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What say you....
« on: Apr 28th, 2005, 6:55pm » |
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Let me first state that this post has nothing to do with gays for me, its more of "what are your rights" as a parent.....this could easily be about teaching you kid anything (but religion we all know that is the greatest taboo  )
What say you on this article?
http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=80601
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It's his right as a parent to request his son not be included in the discussions. This is a free country is it not If it had been religion or politics that someone found offensive the school would have agreed. I dont particularly agree with the guy but I disagree with our educational system most of the time. I am just damn glad my daughter is out of the local school system. Almost had to file a federal lawsuit on them, called the ACLU (that stands for usless fuckers), they refused to touch it in a small school, then turned around and filed the same suit for someone else in a bigger school system 25 miles away (the endless search for press coverage, not truth or justice)
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Re: What say you....
« Reply #2 on: Apr 28th, 2005, 7:17pm » |
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Dad sounds like my neighbor who thinks "fags" are out to reshape the world. You have to wonder about guys who spend so much time on this......
It's more dangerous shielding kids from the real world than not. Kids don't pay attention to crap they are forced to read in school anyway. Dad should handle it at home if he's so worried. Silly.
Too much time is wasted on this crap. I remember when papers and tv had real news. This ain't it.
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I think that people that stage sit-ins at school should be arrested, whether they are protesting the bombing of innocent children, or the spread of tolerance in textbooks.
When my daughter transferred from a good public school in one state to a crappy one in another, she brought home the exact same textbooks that she had used the year before. The principal tried telling us that it was impossible that a second grader could have used the same textbooks that are used in their 3rd grade class. We pulled our girl out of that school and she was in private school for the rest of her K-12 experience. And I never got arrested for disorderly conduct on school grounds.
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Re: What say you....
« Reply #4 on: Apr 28th, 2005, 7:26pm » |
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So Flo,
Since you were wealthy enough to put your kid in private schooling we should spit on this guy?
He dont want his kid taught this....aint that enough?
BTW...the guy never rasied his voice to anyone.
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Re: What say you....
« Reply #5 on: Apr 28th, 2005, 7:51pm » |
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Interesting point. He should have a "right" to not let his child hear what he believes is wrong. Is it o.k. to protest the word GOD in schools, but not o.k. to protest the word gay. It's what he believes.... just as what others don't believe.
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I don't consider myself wealthy - what we did involved financial sacrifice. It was a question of priorities. We still drive a 1991 economy car - it ain't sexy and doesn't exude power like the new models, but its paid for and the mechanic keeps it running. I could go on, but why bore you?
Public schools are there, they sometimes do a good job, sometimes not. Is everyone entitled to a customized public education ??
Maybe the guy didn't raise his voice, but he refused to leave. Details in the article are sparse, but I would bet he refused repeated requests to leave, and was warned that the police or security would be called. Even if the school officials didn't address his concerns the way he thought they should, he had other options - the school board, parent organizations, lawsuits. You said it wasn't about the gays ... and I agree. I see it as an issue of how he threw an impromptu sit-in when he didn't like what the system was doing. And the results were predictable.
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Re: What say you....
« Reply #7 on: Apr 28th, 2005, 7:58pm » |
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Jonny I have to agree for me its not a gay thing but if someone feels there is questionable material being taught even religion, if one has to be removed all has to . lets burn the bibles and huck finn 1984 and all the rest. but dont outlaw one then say the others are ok. lets be equal for all not just the anti christians.
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Re: What say you....
« Reply #8 on: Apr 28th, 2005, 8:16pm » |
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on Apr 28th, 2005, 7:57pm, floridian wrote:| Details in the article are sparse, but I would bet he refused repeated requests to leave, and was warned that the police or security would be called. |
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Yes, they were sparse.....but take into consideration the months of emails with the principle and when the school board had their say they ended the meeting.....One sided meetings suck if you cant or dont get your side across.
Fuck your car Flo.....you didnt like what your school was doing...why bust on this dude?...you have been there, no?
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on Apr 28th, 2005, 7:51pm, BlueMeanie wrote:| Interesting point. He should have a "right" to not let his child hear what he believes is wrong. Is it o.k. to protest the word GOD in schools, but not o.k. to protest the word gay. It's what he believes.... just as what others don't believe. |
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The issue isn't about the right to protest - its about how the protest occurs. The father in the article wouldn't have been arrested if he wrote letters to the editor, organized a committee against the policy or filed a lawsuit.
