08pm, notseinfeld wrote:Update:
America is great because of its government, so long as that government is controlled by Democrats.
If the United States government is controlled by Republicans, America is not great.
...it's just that the degree of slander and idiocy demonstrated by the left makes them (the repubs) look viable. -- |
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America IS great.
And it's the responsibility of Americans to police itself and question itself and get to the truth.
Slander and Idiocy are traits of BOTH parties as demonstrated by both Bush and Clinton administrations, throw in dishonest too, while I'm at it.
I would love to believe that no American flushed any Qu'ran down the crapper... but after watching the horror of Abu Ghirab, I can't trust what I'm told.
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Re: The 'Hate America First' Crowd
« Reply #9 on: May 17th, 2005, 3:22pm » |
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on May 17th, 2005, 3:18pm, vig wrote:| but after watching the horror of Abu Ghirab, I can't trust what I'm told. |
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Oh the horror!!!!!...LMMFAO
Tell that to Danny Pearl's family......Now thats horror!
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« Reply #10 on: May 17th, 2005, 3:24pm » |
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Yup, Jonny, that's horror too.
Only now, we can't say we're above that.
and that sucks, because we used to be able to.
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« Reply #11 on: May 17th, 2005, 3:28pm » |
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This is horror too:
www.sirgravesghastly.com/
(just a little friendly hijacking)
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« Reply #12 on: May 17th, 2005, 3:31pm » |
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Sorry bro, but I dont see putting a collar and leash on a naked dude as equal to using a dull knife to cut the head off a live civllian, filming it and showing the world.
For some reason one is just a little worse than the other
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« Reply #13 on: May 17th, 2005, 3:36pm » |
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we had Svenghoulie in Chicago...
http://www.wciu.com/whatsNewItem.asp?pub_id=783
Oh, and Jonny, no argument there, though some of the prisoners DID die from the abuse. We can be ignorant bastages too.
but you're right, if this is a contest, they win....
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« Reply #14 on: May 17th, 2005, 3:46pm » |
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on May 17th, 2005, 3:24pm, vig wrote:Yup, Jonny, that's horror too.
Only now, we can't say we're above that.
and that sucks, because we used to be able to.
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I don't recall seeing footage of any U.S. soldiers beheading Iraqi or Afghani CIVILIANS. Please provide a link to this footage and I will apologize.
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« Reply #15 on: May 17th, 2005, 3:53pm » |
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Don't apologize bro...
I'm hoping we haven't done anything like that.
but we did go and start a war, killed a lot of people (military AND civilian [goes with the territory]), based on intel that turned out to be, in their own words, 'dead wrong'
oops!
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While my heart is in Jonny's camp on this one, my head can't ignore the fact that there were a fair number of errant munitions that tore a few heads off when we were all full of "shock and awe" and just as we don't have to forget Danny Pearl's atrocity, there's probably a few raqi's that don't have to forget the errant laser guided missiles that took their's either.
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The Palestinian gunmen holed up in the Church of the Nativity seized church stockpiles of food and "ate like greedy monsters" until the food ran out, while more than 150 civilians went hungry. They also guzzled beer, wine, and Johnnie Walker scotch that they found in priests' quarters, undeterred by the Islamic ban on drinking alcohol. The indulgence lasted for about two weeks into the 39-day siege, when the food and drink ran out, according to an account by four Greek Orthodox priests who were trapped inside for the entire ordeal....
The Orthodox priests and a number of civilians have said the gunmen created a regime of fear.
Even in the Roman Catholic areas of the complex there was evidence of disregard for religious norms. Catholic priests said that some Bibles were torn up for toilet paper, and many valuable sacramental objects were removed. "Palestinians took candelabra, icons and anything that looked like gold," said a Franciscan, the Rev. Nicholas Marquez from Mexico.
What? No outrage?
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« Reply #18 on: May 17th, 2005, 4:38pm » |
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yup that's outrageous too!
who is holding them accountable?
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The Massad did.
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on May 17th, 2005, 4:46pm, maffumatt wrote:
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on May 17th, 2005, 3:54pm, seasonalboomer wrote:
While my heart is in Jonny's camp on this one, my head can't ignore the fact that there were a fair number of errant munitions that tore a few heads off when we were all full of "shock and awe" and just as we don't have to forget Danny Pearl's atrocity, there's probably a few raqi's that don't have to forget the errant laser guided missiles that took their's either.
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Just read your own post, twit. There is a huge difference between errant missiles and intentionally hacking a guy's bean off with a freaking machete.
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« Reply #22 on: May 17th, 2005, 4:56pm » |
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It seems to me that no other country on this planet takes into consideration the civillians as much as we do when we bomb, but hey......its called WAR....right?
BTW..."desert storm" never ended, it was a cease fire.
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Errant missles hell, what happened to the good ol B52 carpet bombings of yesterday? It was good enough for the Germans and the Japanese. Are the Iraqis better? A good ol 750 lb bomb costs less than a 2 thousand dollars, a smart bomb costs a million. Just think of the saveings we could have had.War is hell and people die. If you gona do something, do it right.
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« Reply #24 on: May 17th, 2005, 5:20pm » |
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not a peace-nik.
I thought we did a hell of a job in Afghanistan...
Shock and awe were appropriate.
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