This is similar to the gun issue. Some groups want 'gun education' that affirms the value of hunting and praises the institution of gun ownership. Others want 'gun education' that characterizes guns as dangerous and immoral. I personally think that the gun issue should only be dealt with in schools from a safety issue - teach kids not to pick them up and point them at themselves or others. Parents who are gun owners can deal with it as they like away from school as can the anti-gun parents.
Protecting kids from any mention of guns or gays is not honest or realistic. It is a fact that there are guns in the world, and that some families are not the classic Leave-it-to-Beaver style. Teaching kids that other kids should not be beaten to a pulp because they have two daddies is different from promoting the gay agenda, and is something that the schools should do.
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on Apr 28th, 2005, 8:16pm, Jonny wrote:
Yes, they were sparse.....but take into consideration the months of emails with the principle and when the school board had their say they ended the meeting.....One sided meetings suck if you cant or dont get your side across.
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What months of email?? You asked us what we thought of an article, and the article doesn't mention that. If there were months and months of emails, then I think the article sucks!
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Damn, the kid was 6 for gods sake. That principle should step down in my opinion. My daughters 6 and she enjoys coloring, puzzles, math, and reading and most importantly recess.
That should at best be a junior high discussion not early elementary. My daughter still has trouble spelling words that have same sound letters ie; school "skule"
Fuck him, I would of left in cuffs, he would of left in an ambulance.
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Re: What say you....
« Reply #12 on: Apr 28th, 2005, 8:27pm » |
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as can the straight parents and gay parents and christian and non christian parents why teach gay and not god?
on Apr 28th, 2005, 8:21pm, floridian wrote:
The issue isn't about the right to protest - its about how the protest occurs. The father in the article wouldn't have been arrested if he wrote letters to the editor, organized a committee against the policy or filed a lawsuit.
This is similar to the gun issue. Some groups want 'gun education' that affirms the value of hunting and praises the institution of gun ownership. Others want 'gun education' that characterizes guns as dangerous and immoral. I personally think that the gun issue should only be dealt with in schools from a safety issue - teach kids not to pick them up and point them at themselves or others. Parents who are gun owners can deal with it as they like away from school as can the anti-gun parents.
Protecting kids from any mention of guns or gays is not honest or realistic. It is a fact that there are guns in the world, and that some families are not the classic Leave-it-to-Beaver style. Teaching kids that other kids should not be beaten to a pulp because they have two daddies is different from promoting the gay agenda, and is something that the schools should do.
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Why not teach math 
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Re: What say you....
« Reply #14 on: Apr 28th, 2005, 8:28pm » |
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on Apr 28th, 2005, 8:21pm, floridian wrote:| The issue isn't about the right to protest - its about how the protest occurs. The father in the article wouldn't have been arrested if he wrote letters to the editor, organized a committee against the policy or filed a lawsuit. |
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Theres were you are wrong....the dude emailed for months and then showed up to a meeting to hear the schools side (that he was invited to)....when he started to speak they said "Your out of luck" and ended the meeting. when he said he was not done talking they called the cops.
Thats what that shit is.....Christ......imagine that you, Flo.....heaven forbid!
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They call it "selective hearing" bro
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Re: What say you....
« Reply #16 on: Apr 28th, 2005, 8:38pm » |
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I agree with those that said this man, apparently, did not handle the situation properly. Not knowing all the details, that is what I read into it. If, in fact, as Jonny says, the man was not listened to, or he had already tried all his avenues, except a law suit, then maybe he was justified in what he did. Too little information.
As fas the gay information, I am glad to see that SOME schools are putting out the information that gays are out there. I hope that it will allow a more tolerant treatment of gay/lesbian people. But, if a parent does not accept gay/lesbians, then they have the right to teach what they believe to their children. To refuse the schools to mention anything about gay/lesbian people, is refusing to accept that there are gays and lesbians out there. It is like refusing to let the schools even MENTION meat for food, if the parents are vegetarians. Let the children know that there are people like that out there.
Should I, also, duck now?
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Re: What say you....
« Reply #17 on: Apr 28th, 2005, 8:39pm » |
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on Apr 28th, 2005, 8:25pm, Sean_C wrote:Damn, the kid was 6 for gods sake. That principle should step down in my opinion. My daughters 6 and she enjoys coloring, puzzles, math, and reading and most importantly recess.
That should at best be a junior high discussion not early elementary. My daughter still has trouble spelling words that have same sound letters ie; school "skule"
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sean I am and I am sure a few others agree with this statement you made and more over the issue that the school can do what ever it wants and have parents arrested for trying to get it resolved is totally absurd! They and the courts bow to the anti christians but ignore anyone with a stable belief. I am sure, only because I do have gay friends that I showed this to that the issue here is the school trying to impose there beliefs on others and think there is no consiquences. The parent arrested should not only now file suit against the district but directly against the administrators involved. also the school needs to have the material in question go before the board with the parents in attendance for a vote as to wether or not it is appropriate for the grade level this is being taught to. put them in a position of losing there seats on the board if they vote in a manner differing from what the people who voted for them deems approperiate.
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on Apr 28th, 2005, 8:31pm, Sean_C wrote:| They call it "selective hearing" bro |
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Jonny and Sean_C: there's no fucking mention of months of email in the article. All it says is that they guy goes into the principals office, didn't get what he wanted, wouldn't leave. It ain't selective hearing on my side - maybe selective imagination on your part, or faulting me for not being clarivoyant. Maybe Jonny knows more because he lives in Boston, but he seems slow to share (And I dunno if I trust him on these issues ) .
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Lexington school calls cops on dad irate over gay book
By Laura Crimaldi
Thursday, April 28, 2005 - Updated: 02:39 AM EST
Police arrested a Lexington father who refused to leave the Joseph Estabrook School yesterday after school officials rejected his demands that his 6-year-old son be shielded from any discussions about gay households.
David Parker, 42, confronted officials after his son brought home ``Who's in a Family,'' a storybook that includes characters who are gay parents.
Yesterday, Parker refused to leave a meeting after Lexington Superintendent Bill Hurley rejected his demand that he be notified when his son is exposed to any discussion about same-sex households as part of classroom instruction.
``Our parental requests for our own child were flat-out denied,'' Parker said in a statement.
Parker also asked that the boy be pulled from similar discussions that arise spontaneously, said Brian Camenker, director of the Article 8 Alliance, which supports the ouster of four pro-gay marriage judges on the state's Supreme Judicial Court.
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I'm not gay bashing here, I am 100% lesbian for sure don't get me wrong. I have gay friends, family, clusterbuds etc etc etc.
However, this is 1st grade where talking about here. Not junior high. My child would be confused if this was discussed anyway. Why shouldn't she be, she's six. If my child asks me about it I would gladly explain it, and I'm sure it will happen. But as for the issue, no don't teach my child about same sex parents NOW, later is just fine with me.
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Re: What say you....
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on Apr 28th, 2005, 8:50pm, floridian wrote:| Jonny and Sean_C: there's no fucking mention of months of email in the article. |
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Thats fucking called "learning more info as it comes through"
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LMMFAO Flo, I love fucking with you 
I'm confused, is this a discussion of what to teach my six year old, or about the way the school and this individual handle the issue?
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Re: What say you....
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Im going to ask this and then im hitting the sack.
WHY should a six year old know about homosexuality.....someone PLEASE tell me the answer to that.
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Re: What say you....
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My question would be, replace the gay in this "conversation"with God. How many people would howl then. I am not for keeping either out of the school system, but you don't subject a 6 year old to either. His parents have the choice at that time.
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on Apr 28th, 2005, 8:57pm, Sean_C wrote:
However, this is 1st grade where talking about here. Not junior high. ...
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Right, and kids don't get called 'fag' while their face is being pushed into the ground until junior high. The brutality and harrassment magically doesn't start until middle school.
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lets be equal for all not just the anti christians.
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My question would be, replace the gay in this "conversation"with God. How many people would howl then. I am not for keeping either out of the school system, but you don't subject a 6 year old to either
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God is mentioned. When I read about Martin Luther, Martin Luther King, and Ghandi, God and religion were mentioned. When I read biographies of Presidents Lincoln and Harrison, God was mentioned. Religious ideas were presented so people could learn what each group believes. But particular ideas about God were not endorsed. Particular doctrines were not promoted. Mentioning God is done all the time in a neutral way - not a problem.
When we pulled my daughter out of the public school, she went to a school run by a main-line Protestant denomination. We were fine with the curriculum, which included chapel. And then two of the parents (who was a fundamentalist) started raising a ruckus that our children were being opened up to Satan via hypnosis and occult practices (when the kids were asked to close their eyes and pretend). So the administrators and the parents association told those 2 parents that if they didn't like it, they could withdraw their child and send her elsewhere.
The public schools are not anti-Christian, they are secular. They try to maintain an atmosphere that respects basic human values without promoting any doctrine. The idea that people should not kill each other or steal is not a Christian invention.
You can't "introduce God" into public schools the way that most evangelical zealots want without turning the schools into a battle ground between Catholics, Baptists, Pentecostals, Lutherans, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Presbyterians and all the other groups with conflicting doctrines. If you did open things up, then one denomination would win in each school, and we would have socialized religion, government promoting religion. Sounds like a great idea.
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